Dad who shot up his daughters laptop gets visited by the authorities.

[nogods]

Typical strawman argument.

Uh, before you use a term to avoid addressing an issue, you should first understand the term.

Both parents in those cases exhibited a lack of parenting skills indicative of the need for intervention.

Hopefully both will get the help they need to become mature adults capable of parenting a child.

I'm guessing Mr. Rifleman is the one least likely to achieve that goal.

 

[Warbirds]

Both men exhibited a childlike approach to problem solving. Both are in need of counseling as to parenting.

In NYS it is a felony to drive while impaired with children in the car. It doesn't matter that none were harmed. The law punishes the inappropriate conduct, not the result.

The same is true of parenting. We don't have to wait until a [parent actually harms a child if they behave in a manner that raises questions about their parenting skills.

In a way, the incident will be a benefit to both the parent and the child if the parent learns effective parenting skills.

And what did he do that violated a law or put anyone in harm? He is fully in his rights to do what he wants with his property. He took away a privilege that he had given his kid in response to her breaking of the rules that he put in place as her father.

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[Warbirds]

Uh, before you use a term to avoid addressing an issue, you should first understand the term.

Both parents in those cases exhibited a lack of parenting skills indicative of the need for intervention.

Hopefully both will get the help they need to become mature adults capable of parenting a child.

I'm guessing Mr. Rifleman is the one least likely to achieve that goal.

Gonna back away from this thread. The only thing more dangerous than messing with sometimes guns is messing with their kids. I will end on the note that I do not remember kids being more messed up then this generation. I think it had a lot to do work a lack of consequences.

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[NavyLCDR]

Gonna back away from this thread. The only thing more dangerous than messing with sometimes guns is messing with their kids. I will end on the note that I do not remember kids being more messed up then this generation. I think it had a lot to do work a lack of consequences.

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Correcting your post to account for your phone's lousy auto correction.... I agree 100%! There are entirely too many people in this country who scream "BAD PARENT" when someone doeas anything to their kids for punishment more than "time out" in their room with their iPhone, iPod, laptop and XBox with them. IMHO, that's exactly one reason why we have so many poor, misguided, young adults (aka: criminals) in this country.

 

[nogods]

"property rights" are irrelevant. It's the impact of his action on his children. Under your reasoning he could take all of the things he has given her, including her clothing, put them in a pile and set them on fire as punishment for telling him he is an idiot.

He might own the laptop but he doesn't own his child.

While his specific act may not be child abuse, his choice does give rise to a question about his parenting abilities and the possibility that he might need counseling to prevent harm to his children.

Child protective service agencies exist to investigate such matters.

 

[Unfettered Might]

Interesting that the local PD and CPS would disagree with you nogods....oh wait...no it makes perfect sense.

Not all kids are the same, its 20% enviornment and 80% genetics. They are not completely blank pieces of paper, some kids are born inherently good, some bad. Any halfway intelligent parent would know this. Its not always appropriate to completely blame the parent for a childs misdeeds or shortcomings. Some parents beat their head against a rock trying to teach a kid the right way and to no avail.

Take my two daughters for instance, my oldest is an angel, my youngest is hell on wheels. Both are only 18 months apart, both are being raised in the exact same enviornment, same rules, same expectations....and theyre polar opposites.

Care to try to explain that phenomenon nogods? Or are you ready to admit that good parenting is no guarantee? Do you even have kids?

Somehow i dont think you do, which automatically would disqualify you from the discussion imo.

 

[mississippi21]

People with no kids cant understand i have a daughter with a stealng problem ive done everything short of pressing charges myself kids now a days think their entitled to everything and not have to do anything for it.

 

[Warbirds]

"property rights" are irrelevant. It's the impact of his action on his children. Under your reasoning he could take all of the things he has given her, including her clothing, put them in a pile and set them on fire as punishment for telling him he is an idiot.

He might own the laptop but he doesn't own his child.

While his specific act may not be child abuse, his choice does give rise to a question about his parenting abilities and the possibility that he might need counseling to prevent harm to his children.

Child protective service agencies exist to investigate such matters.

Ok...I'm back already. I can tell you that with my children they struggle to understand consequences but if I don't teach them now they will be a failure as an adult and I will be a failure as a parent. I haven't heard anything from nogods that indicates he had any experience with kids other than something out of a bad parenting book.

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[nogods]

Interesting that the local PD and CPS would disagree with you nogods....oh wait...no it makes perfect sense.

Not all kids are the same, its 20% enviornment and 80% genetics. They are not completely blank pieces of paper, some kids are born inherently good, some bad. Any halfway intelligent parent would know this. Its not always appropriate to completely blame the parent for a childs misdeeds or shortcomings. Some parents beat their head against a rock trying to teach a kid the right way and to no avail.

Take my two daughters for instance, my oldest is an angel, my youngest is hell on wheels. Both are only 18 months apart, both are being raised in the exact same enviornment, same rules, same expectations....and theyre polar opposites.

Care to try to explain that phenomenon nogods? Or are you ready to admit that good parenting is no guarantee? Do you even have kids?

Somehow i dont think you do, which automatically would disqualify you from the discussion imo.

We are not talking about the child's behavior. We are discussing the parent's childish reaction to it. Poor parenting won't change the behavior of a child, especially if the child already has a psychological or physical problem that manifests itself in bad behavior. It'll just make it worse.

I raised four children. I never ran out of ways to discipline them and I never had to resort to physical violence against them or any of their possessions.

Responding to a child's inappropriate behavior with inappropriate behavior never benefits the child. It just lets the alleged parent in the relationship play out their childlike personality.

 

[Unfettered Might]

We are not talking about the child's behavior. We are discussing the parent's childish reaction to it. Poor parenting won't change the behavior of a child, especially if the child already has a psychological or physical problem that manifests itself in bad behavior. It'll just make it worse.

I raised four children. I never ran out of ways to discipline them and I never had to resort to physical violence against them or any of their possessions.

Responding to a child's inappropriate behavior with inappropriate behavior never benefits the child. It just lets the alleged parent in the relationship play out their childlike personality.

Then i would wager time has softened your memory of being in the thick of things and/or you were fortunate in the children you were gifted with. If you cannot understand that maybe this is a father thats loves his daughter, but that the effects of adolescence in his daughter has them at odds, maybe has her doing other rebellious acts that has worn his patience out. You should be able to relate to that right? You raised 4, you should be well aware.

Do you seriously think he went to that much trouble, threw his own money away, over one post on facebook? No, much more likely that was just the proverbial straw and he has reached a point of hes not putting up with one more iota of her bad behavior.

Ill tell you the effect this will have on his daughter, i bet she wont publically insult her parents again. Parents who work to feed her and clothe her, who protect her from the big bad world, who make sure shes getting a good education, who provide to her the things she wants and needs.

Sure as parents they have a responsibility to provide these things, but that does not give her an open license to spit in their faces, privately and sure as hell not in a public place.

She most likely got exactly what she deserved, maybe the whole debacle will jerk a knot in her ass and make her fly straight.

Tough love has its place.

 

[BC1]

Let me get this right? Are you saying that one person (14 year old) pointed a firearm at his sister, then mom took a picture and posted it as if some kind of joke and thought it was funny? How stupid is that of a parent? Sounds like dad needs to have a serious conversation with mom. That would be far more extreme than a parent shooting a laptop. IMO.

Yes sir. The mom and dad haven't spoken in years and the dad found the photo on the ex-wife's facebook page. He went to the police who said it might be a water pistol. I blew up the photo and found it was a full size Glock and the trigger was in the forward position. kids finger was inside the triger guard. CPS blew it off too. Personally I found it shocking.

 

[Stealth]

me... personally...

i would have been kicked the kids ass long time ago.

wouldnt have even made it to this point.

an no i would not have broken or "shot" something i paid for.

when i first saw it... i laughed.

hero or nothing of the sort crossed my mind.

all i saw was a weak minded man who has no control over his children.

that is all.

 

[NavyLCDR]

My cat called the ASPCA once because I wouldn't feed him until 6:00. They took one look at his fat a$$ and left.

Same situation.

 

[localgirl]

My cat called the ASPCA once because I wouldn't feed him until 6:00. They took one look at his fat a$$ and left.

Same situation.

Dude, don't be posting that here. My dog HAS a Facebook account, and if he knows he can call someone because he doesn't get enough treats....

 

[FN1910]

I watched the video and watched the father shoot the laptop and I cannot find anything in that video that I would consider violent. He was very calm about the whole thing and just went about it very deliberately. I saw nothing in the video that would indicate to me that the father was incapable of controlling his temper and in any way pointed to him being physically abusive to his daughter. Now I do not necessarily agree with what he did but I saw nothing that indicated that anyone was in danger before, during or after the video. People shoot old TV's and Computer's all the time. I remember a commercial where people were throwing their old printers out of the windows of tall buildings. I know plenty of people that have threatened to shoot their computer and Elvis once shot his TV.

I am not defending the way the dad handled it but I didn't see anything that indicated anyone was in danger. If it had been then he would have shot something besides the laptop.

 

[FN1910]

Dude, don't be posting that here. My dog HAS a Facebook account, and if he knows he can call someone because he doesn't get enough treats....

My dog gets too many treats already but the cat on the other hand would already have us locked up. She wants the window open so she can watch the birds and squirrels but there is a screen between her and them. I get up at 5am and she starts then wanting the window open. At 24 degrees outside she will just have to call 911 I suppose.

 

[rrman12280]

Yes sir. The mom and dad haven't spoken in years and the dad found the photo on the ex-wife's facebook page. He went to the police who said it might be a water pistol. I blew up the photo and found it was a full size Glock and the trigger was in the forward position. kids finger was inside the triger guard. CPS blew it off too. Personally I found it shocking.

I will not try to change the topic in the OP here, but WTH? How stupid of mom. What am example to be setting for your kids about firearm safety. Stupid..........Stupid........Stupid. I better hush before my blood pressure goes up and I get a headache.....Better for another thread I guess, but you know what it will lead to.

 

[Iam2Taz]

Then i would wager time has softened your memory of being in the thick of things and/or you were fortunate in the children you were gifted with. If you cannot understand that maybe this is a father thats loves his daughter, but that the effects of adolescence in his daughter has them at odds, maybe has her doing other rebellious acts that has worn his patience out. You should be able to relate to that right? You raised 4, you should be well aware.

Do you seriously think he went to that much trouble, threw his own money away, over one post on facebook? No, much more likely that was just the proverbial straw and he has reached a point of hes not putting up with one more iota of her bad behavior.

Ill tell you the effect this will have on his daughter, i bet she wont publically insult her parents again. Parents who work to feed her and clothe her, who protect her from the big bad world, who make sure shes getting a good education, who provide to her the things she wants and needs.

Sure as parents they have a responsibility to provide these things, but that does not give her an open license to spit in their faces, privately and sure as hell not in a public place.

She most likely got exactly what she deserved, maybe the whole debacle will jerk a knot in her ass and make her fly straight.

Tough love has its place.

This....
As noted before, some people have been blessed with kids who would listen. Some of us were not. My son thought he would call CPS. They thought I did something. Uh no. Mom poured a bucket of ice water on his bed when he didn't get up. That evening he found his crap in the front yard. Funny how quick he got the point.
Oh, and my wife worked in that arena for 7 years. She saw it ALL. Abuse that nothing was done about, ignored kids and parents, as well as those unjustly accused.
Most kids are searching for a limit. Some have to push the limit more than others.

 

[fudo]

Yep, those idiot liberals trying to protect children form adults who should not be parents in the first place.

Here's another hero for you:

Ohio dad put son in dryer as punishment, police say

Oh wait, he's not a "hero" because he didn't shot the dryer while his kid was being punished in it.

Are you seriously saying that a guy who puts a small child in a dryer and a guy who destroys a miscreant child's' laptop, are morally equivalent? If so, your moral compass is seriously in need of recalibration.

 

[fudo]

Both parents in those cases exhibited a lack of parenting skills indicative of the need for intervention.

Hopefully both will get the help they need to become mature adults capable of parenting a child.

Mmm, not really. Teaching children respect for their elders and their betters shows an understanding of life skills that a person needs to make it in society. An adult who shows this level of selfishness and lack of respect for co-workers and supervisors will be a resentful unemployed welfare case. We might even see them on the evening news.
Regarding parenting, Much to learn, you have, young padawan.