Defending your PETS????...

rock rat

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Here's a different question. In my home state of VA,could deadly force be used to defend my dog, or cat,from being killed or maimed by another animal? If my dog was attacked while out walking with me,and was leashed,could I lawfully shoot it? I do relize that there would have to be mitigating factors,like a bigger dog..etc,However,I was wondering about this. Any advice,even if from another state,would be appreciated.
 
Ive heard its a touchy subject, but however, if you feel in someway you could possibly be harmed by the loose animal. Heres some stuff that I had found. Hope it helps.
"[O]ne is 'privileged to destroy an animal for the purpose of defending himself or third persons against harm threatened by the animal, (a) if its actions led him to know or reasonably believe that the animal would inflict such harm and (b) the destruction was reasonable in view of the gravity of the harm threatened and (c) the person reasonably believed the harm could be prevented only by immediate destruction of the animal." (Devincenzi v. Faulkner (1959) 174 Cal.App.2d 250, 254-5.)

The law of self-defense permits aggression only for the purpose of meeting aggression. It does not permit revenge killing. "It is not the dog's predatory habits, nor his past transgressions, nor his reputation, however bad, but the doctrine of self-defense, whether of person or property, that gives the right to kill." (State v. Smith (1911) 156 N.C. 628, 72 S.E. 321.) There is no legal justification that will protect a person for killing or injuring a dog that bit him or her at a prior time, if the dog presented no threat at the time of the killing or injuring.

In California, people have a statutory right to kill dogs that attack certain listed animals, and a common-law right to defend their other domestic animals from attack under most circumstances. Other states have laws that are similar in nature; however, the list of animals might be different, so the laws have to be read carefully.

California provides a privilege to kill any animal that is worrying, wounding or killing certain other animals. California Civil Code section 3341, subdivision 2, states that any person can kill any animal (including a dog) that is off the premises of the owner and is worrying, wounding or killing certain listed animals:

3341, subd. 2. Any person on finding any dog or dogs, or other animal, not on the premises of the owner or possessor of such dog or dogs, or other animal, worrying, wounding, or killing any bovine animals, swine, horses, mules, burros, sheep, angora or cashmere goats, may, at the time of finding such dog or dogs, or other animal, kill the same, and the owner or owners thereof shall sustain no action for damages against any person so killing such dog or dogs, or other animal.
The section [Civil Code sec. 3341] was not intended to, nor does it, abridge the common law right of a person to defend his domestic animals against the attacks of dogs, or to kill such dogs when the circumstances warrant the belief that his property is in peril. At the common law the justification for the killing was complete when it appeared that the dog was engaged in worrying and terrifying domestic animals in their own lawful enclosure, and where the necessity of the killing in order to protect the property was apparent." (Sabin v. Smith (1915) 26 Cal.App. 676, 678-9.)

The right to kill a dog or other animal that is attacking a domestic animal is not affected by consideration of which animal is more valuable. "The right to kill a dog found trespassing and endangering property is not affected by the relative value of the dog and the property being injured." (Sabin v. Smith (1915) 26 Cal.App. 676, 680.)

In some states it is legal to kill a vicious dog that is running at large. For example, the law of Alaska makes it legal to kill a dog if (a) it "has ever bitten or attacked a human being" when "unprovoked", and (b) is running at large:

Sec. 03.55.010. Killing of vicious or mad dog authorized.
Any person may lawfully kill any vicious or mad dog running at large.
Sec. 03.55.020. Dogs deemed vicious.
Any dog which when unprovoked has ever bitten or attacked a human being is considered vicious within the meaning of AS 03.55.010.

Heres the site I got the info from. Hope it helps.
DOG BITE LAW - Legal Rights of Rescuers Who Incur Dog Bites
 
I would not shoot an attacking animal to defend my dog. I would shoot it to defend ME. Being in fear for MY safety should work in any state. It would be purely coincidental that my actions protected my dog. That's my story, officer, and I'm sticking to it :biggrin:
 
I vote for HardCorps53.

and Thanks for ITSTJS, I'm Californian and I didn't know I can kill other animal to defend mine.
But....
I don't know about VA, but if it's California, I don't think Discharging firearm wold be waived (justified) for saving domestic animal.

if I use stick, 2x4, rock, flower pod etc...to defend my dog (cat) , then other animal dead, It maybe no charge as itstjs's info.
but I think discharging firearm will be justified by only defend myself or other "human" not domestic animal or property (at least California)

So, you may not be charged for killing animal by defend yours.
But maybe charged for discharging firearm (other than legal hunting area, licensed shooting range).

I would say, "I try to save my dog (cat) but other animal turned to me. I had to discharge firearm and kill that animal to defend myself" to incident report.
 
I would not shoot an attacking animal to defend my dog. I would shoot it to defend ME. Being in fear for MY safety should work in any state. It would be purely coincidental that my actions protected my dog. That's my story, officer, and I'm sticking to it :biggrin:

My thoughts exactly.
 
Pets are not covered in oklahoma, they are considered personal property and not able to use deadly force to protect.
 
It is important, as stated in some replies, that the attacking animal was not only attacking your pet, BUT WAS, IN YOUR OPINION, INTENT ON ATTACKING YOU AND YOU HAD REASONABLE FEAR OF IMMINENT DANGER OF GREAT BODILY INJURY-- with those words, you have put sufficient commentary on the situation to allow your actions. No one can question the animal in question so it becomes a moot point unless there are many witnesses who clearly have a different opinion--but then again they were not the ones put in harms way by the offending animal and felt threatened. Certainly on your property away from any conflicting witnesses I would go back to my capitalized statement. As far as I am concerned, if an animal is intent on attacking my animal and I am nearby, he can easily turn on me and, again, I would stand firm on my capitalized statement; I would not watch my animal be mauled and not do EVERYTHING I could to eliminate the threat.
 
I would not shoot an attacking animal to defend my dog. I would shoot it to defend ME. Being in fear for MY safety should work in any state. It would be purely coincidental that my actions protected my dog. That's my story, officer, and I'm sticking to it :biggrin:

+1. First, I would put my boot in the a$$ or upside the head of the attacking critter. This would probably draw its attention to me, if it wasn't deterred by my action. Now, I am indeed in fear for my safety (assuming the attacking beast wasn't a chihuahua!).
 
Human vs Non-Human

Shooting a non-human animal that was attacking me, my family or my dogs: Yes

Shooting a human that was attacking me, my family: Yes

Shooting a human that was attacking my dogs: No
 
I would not shoot an attacking animal to defend my dog. I would shoot it to defend ME. Being in fear for MY safety should work in any state. It would be purely coincidental that my actions protected my dog. That's my story, officer, and I'm sticking to it :biggrin:
Vote ditto !! Thanks for your service ! God Bless .
 
In California, people have a statutory right to kill dogs that attack certain listed animals, and a common-law right to defend their other domestic animals from attack under most circumstances. Other states have laws that are similar in nature; however, the list of animals might be different, so the laws have to be read carefully.

California provides a privilege to kill any animal that is worrying, wounding or killing certain other animals. California Civil Code section 3341, subdivision 2, states that any person can kill any animal (including a dog) that is off the premises of the owner and is worrying, wounding or killing certain listed animals:

What are the people of CA supposed to do? Charge the violent animal with a knife? Use harsh language?
 
Shooting a non-human animal that was attacking me, my family or my dogs: Yes

Shooting a human that was attacking me, my family: Yes

Shooting a human that was attacking my dogs: Absolutely.

My dog is part of our family. My dog can not take care of herself. She depends on me. You attack my dog, you attack me. Be prepared for the consequences.
 
I agree!

I feel the same way about my animals, five dogs and a cat. They are family, mess with them, you mess with me! I would not hesitate to use any amount of force necessary to stop an attack on ANY member of my family, two OR four legged! Some of my best friends have four legs.
 
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