Deputies shoot & kill man in his own doorway

[gunnerbob]

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[whitefeather]

"Deputies Shoot and Kill Man in His Own Doorway After Failing to Identify Themselves as Police"


These deputies are in jeopardy based on the information provided.

 

[Shoobee]

Wrong house, wrong person, shot dead by law enforcement. Pure stupidity.

The Feds make this mistake occasionally as well. Not just the locals.

Not sure what anyone can do about it. Keep your doors locked? Install steel screen doors for ventillation, rather than leave your doors and windows opened?

It could just as easily have been a home invasion gang. Wait ... it was a home invasion gang ... just a legalized one.

 

[BC1]

This is trouble.

 

[MI .45]

From the article above... “The bottom line is if you point a gun at police officers or deputies you’re going to get shot.”

The subsequent bottom line should be... "If you make this kind of mistake; police officers, deputies, and the supervisors who are at fault should be prosecuted and looking for other work"!

The ground forces should be punished for non identification as LEO's and superiors for using unsubstantiated information for the place of the raid. No excuse, an innocent man died. There are some mistakes that simply can't be made. And... the LEO's involved should never be able to work in any type of law enforcement again... not pawned off on some other city or county department.

 

[kelcarry]

Wrong house, wrong person, shot dead by law enforcement. Pure stupidity.

The Feds make this mistake occasionally as well. Not just the locals.

Everyone knows that the Feds do not make mistakes anymore. With pieces of slimy garbage that include an attorney general and a resident in the whitehouse, anything goes. Ask the family of the dead Border Control Agent.

 

[Shoobee]

It sounds like the innocent civilian who pointed his handgun at the unidentified LEOs was not of the mindset to shoot, just point.

This is a common error by most people who have not been properly trained. They just point. They do not actually shoot.

But then again, anytime you are outnumbered in a gunfight you are going to get shot, and probably killed.

Face to face, you cannot beat being outnumbered. Particularly if you don't even try to get one shot off.

 

[echoawake]

Because they say he pointed his gun at LEO does not make it so. If someone comes pounding on my door at 1:30 AM and don't identify themselves, I to would be armed. Don't seem to be too much made of this so far. Al and Jessie must be busy. ;-)

 

[SR40c]

Events like this are why Indiana passed a law making it legal to protect yourself from the Police.

 

[Bozz]

YIKES! Bad news...

 

[Rick Benn]

This is indeed the most unfortunate of situations. In fairness to all parties:
1. Who whips open their front door at 0130 hrs. gun in hand without first yelling, "WHO'S OUT THERE? WHAT DO YOU WANT"
2. Perhaps the police should have "knocked-and-announced. As of right now, the only people who know for sure what happened are those who were there. So as in a few cases here in Florida lately, I always feel judgement should be withheld until ALL the facts are known and considered.

 

[BC1]

It sounds like the innocent civilian who pointed his handgun at the unidentified LEOs was not of the mindset to shoot, just point.

This is a common error by most people who have not bee properly trained. They just point. They do not actually shoot.

But then again, anytime you are outnumbered in a gunfight you are going to get shot, and probably killed.

Face to face, you cannot beat being outnumbered.

Reminds me of an interesting case in NYS a few years back. While many think the right to defense doesn't exist in NYS a quick fact check shows this to be untrue. In NY you can not be convicted with criminal criminal use of a firearm or attempted murder when using an illegal handgun within your own home for self-defense. A jury must consider defense of justification. Case in point... the Raymond Zayas case.

Zayas was a known troublemaker who was involved in a domestice altercation with his wife. LE arived and began kicking-in the door without announcing who they were. Zayas, while holding his one-year-old son, fired an unregisterede/unlicensed Glock through the door, hitting the LEO. The appeals court threw out his conviction saying that he may have had the right to shoot the LEO because he did not identify himself. Multiple witnesses testified to this. He eventually plead guilty to the charges for a reduced sentence rather than take his chances in another trial. The appelate court ruled that the judge err'd in failing to instruct the jury that they must consider defense of justification in this situation.

I think the FL case will be a problem for the police.

 

[MI .45]

This is indeed the most unfortunate of situations. In fairness to all parties:
1. Who whips open their front door at 0130 hrs. gun in hand without first yelling, "WHO'S OUT THERE? WHAT DO YOU WANT"
2. Perhaps the police should have "knocked-and-announced. As of right now, the only people who know for sure what happened are those who were there. So as in a few cases here in Florida lately, I always feel judgement should be withheld until ALL the facts are known and considered.

Statement #1 - would most homeowners call out if they suspect their home was being invaded? Maybe, maybe not. I personally don't know as I've never been in a situation such as that and don't know all of the facts in this one.
Statement #2 - to my knowledge there is no "perhaps" requiring the police to identify themselves.

With the above said, your statement concerning, ALL of the Facts is truly the most germane.

I definitely do not want to sound like I hate the police; most of them are doing a crappy job every day and certainly have the public's best interest at heart. I do believe that in a situation where there is the expectation of deadly force, (as there certainly was in this situation) dispatch and transportation is absolutely obligated to be sure that they are going to the correct address. There are way too many, "shoot first and answer questions later" ocurrences these days.

 

[The_Outlaw]

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These 'Keystone Cops' should lose their jobs at the very least i.m.h.o.