DHS To Purchase Another 750 Million Rounds Of Ammo

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Second massive ammunition buy this year fuels fears of civil unrest
Paul Joseph Watson
PRison Planet.com
Monday, August 13, 2012
 
gotta be a reason why they are buying up arms and ammo like they are? and even arms manufacturing businesses? guess we need to make our own or buy from locals that do make their own? i don't know haven't given this issue much thought and wondered what your thoughts were thanks
 
What is shown is the max... honestly, this means nothing.

the max? there should be no need for a max when they stated that the minimum would be 1,000 rnds and that is what the unit price should be based... im not saying your wrong, but just is wierd.

after reading the article i was uneasy sitting in my chair... after listening to the computer geek in the video i had settled some but even he brought up new questions. Money? Will the Gov't kick out I.O.U's to companies?

i hope this article does not create some sort of Hysteria amongst the "wackos" in our country. I will admitt that I am even quite perplexed... mainly because i second the notion that "JHP is not target ammo" ~craigguinn
 
i hope this article does not create some sort of Hysteria amongst the "wackos" in our country. I will admitt that I am even quite perplexed... mainly because i second the notion that "JHP is not target ammo" ~craigguinn[/QUOTE]

I think articles like this spawn hysteria among the doomsdayers... You can buy all the ammo you want but you have to have the people to use it. The Southern troops were superior through accuracy but attrition weighed heavy on them as they had a limited resources to pull from and the North greatly outnumbered them. The Japanese and the Germans found out the same way... Tough to provide trained individuals to keep fighting when you have no reserve to pull from. Your best guys will eventually go down in a prolonged fight and you can ill afford to lose them. Do you honestly think that the US Gov't could put enough people afield to quell any revolt or mass unrest and suffer any level of attrition? They have a hard enough time finding qualified people to put in the field now. It would take everything the Gov't has and then some. Just look what is happening in Syria. It all isn't as pretty as the Assad would like it to be nor as easy as he thought it would be to put it down. Khadafi found out the same way....

Let them buy all the ammo they want.... You do have to store it somewhere and somebody will know where that is and others will come to get it if they need it...... All comes down to logistics.....

I was told by a Navy friend of mine you always knew when it was going to hit the fan because they start making more bodybags..... Wonder if the DHS has ordered any of those??????
 
Anybody think this may be a way to reduce supply, raise demand... and inflate the prices? That's one way to make it harder for us regular folk to get what we need. And, JHP isn't for training... that's for sure. The gov't knows there's something coming... well, some of them do at least. They may not know exactly what, or when... but they know it's coming. And, it aint gonna be pretty.
 
Wow, did anyone actually look at the solicitation document?

Right up front, it's for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. I think that would explain the amounts and the wide variety of ammo types.

You may return your tinfoil hats to the upright and locked position.
 
Wow, did anyone actually look at the solicitation document?

Right up front, it's for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. I think that would explain the amounts and the wide variety of ammo types.

You may return your tinfoil hats to the upright and locked position.

If you are done being an sad sad troll and want to use your head for something other than as a bowling ball, do you realize how big the number of 750 million really is?

And that is on top of 450 million rounds already ordered.

That is 1.2 trillion bullets. If the article is true it CANNOT be justified in any way shape or form. If you pulled the trigger once a second it would take you 38 years to go through that stockpile. Either the article is wrong our that is 4 bullets for every man woman and chIld in the US.

So you could either use your head to try to get that 8 10 split or you could do some of that thinkin that seems to evade you.

I myself hope this isn't true.

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Wow, did anyone actually look at the solicitation document?

Right up front, it's for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. I think that would explain the amounts and the wide variety of ammo types.

You may return your tinfoil hats to the upright and locked position.

Your first mistake would be trusting the government. They always tell the truth. Just ask Eric Holder.
 
Geez, people...read the document... it is an indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity order, and the quantities are MAX (read up to XXX), and it is for a period of 5...read FIVE years. Nowhere in the the order does it say they are buying that much ammo. TRUST ME!!! I know....
 
One last comment, for those of you that don't know. FLETC courses are 3 to 14 day courses (sometimes longer), and a minimum of 300-500 rds per day / per person x 12-18 people per class x 5 days (sometimes 6 days x week) times a year. Also, logic would say that they use JHPs because that is the type of ammo they carry everyday at work. Don't we all practice with the ammo we carry? SDProf is right on the money!!! From their website: The FLETC serves as an interagency law enforcement training organization for 91 Federal agencies. The FLETC also provides services to state, local, tribal, and international law enforcement agencies. The FLETC is headquartered at Glynco, Ga., near the port city of Brunswick, halfway between Savannah, Ga., and Jacksonville, Fla.

In addition to Glynco, the FLETC operates two other residential training sites in Artesia, N.M., and Charleston, S.C. The FLETC also operates a non-residential in-service re-qualification and advanced training facility in Cheltenham, Md., for use by agencies with large concentrations of personnel in the Washington, D.C., area.
 
a-delgado, do you really find it necessary for a federal law enforement agancy to stockpile over one billion rounds? I understand that they have to train just like everybody else... but why try to purchase such a large quantity now??? Are they planning on there being a shortage some time in the next decade??? Are the ammunition manufactores going out of business??? Is there a shortage of raw materials we don't know about??? If they were going to stockpile so many rounds for the domestic "war on terror", shouldn't they have done that a few years ago??? Are there some intelligence reports pointing towards a massive breach of American security coming??? Are the armys of the DHS increasing so drastically they're expecting shortages at the range??? This isn't the military we're talking about, that must have millions of rounds on-hand forever so we can go fight the next fabricated war... that, I understand. Not the DHS...

You believe what you want to... take everything the gov't does as harmless and with good intentions. But, mark my words... they know something is coming, and it's going to require a lot of ammo.
 
If you are done being an sad sad troll and want to use your head for something other than as a bowling ball, do you realize how big the number of 750 million really is?

And that is on top of 450 million rounds already ordered.

That is 1.2 trillion bullets. If the article is true it CANNOT be justified in any way shape or form. If you pulled the trigger once a second it would take you 38 years to go through that stockpile. Either the article is wrong our that is 4 bullets for every man woman and chIld in the US.

So you could either use your head to try to get that 8 10 split or you could do some of that thinkin that seems to evade you.

I myself hope this isn't true.

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the answer is 1.2 Billion, not Trillion.
 
Glynco is the headquarters facility for the FLETC. It is situated on 1,600 acres in southeast Georgia with modern conventional facilities such as classrooms, dormitories, and administrative and logistical support structures, including a dining hall capable of serving more than 4,000 meals per day. Additionally, Glynco has 18 firearms ranges, including a state-of-the-art indoor range complex with 146 separate firing points; and eight highly versatile semi-enclosed ranges with 200 additional firing points.

That's a lot of people the facility can handle, a lot of shooting could go on at one time, and the solicitation is for a FOUR YEAR period.

If you go out for a good day of shooting or a competition, how many rounds could you shoot if funds weren't an issue? I see many training courses of two or three day duration with ammo count of 500-800 rounds.

Just because the solicitation calls for 750M total, doesn't mean they'll actually buy that many. It's kind of like a reservation that they may opt out of.

Oh, and umm, Billion comes after million, not trillion.

So, warbirds, please to take a sauna, drink a beer, chill out. If you look around you'll find I'm farrrrrr from being any sort of troll. You, on the other hand, do seem to have a problem with the social skills, looking back at many of your posts.
 
yet if a civilian buys that kind of ammo even over two thousand rounds they are being watched so what's good for one should be good for another .......
 
That's a lot of people the facility can handle, a lot of shooting could go on at one time, and the solicitation is for a FOUR YEAR period.

If you go out for a good day of shooting or a competition, how many rounds could you shoot if funds weren't an issue? I see many training courses of two or three day duration with ammo count of 500-800 rounds.

Just because the solicitation calls for 750M total, doesn't mean they'll actually buy that many. It's kind of like a reservation that they may opt out of.

Oh, and umm, Billion comes after million, not trillion.

So, warbirds, please to take a sauna, drink a beer, chill out. If you look around you'll find I'm farrrrrr from being any sort of troll. You, on the other hand, do seem to have a problem with the social skills, looking back at many of your posts.

Is that all you get out of what I said. You are right I should have said billion instead of trillion, no more posting after midnight.

You are a troll because you can't think for yourself.

To shoot 1.2 billion rounds 100 people would need to shoot 3 million rounds each every year for 4 years.

Try drinking a little less beer. Try thinking a little more.

Unless you can come up with working solution where a training range can actually consume that much ammo the numbers don't add up.

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“The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC), Glynco, Georgia anticipates awarding multiple award indefinite delivery and indefinite quantity (IDIQ) firm fixed price (FFP) contracts for commercial leaded training ammunition (CLTA) of various calibers for law enforcement officer firearms training courses at the following FLETC facilities Glynco, GA, Artesia, NM, Cheltenham, MD and Charleston, SC and to other Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agencies. The Government guarantees a minimum of 1,000 rounds per year on each resultant contract. Contracts will be for a base year and four (4) 12 month option periods,” states the synopsis.




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Second massive ammunition buy this year fuels fears of civil unrest
Paul Joseph Watson
PRison Planet.com
Monday, August 13, 2012
From the NRA: Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Buy Ammunition
Posted on August 17, 2012
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You may recently have seen some in the Internet rumor mill feverishly repeating the obvious truth above, in an effort to stir up fear about recent acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies. The mildest writers have questioned why seemingly mundane agencies would need ammunition at all; more incendiary authors suggest that these government agencies are preparing for a war with the American people.

Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.

For instance, the Social Security Administration solicited offers for 174,000 rounds of pistol ammunition. But the agency has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud that costs tax payers Link Removed each year, so the order works out to roughly 590 rounds of ammunition per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. More than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.

Another recent rumor questioned a request for 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA inadvertently fueled that speculation through a clerical error that suggested the ammunition was destined for the National Weather Service. NOAA later clarified that the ammunition was actually for the little known Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer.

The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.

After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a Link Removed, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:

If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.

Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition.") The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition.

As most gun owners will agree, skepticism of government is healthy. But today, there are more than enough actual threats to the Second Amendment to keep gun owners busy. With two key Supreme Court decisions hanging by a one-vote margin, the Justice Department deeply involved in a cover-up of a disastrous Mexican gun smuggling operation, and President Obama touting a ban on popular semi-automatic firearms, there is no need to invent additional threats to our rights.
 

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