whodat2710
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Decent short article about .380
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wolf_fire
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The reason for most pocket guns is for a back up gun (BUG). When the back up gun becomes your primary carry, IMO it's due to mere convenience. I'd rather not trust my life to a .380 over a .40 or .45 due to convenience.
If truly I would not carry based upon this inconvenience, then yes, I would guess the .380 is the way to go.
However, I've always been an advocate of getting the best firearm for your purposes and then learn how to carry it well, rather than find a gun that is tiny and easy to carry and hopefully it will do what you want.
If truly I would not carry based upon this inconvenience, then yes, I would guess the .380 is the way to go.
However, I've always been an advocate of getting the best firearm for your purposes and then learn how to carry it well, rather than find a gun that is tiny and easy to carry and hopefully it will do what you want.
whodat2710
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You are completely missing the point. Did you actually read the article or did you just comment based on the title?
Burtboomer
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Interesting way to look at things.
whodat2710
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I thought so as well. I am pretty similar to the author, in that my LCP is ALWAYS with me, while my larger caliber guns may not be. and with a spare mag, I defy any attacker to withstand an initial 7 rounds of .380, with a back up 6 if needed. Oh, and I purposefully do not hang out where I might faced the 250lb guy on PCP, that's called situational awareness :laugh:
telpinaro
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Shoot whatever caliber you're good with! I'm not a fan of pocket guns because my pockets won't fit any gun of any size, so why carry something that small when I might as well carry something a bit larger? Sure, an LCP would be super easy to hide no matter what, but my M&P Shield is also really easy. I can't foresee a time when I'll pocket carry, since I don't see them changing the design of women's pants any time soon and I'm hardly going to wear men's, so the Shield is as small as I'm willing to go. I don't plan to actually carry while I'm at home... risk of invasion is really low where I am, so I just keep it in a small, fast-open safe near by.
I also plan to not be where there are any large people on PCP if at all possible!
I also plan to not be where there are any large people on PCP if at all possible!
whodat2710
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After the article (blog post) I linked above, the author submitted the following, including two interesting links for you caliber junkies.
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Thank you all for the warm welcome! I'd like to address a common theme I saw in the comments under my first article. I am guessing that as I predicted, a fair number of people didn't read the article but had a visceral response to the title alone and commented. To clarify, I own and carry .45acp as my primary weapon...when I am out of my home. If I am not wearing a belt then I have my LCP in my pocket and most of the time while at home this is the case. I saw multiple comments relegating the .380 to a pointy stick or BB. I saw equal number of comments giving the .45acp mystical powers of stopping someone with a single shot. I worry for those that have THAT much confidence in the round that they don't train follow up shots or magazine changes. The FBI states you need a minimum of 12" of penetration to maximize lethality. Even then, as evidenced by the case of this LEO, it isn't always the case. Shot placement is key. You must hit the central nervous system to truly stop a threat immediately. Even a big hole caused by the .45acp may not incapacitate someone and they can continue to attack you as you wait for them to bleed out enough that they become hypotensive and pass out. The whole point of my first article is to get you thinking about always being prepared with something. ALWAYS! It is a proven fact that the .380 has 100% greater penetration and expansion than the .000! As mentioned in the article, whatever you have on your person is more effective (at the time) than the larger caliber in your gun safe.
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Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
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http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf
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Thank you all for the warm welcome! I'd like to address a common theme I saw in the comments under my first article. I am guessing that as I predicted, a fair number of people didn't read the article but had a visceral response to the title alone and commented. To clarify, I own and carry .45acp as my primary weapon...when I am out of my home. If I am not wearing a belt then I have my LCP in my pocket and most of the time while at home this is the case. I saw multiple comments relegating the .380 to a pointy stick or BB. I saw equal number of comments giving the .45acp mystical powers of stopping someone with a single shot. I worry for those that have THAT much confidence in the round that they don't train follow up shots or magazine changes. The FBI states you need a minimum of 12" of penetration to maximize lethality. Even then, as evidenced by the case of this LEO, it isn't always the case. Shot placement is key. You must hit the central nervous system to truly stop a threat immediately. Even a big hole caused by the .45acp may not incapacitate someone and they can continue to attack you as you wait for them to bleed out enough that they become hypotensive and pass out. The whole point of my first article is to get you thinking about always being prepared with something. ALWAYS! It is a proven fact that the .380 has 100% greater penetration and expansion than the .000! As mentioned in the article, whatever you have on your person is more effective (at the time) than the larger caliber in your gun safe.
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Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
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http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf
cc_ryder
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I believe the .380 has an image problem. Much like the padded bra that became the Wonder bra, or the girdle that became Spanks, the .380 will be accepted if we call it the 9X17mm. As for carrying a gun in your pocket. It does not matter if it is a micro .45, .40, or 9mm. It should be in a holster.
I have 3 CC guns. The first I bought was a 38 S&W Bodyguard. The next I bought was the S&W .380 Bodyguard and the last gun I bought was the Sig P938 in 9m. The gun I carry 95% of the time... the .380. Why? Comfort. It just fits deep conceal best. It pocket fits best and it's virtually the same size as the Sig but lighter. It's with me when I am working around the house. It's with me when I go for a ride and it's with me when I go to the office. I like shooting the Sig more and it is a better shooting gun but once again the .380 fits best so I gravitate to it. I love the gun.
Happypuppy
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A good well done article. Thank you for posting. The best weapon is the one with you; not at home but in your pocket when you need it.
Go Seahawks!
Go Seahawks!
wolf_fire
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Yes I did read the entire article.... tell me how I missed the point, rather than just saying, "you missed the point"... or better yet, why don't you explain to me what you think the point was. That's kind of how these forums work.
Plus the title only said, Decent short article about .380. How in any way shape or form from my post do you get the conclusion that I didn't read the article? Is it because I disagreed with the authors reasoning?
whodat2710
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I am with the Rugers like you are with the S&W. I have a P-95 (15rd 9mm) for OWB, and LC9 for IWB and a LCP for a BUG/pocket holster carry. No matter which of the other guns I carry, the LCP is always there. In the south it get's warm, and even a belt can get uncomfortable, much less the added bulk of IWB or weight of OWB. But even in gym shorts I get them with pockets, so If I am checking the mail, taking out the trash, working in the yard etc., the LCP is there.
Almost nobody has shot any animals with any ccw pistol. So they really have nothing upon which to base their beliefs, except bs written by somebody else who's never fired a shot at flesh and blood. (ie, the FBi's testers-writers). I've shot a ton of animals with various loads, and short of the 460 Rowland and the 10mm, or 41 or .44 mag (and then only if using the lightest/fastest jhp's) they aint all that impressive as to their effects on flesh and blood.
The NRA Armed Citizen column says, and the stats show that IF you are smart enough to leave the punk an exit route, and IF you get the gun pointed at him early enough, the odds are heavily in your favor about not needing to fire at all. then a lot more punks flee at shots that miss, and many are stopped by any sort of hit. So the odds are about 20 to 1 that the 380 will suffice, IF the timing and escape route things are taken care of. If you are slow and/or stupid, a .45 or 357 probably won't make any difference, either. Never have a gun "loose" in pocket, purse, etc. Always have a holster therein.
The NRA Armed Citizen column says, and the stats show that IF you are smart enough to leave the punk an exit route, and IF you get the gun pointed at him early enough, the odds are heavily in your favor about not needing to fire at all. then a lot more punks flee at shots that miss, and many are stopped by any sort of hit. So the odds are about 20 to 1 that the 380 will suffice, IF the timing and escape route things are taken care of. If you are slow and/or stupid, a .45 or 357 probably won't make any difference, either. Never have a gun "loose" in pocket, purse, etc. Always have a holster therein.
whodat2710
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OK, the point of the article was that if you don't have it ON you, you can't defend yourself with it.
whodat2710
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I believe the comparison was not about going elk hunting with your LCP, it was about stopping power, and comparing large game animals reaction to human reaction.
telpinaro
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Right... that would make more sense. thru has been creating so many posts about SHTF stuff I immediately thought he was suggesting we needed to be carrying things with enough stopping power to take down an elk. And yeah, in the event of an apocalypse we'd need bigger guns and would worry less about whether we could hide it or not... it's just not practical now for EDC and concealing.
wolf_fire
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Please read my original post, especially the bold faced part. One should get the firearm that fits their purpose FIRST... THEN learn how to carry it well and often. They shouldn't carry a smaller gun just because it FEELS better, but if that's all they will carry that's better than none, I guess.
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