Did they really do it?

[AndeyHall]

I guess maybe I just have seen too many conspiracy movies and watched too many "who really killed Kennedy?" documentaries. But everything I have seen on the news linking those 2 guys to any of the crimes committed since Monday seems nothing but circumstantial. It seems to me that their backgrounds and actions over the past years just made them 2 easy individuals to frame for something the government may have had some agenda in. And just playing the devil's advocate here, but how convenient would it be when the one who they're claiming to be the mastermind behind the whole thing was killed before he could be taken into custody? I don't know....I just trust our gov't way too little to take this information without a handful of salt.

 

[S&W645]

I guess maybe I just have seen too many conspiracy movies and watched too many "who really killed Kennedy?" documentaries. But everything I have seen on the news linking those 2 guys to any of the crimes committed since Monday seems nothing but circumstantial. It seems to me that their backgrounds and actions over the past years just made them 2 easy individuals to frame for something the government may have had some agenda in. And just playing the devil's advocate here, but how convenient would it be when the one who they're claiming to be the mastermind behind the whole thing was killed before he could be taken into custody? I don't know....I just trust our gov't way too little to take this information without a handful of salt.

That is the only reason I'm glad they got the second one alive. Interrogate, trial, death penalty verdict, hang him.

 

[chiroman]

Give me a break. First it was September 11th now it's the Boston tragedy. THE GOVT IS NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE for these acts. It's real helpful to have these ridiculous " theories" out there, let alone on a gun forum. Especially in today's climate. It makes us all look unbalanced and only makes it harder for the well balanced members of our community to fight off the negative press.

 

[BluesStringer]

I heard Rudy Giuliani say this morning in an interview that the man who's SUV they car-jacked (with him still in it) reported that they spontaneously identified themselves to him as the guys who bombed the marathon. Giuliani went on to say that the guy's testimony relating that spontaneous confession is identical to a confession to the cops or prosecutors in the eyes of the law. Giuliani spent many years as a US Attorney and had an incredibly high conviction rate. I think he knows the law in this regard. In other words, they've already got these guys dead to rights.

That said, I'm wondering what kind of pressure is being put on that car-jacked man not to talk to the media, because I haven't heard a word from him. The case hasn't gotten anywhere near a courthouse yet, so no gag-orders could be preventing him from telling his story, though I fully expect a gag-order to be one of the first orders of business when the court proceedings do start. We also haven't seen the people who live at the house where the jihadist was hiding in the boat that I'm aware of.

I don't think anything points to a conspiracy that I can discern, but there are at least two people right there that will play moderate to major roles in the jihadist's trial, and I am kind of surprised that they're so deep in the shadows already.

I don't know.....I'm not resistant to conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, but they have to have some credible evidence before I'll put any real stock in them. Like maybe a forged birth certificate, or a dummied-up Selective Service card, or a million-dollar package of secrets containing the details of one's life since....well....whenever their real birth certificate was issued. Put all those things together pertaining to one person, and I think that dismissing the possibility that there's a conspiracy afoot would necessarily put one in a category of not being trustworthy to discern facts from fiction.

Then again, I reject all the conspiracy theories about "controlled explosions" and "inside job" BS surrounding 9/11. Not because I'm resistant to conspiracy theories, but because I have extensive experience in disciplines having to do with construction that I can scrutinize the "evidence" (such as it is) and make conclusions based on first-hand experience, and the theories don't hold up to the reality of how buildings are either built or demolished.

As for the Boston Bombings, how about we wait for evidence to emerge of a conspiracy before we create one out of thin air, huh? There is no one on this site who distrusts government more than I, but sometimes evil people just show up at a large event and do evil things. As far as any evidence that I've heard about, there is no reason to believe at this point that the bombings were anything other than "just" that.

Blues

 

[Kalamity023]

Give me a break. First it was September 11th now it's the Boston tragedy. THE GOVT IS NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE for these acts. It's real helpful to have these ridiculous " theories" out there, let alone on a gun forum. Especially in today's climate. It makes us all look unbalanced and only makes it harder for the well balanced members of our community to fight off the negative press.

Just curious as to how questioning things and seeking out the truth is unbalanced? A blind faith in the honesty of the government is foolish. The vagaries of Benghazi and operation Fast and Furious are prime examples of why the citizenry shouldn't trust the government. If the media won't question and press for answers it's the citizenry's duty to.

 

[AndeyHall]

Give me a break. First it was September 11th now it's the Boston tragedy. THE GOVT IS NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE for these acts. It's real helpful to have these ridiculous " theories" out there, let alone on a gun forum. Especially in today's climate. It makes us all look unbalanced and only makes it harder for the well balanced members of our community to fight off the negative press.

Yeah cause we all know Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone
But I never said it is a conspiracy. I'm simply playing the devil's advocate here. I mean the entire country is extremely emotional right now over this bombing and we're looking for anybody who looks the least bit guilty to punish for it. It helps to take a step back and look at all the facts. I did that today and to me it all looks very circumstantial. And just because of everything that happened in Watertown doesn't mean they are responsible for the marathon bombing. I mean like Blues said, they have the "confession" from the car jacking victim, but I almost find that to be a little too convenient. I mean we got ourselves a nice, neat little confession at the most arbitrary time just to wipe out any doubt anyone had that these were the guys. Yeah...I'm convinced. I mean just think for a second if it actually were a conspiracy. How hard would it have been to pay off anybody to say "yeah I'm the guy they stole the car from. They told me to get out of the car cause they were taking it and 'oh by the way, if anybody asks we're the marathon bombers'"

 

[AndeyHall]

Listen, this is all I'm trying to say. As soon as I see actual PROOF that these guys did what they did, I'll be the first one pushing for the noose. But until then, I don't trust a single word that comes out of our government's mouth. I have President Johnson, Nixon, and the CIA to thank for that. Then Obama was just the icing on the cake. The fact that all these national tragedies are happening on his watch just happens to be raising a couple red flags for me now.

 

[BUmmedic]

If this was planned and perpetrated by the government, there only one thing that I can't figure out (not that I'm a scholar of foreign relations or keep up completely with it these days)... why pin this on two young guys who hail from Chechnya? I understand they've been in country for a while, and thus could open the doors more to questions of domestic, home-grown terrorism, but hell, I was waiting for a photo of some white, Christian, USA Carry pin-wearing, NRA member sitting amongst his gun collection. I don't see the strategic motive behind this if it were an inside-job. The facts actually make it seem disadvantageous for the current administration: people are already calling for stricter immigration reform, an investigation into the FBI's role (since they interviewed the older bomber two years ago), etc. Things that would seem to go against the current wave.

 

[BUmmedic]

Then again... we (Boy King) did come out and thank Putin for his "assistance" during the Boston bombing events and investigation, but won't say how he aided in this whole situation. There is the question of the comment regarding more flexibility to deal with the Russians after the election (show of hands, how many thought that would turn out the way it did?), and the thought that, boy, the Russians and the Chechnyans don't exactly play nicely together in the sandbox. Uh oh, better get out that tin-foil hat.

 

[Koolbota]

There is a conspiracy, a grand one.

None of you ask yourselves why all the E Block immigrants? Why all the muzzies? Why all the beaners? Why open borders?

Whitey is having his land taken from him, you have already been destroyed, you just haven't faced that fact yet.

 

[dad45acp]

There is a conspiracy, a grand one.

None of you ask yourselves why all the E Block immigrants? Why all the muzzies? Why all the beaners? Why open borders?

Whitey is having his land taken from him, you have already been destroyed, you just haven't faced that fact yet.

Troll.

15 characters.

 

[dad45acp]

I heard Rudy Giuliani say this morning in an interview that the man who's SUV they car-jacked (with him still in it) reported that they spontaneously identified themselves to him as the guys who bombed the marathon. Giuliani went on to say that the guy's testimony relating that spontaneous confession is identical to a confession to the cops or prosecutors in the eyes of the law. Giuliani spent many years as a US Attorney and had an incredibly high conviction rate. I think he knows the law in this regard. In other words, they've already got these guys dead to rights.

That said, I'm wondering what kind of pressure is being put on that car-jacked man not to talk to the media, because I haven't heard a word from him. The case hasn't gotten anywhere near a courthouse yet, so no gag-orders could be preventing him from telling his story, though I fully expect a gag-order to be one of the first orders of business when the court proceedings do start. We also haven't seen the people who live at the house where the jihadist was hiding in the boat that I'm aware of.

I don't think anything points to a conspiracy that I can discern, but there are at least two people right there that will play moderate to major roles in the jihadist's trial, and I am kind of surprised that they're so deep in the shadows already.

I don't know.....I'm not resistant to conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, but they have to have some credible evidence before I'll put any real stock in them. Like maybe a forged birth certificate, or a dummied-up Selective Service card, or a million-dollar package of secrets containing the details of one's life since....well....whenever their real birth certificate was issued. Put all those things together pertaining to one person, and I think that dismissing the possibility that there's a conspiracy afoot would necessarily put one in a category of not being trustworthy to discern facts from fiction.

Then again, I reject all the conspiracy theories about "controlled explosions" and "inside job" BS surrounding 9/11. Not because I'm resistant to conspiracy theories, but because I have extensive experience in disciplines having to do with construction that I can scrutinize the "evidence" (such as it is) and make conclusions based on first-hand experience, and the theories don't hold up to the reality of how buildings are either built or demolished.

As for the Boston Bombings, how about we wait for evidence to emerge of a conspiracy before we create one out of thin air, huh? There is no one on this site who distrusts government more than I, but sometimes evil people just show up at a large event and do evil things. As far as any evidence that I've heard about, there is no reason to believe at this point that the bombings were anything other than "just" that.

Blues

Well put...agreed.

 

[Koolbota]

Troll.

15 characters.

How about you study history?

I don't bother with long explanations because most of you (you in particular) are not educated enough to understand.

Take a look at the last 60-70 years, E Block immigrants came here with their maxism, they were already indoctrinated. The became educators and politicians. Where do you think Obama and Ayers and Jerret and Vann Jones and the like got their ideology from?

Have you studied the Woman's Labor Movement and where it originated from? Woman's Suffrage? Margret Sanger? Communism in FDR's administration? McCarthy? JFK?
Have you studied anything? Cold War? Anything?


You are not very smart.

 

[dad45acp]

Troll.

15 characters.

How about you study history?

I don't bother with long explanations because most of you (you in particular) are not educated enough to understand.

Take a look at the last 60-70 years, E Block immigrants came here with their maxism, they were already indoctrinated. The became educators and politicians. Where do you think Obama and Ayers and Jerret and Vann Jones and the like got their ideology from?

Have you studied the Woman's Labor Movement and where it originated from? Woman's Suffrage? Margret Sanger?
Have you studied anything? Cold War? Anything?


You are not very smart.

Have fun playing on the internet. You seem to be having fun.

 

[Koolbota]

Have fun playing on the internet. You seem to be having fun.

Of course, and you respond to nothing I mentioned, as expected.

 

[Koolbota]

We Will Defeat You Without Firing A Shot


It was October of 1960 when Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev visited the United Nations. On October 16, 1960, he addressed the UN prior to his departure and return to the Soviet Union. In closing his speech that day, he made the famous proclamation that the US would be defeated without a shot being fired.
What did he mean by that? Did he believe that the Soviet Union would figure out how to take over the United States without a shooting war taking place? Of course not. What he spoke of was the idealism of the Soviet Union. Is it any wonder that American hero Joseph McCarthy was an integral part in rooting out the communists that had infiltrated our government at about the same time? In fact, I am certain that Khrushchev’s bold assertiveness, at the UN that day, was a result of the actions taken by the Senate in regards to Joseph McCarthy’s campaign to root out communists within our own Federal Government. Say what you will about Joseph McCarthy but in my book, he was a true American Hero.
In my attempt to trace the lines of the past to illustrate where we are today, I will be making small posts with basic facts and general opinions (most of which are my own). In some instances I will jump forward in history several years and in others I will revert back into history for several years. As I write, it will allow the reader to begin researching the times, in regards to the state of world affairs at that specific time period, and draw from that research his or her own conclusions. But I think that if we observe and understand those periods of time for what they were and realize how they affected where we are today, we will all come up with very similar conclusions as to what role each event played in the progression of where we are today.
That’s all for now. I look forward to your input.



http://ddlew.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/we-will-defeat-you-without-firing-a-shot/

 

[dad45acp]

Have fun playing on the internet. You seem to be having fun.

Of course, and you respond to nothing I mentioned, as expected.

Because you're a troll. Your never back up your baseless comments. You can theorize all you want however. You could be a rhodes scholar for all I care. But I doubt it....nobody knows what the hell you're talking about with your 1-2 liners. But keep on studying...gotta stay one up on the internet forums.

 

[Koolbota]

[h=2]March 20, 2012[/h][h=3]Eric Holder In 1995 On How To Execute The Communist Plan For America[/h]In 1960 Nikita Kruschev predicted that Communism would take over America without a shot being fired. For over 50 years we have wondered if this was just the bluster of an old guard communist or a glimpse of a real strategy. Looking back it is hard to prove a plan of action, but the results are undeniable.As a boy the most important thing we were taught about Communism was that it depended upon a Godless society in order to take root. The other thing we were taught was that Communism was repressive, that is, though it might get a toehold if the people are not constantly vigilant, once it was established people were ultimately forced into it, and forced to remain under Communist control.To our young minds that could never happen in America. But look now and see for yourself.Here is an older video of our now Attorney General Eric Holder, talking about how to brainwash a young generation into giving up their guns. In other-words, how to take over without firing a shot.


Eric Holder In 1995 On How To Execute The Communist Plan For America - BluegrassBulletin.com

 

[dad45acp]

We Will Defeat You Without Firing A Shot


It was October of 1960 when Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev visited the United Nations. On October 16, 1960, he addressed the UN prior to his departure and return to the Soviet Union. In closing his speech that day, he made the famous proclamation that the US would be defeated without a shot being fired.
What did he mean by that? Did he believe that the Soviet Union would figure out how to take over the United States without a shooting war taking place? Of course not. What he spoke of was the idealism of the Soviet Union. Is it any wonder that American hero Joseph McCarthy was an integral part in rooting out the communists that had infiltrated our government at about the same time? In fact, I am certain that Khrushchev’s bold assertiveness, at the UN that day, was a result of the actions taken by the Senate in regards to Joseph McCarthy’s campaign to root out communists within our own Federal Government. Say what you will about Joseph McCarthy but in my book, he was a true American Hero.
In my attempt to trace the lines of the past to illustrate where we are today, I will be making small posts with basic facts and general opinions (most of which are my own). In some instances I will jump forward in history several years and in others I will revert back into history for several years. As I write, it will allow the reader to begin researching the times, in regards to the state of world affairs at that specific time period, and draw from that research his or her own conclusions. But I think that if we observe and understand those periods of time for what they were and realize how they affected where we are today, we will all come up with very similar conclusions as to what role each event played in the progression of where we are today.
That’s all for now. I look forward to your input.



http://ddlew.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/we-will-defeat-you-without-firing-a-shot/

McCarthy wasn't a hero. You didn't study....

 

[Koolbota]

Art of Facts: We will take America without firing a shot - Khrushchev