Concealed carry weapons bust - 2 arrested for selling gun training certificates

buffalokill said:
I think you missed my point.
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No I didn't miss your point at all as I knew what you were trying to say. However youd did miss my point that they needed no permit to carry in Ohio. Now if you want to argue that neither OC nor CC should have to have a permit then I can go along with that. I think that those who are happy to go along with permits for CC as long as they have OC are being hypocrits.

The post by XD-Fender was right on concerning this and anyone that want to be the test case has my respect. However I don't plan on being that as I have too much to lose and am willing to play their game with the permits while taking a more indirect approach at making my point. Those that choose to play the game illegally with method 3 as XD-Fender puts it are nothing but scum and do not deserve the rights of the people.
 
good, i'm glad they got busted and i hope there will be more to come. those of us who follow the the law expect it.
 
Hi, I'm new on this board. I recently took the Utah class here in Alabama, and I noticed in the course materials that "15 CFP instructor privileges have been denied, suspended, or revoked." I asked the instructor about this, and he responded that Utah sends people to their classes to check that everything is done properly, and they have caught some instructors simply collecting the checks and dispensing signed certificates.

In terms of purchasing certificates, it may be that for some people, it is easier to get a fake driver's license, birth certificate, and social security card than to get a course certificate. It may also be that the people eager to buy them are actually selling them to other people for vastly more.

I lived for many years in New Jersey, where the "legal" CCW system is hardly better. Though the Soprano State is technically "may issue," it gives permits only to those willing to pay off, and the fee is beyond the reach of most people.
 
L1D3N said:
Glad they got caught, like someone else said why not just take the class? It's fun and I enjoyed it. Always people trying to cut corners...:pleasantry:
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"The 2nd amendment is my CCW permit" -Ted Nugent. That should be the position that any of you here adopt.

They broke the law. But the law itself is flawed in violation of the 2nd amendment. Wonder how this is going to play out if any of these folks have the resources to hire a big gun attorney.
As we see the country, (well most of it) move towards "shall issue" status, I wonder when the regulations involved start to relax. As with most government programs, when it becomes overloaded, we should see a streamlining of the process. Hopefully.

OR (pipe dream time) maybe they will just start prosecuting criminals with guns, and let the rest of us just be free Americans.

That said, they should have taken the class. Its fun, and any formal training is beneficial when its properly conducted.

Best to all,

S
 
Duh!!!

My CCW from start to finish cost me $150.00. How lazy do you have to be to get suckered into that deal. A felony huh? Well hope it was worth you freedom to own and carry a firearm. Heck of a deal!!!:to_pick_ones_nose:
 
UPDATE:
Sentencing was today....

FROM.......toledoblade.com --
Judge Reeve Kelsey ordered Jason Hernandez, 38, of Perrysburg Township to spend 45 days in the Wood County jail, pay a $2,000 fine, perform 200 hours of community service, and spend two years on community control. The judge sentenced Michael Davenport, 39, of Northwood to 30 days in jail, a $1,000 fine, 200 hours community service, and two years on community control. The men also were ordered to have no contact with each other.
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I went to high school with one of their daughters... I live around the block from them. The things people will do to make a few bucks...........................
 
Ok when i read the article it said they were issuing the permits. I thought they were only issuing certificates??? I teach in several states and none of the ones i teach in allows the instructor to issue the permit. Do they do that in Ohio?
 
Wow! That is not good.

I hope many ccw instructors must better be asking the costumers for a driver license to matching on the application before taking 8 hours firearm training. .
 
An 8 hour NRA course certificate for $300? Seems like a complete ripoff, and the people ripped off may not even realize how badly they were ripped off--unless they figure that out while doing community service.

A two day weekend course at the Firearms Academy of Seattle will run you only $325, and you'll get a heckuva lot more than basic firearm safety--unless the people buying the certificate can't successfully navigate a basic firearm safety course.
 
Judge Reeve Kelsey ordered Jason Hernandez, 38, of Perrysburg Township to . . .

I went to boarding school in Connecticut with a Reeve Kelsey from Toledo, Ohio. It has to be the same guy. [Just found out—it is the same guy.] He'd be 61 now. As I remember, he was quite a good student and went on to Washington and Lee University. He was well liked, trustworthy, and definitely a "straight arrow."
 
This is what gives us who ARE LEGAL a bad name!
I enjoyed my class, it was not only Informitive it was Fun!
Well worth giving up a whole Saturday for!
Our class was $85.00!
 
Same here, our class was fun, the instructors while being consumate profestionals, actualy kept my attention for the 8 or 9 hrs of training, however they probably did not like me getting ahead of things while doing the shooting quaification, we were all suposed to wait for everyone to finish before moving to the next set, I put the 50 rds in the torso target, they almost made me do it again, i only had a hole in the target about the size of a tennis ball, in the end they were cool, asked if I practiced, I said yes, I did the range twice a week at least 100 rds each day, the only thing I can say about selling certificates, theu deserve whats coming to them and more :mad:
 
$300 ???


What a bunch of idiots. It's just a 12 hour course. Not like it's a semester or anything.

"A fool and his money..."
 
RRGlock23 said:
Wow! That is not good.

I hope many ccw instructors must better be asking the costumers for a driver license to matching on the application before taking 8 hours firearm training. .
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I keep a copy of a government issued photo ID for each student I train. Not sure about other instructors. Believe it or not, there are some instructors who have told me that checking their ID and keeping a copy is an invasion of privacy! Here in PRHI, a firearms safety class is manditory if you want to purchase a handgun. I verify and keep the copies of ID in the event that I'm ever called into court to attest to the fact that I trained (or didn't train) a particular student.



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Glock Fan said:
I keep a copy of a government issued photo ID for each student I train. Not sure about other instructors. Believe it or not, there are some instructors who have told me that checking their ID and keeping a copy is an invasion of privacy! Here in PRHI, a firearms safety class is manditory if you want to purchase a handgun. I verify and keep the copies of ID in the event that I'm ever called into court to attest to the fact that I trained (or didn't train) a particular student.



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I think I'd Blacken out the Drivers Lic Number for ID Theft reasons, but still maint a photo ID for Class related court issues. CYA
 
The current military photo-ID has a person's full SS# on the back. There's absolutely no reason to make a photo-copy of anything but the front.
 
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