Oldgrunt
Well-known member
I received this today and had never seen it stated like this. Interesting!
Subject: "CUDA, SHUDA, WUDA"
I received this from a friend. Whether you care, or whether
you don't....Benghazi is a black mark in our history and shows
what happened when we didn't try to save our own people.
I can guarantee that had this been an Israeli Ambassador,
their planes would have been overhead ASAP.
Read my friend's take, and then that of someone who really
knows what is going on. You might be surprised.
Joe Mittelman
Vice President
AFTERMARKET FOUNDATION
"When there is no place else to turn"
Read to the end, please.
Quite interesting to someone who has listened to every word of every Hearing on this issue.
I never did get the impression that General Ham was told to stand down. When the military attache (a Colonel) to whom Deputy Ambassador Hicks asked to request military security forces, and the message that no security forces would be forthcoming was received by the Colonel, he told Hicks "This is the first time in my military career I have witnessed a diplomat show more balls than a military man". This I heard live on C-SPAN. (I thought he meant it was a decision by General Hamm).
I could be wrong. But I do know from my friend Zee who served with General Petreaus in Iraq that Hamm, Dempsey, and Panetta met with Obama the evening before Rice told her lies on the five (5) Sunday news shows. (I may have informed you before that Petraeus was not dismissed/resigned due to the affair he had, it was because of a confrontation between him and Obama in a high ranking meeting when Obama had some uncomplimentary things to say about Petraeus and Patreaus did not hold his tongue.
I wish you could meet Zee and listen to some of his stories. Some of them are hilarious, some are unbelievable, and some are astonishing.
He was headed back here from Iraq this week. I hope to see him this weekend and get a better understanding of Suuni vs. Shiite. He will know.
*Colonel Phil "Hands" Handley is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions
during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.*
*Here is what Col. Handley wrote in response to Panetta and Dempsey's claims there was no time to send help to *Benghazi*
C *---------------------------------------*
*"Betrayal in Benghazi" Phil "Hands" Handley Colonel, USAF (Ret.)*
*The combat code of the US Military is that we don't abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don't run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying.*
*Among America 's fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.*
*The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEAL's who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty.*
*Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in an attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility. The White House strategy, with the aid of a "lap dog" press has been to run out the clock before the truth
is forthcoming.*
*The contention "that there were simply no military assets that could be brought to bear in time to make a difference" mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft is simply Bull Chit, regardless how many supposed "experts" the Administration trots out to make such an assertion.* *The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don't just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing.*
*The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based.*
Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local): When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him "Greg, we are under attack!" (his last words). Hicks immediately notifies
all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing "Emergency Response Plan."*
*At AFRICON, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to "stand down". By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various "Command and Control Agencies" so everyone watching that feed knew damn well what was going on.*
*At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at 4:00 AM.*
*So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really "was not available" what about this:*
*When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.*
*By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours. While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement,
and radio frequencies to use.*
*The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and their team.*
*Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.*
*Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to return to Sigonelli after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport , only one-half hour away.*
*As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act -- screw them. It is time our "leadership" get its priorities straight and put America 's
interests first.*
*The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with "72 virgins" and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless P.O.S. terrorist
contemplating an attack on Americans that it is not really a good idea to "tug" on Superman's cape.*
*Of course all this depends upon a Commander In Chief more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm's way than getting his crew rested for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. It also depends upon a Secretary of State who actually understood "What difference did it make?", and a Secretary of Defense who was watching the feed from the drone and understood what the attack consisted of instead of making an immediate response that "One of the military tenants is that you don't commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation."*
*YGBSM!**( You Gotta Be Chittin' Me)*
*Ultimately it comes down to the question of who gave that order to stand down? Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does
"have their back" when the chips are down.*
*FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THIS, DO ONE THING FOR ME AND FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!! TO AVOID THIS HAPPENING AGAIN, WHOM EVER GAVE THE "STAND DOWN" ORDER NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED!
Subject: "CUDA, SHUDA, WUDA"
I received this from a friend. Whether you care, or whether
you don't....Benghazi is a black mark in our history and shows
what happened when we didn't try to save our own people.
I can guarantee that had this been an Israeli Ambassador,
their planes would have been overhead ASAP.
Read my friend's take, and then that of someone who really
knows what is going on. You might be surprised.
Joe Mittelman
Vice President
AFTERMARKET FOUNDATION
"When there is no place else to turn"
Read to the end, please.
Quite interesting to someone who has listened to every word of every Hearing on this issue.
I never did get the impression that General Ham was told to stand down. When the military attache (a Colonel) to whom Deputy Ambassador Hicks asked to request military security forces, and the message that no security forces would be forthcoming was received by the Colonel, he told Hicks "This is the first time in my military career I have witnessed a diplomat show more balls than a military man". This I heard live on C-SPAN. (I thought he meant it was a decision by General Hamm).
I could be wrong. But I do know from my friend Zee who served with General Petreaus in Iraq that Hamm, Dempsey, and Panetta met with Obama the evening before Rice told her lies on the five (5) Sunday news shows. (I may have informed you before that Petraeus was not dismissed/resigned due to the affair he had, it was because of a confrontation between him and Obama in a high ranking meeting when Obama had some uncomplimentary things to say about Petraeus and Patreaus did not hold his tongue.
I wish you could meet Zee and listen to some of his stories. Some of them are hilarious, some are unbelievable, and some are astonishing.
He was headed back here from Iraq this week. I hope to see him this weekend and get a better understanding of Suuni vs. Shiite. He will know.
*Colonel Phil "Hands" Handley is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions
during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.*
*Here is what Col. Handley wrote in response to Panetta and Dempsey's claims there was no time to send help to *Benghazi*
C *---------------------------------------*
*"Betrayal in Benghazi" Phil "Hands" Handley Colonel, USAF (Ret.)*
*The combat code of the US Military is that we don't abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don't run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying.*
*Among America 's fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.*
*The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEAL's who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty.*
*Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in an attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility. The White House strategy, with the aid of a "lap dog" press has been to run out the clock before the truth
is forthcoming.*
*The contention "that there were simply no military assets that could be brought to bear in time to make a difference" mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft is simply Bull Chit, regardless how many supposed "experts" the Administration trots out to make such an assertion.* *The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don't just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing.*
*The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based.*
Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local): When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him "Greg, we are under attack!" (his last words). Hicks immediately notifies
all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing "Emergency Response Plan."*
*At AFRICON, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to "stand down". By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various "Command and Control Agencies" so everyone watching that feed knew damn well what was going on.*
*At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at 4:00 AM.*
*So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really "was not available" what about this:*
*When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.*
*By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours. While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement,
and radio frequencies to use.*
*The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and their team.*
*Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.*
*Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to return to Sigonelli after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport , only one-half hour away.*
*As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act -- screw them. It is time our "leadership" get its priorities straight and put America 's
interests first.*
*The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with "72 virgins" and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless P.O.S. terrorist
contemplating an attack on Americans that it is not really a good idea to "tug" on Superman's cape.*
*Of course all this depends upon a Commander In Chief more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm's way than getting his crew rested for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. It also depends upon a Secretary of State who actually understood "What difference did it make?", and a Secretary of Defense who was watching the feed from the drone and understood what the attack consisted of instead of making an immediate response that "One of the military tenants is that you don't commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation."*
*YGBSM!**( You Gotta Be Chittin' Me)*
*Ultimately it comes down to the question of who gave that order to stand down? Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does
"have their back" when the chips are down.*
*FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THIS, DO ONE THING FOR ME AND FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!! TO AVOID THIS HAPPENING AGAIN, WHOM EVER GAVE THE "STAND DOWN" ORDER NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED!
