Concealed carry weapons bust - 2 arrested for selling gun training certificates

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The Lucas County Sheriff's Office, along with the Wood County Sheriff's Office, worked with an informant to arrest two men who they say were helping people get concealed carry weapon (CCW) licenses.

In order to receive a CCW, you're required to complete 12 hours of hand gun instruction and training. Wood County Sheriff Mark Wasylyshyn told FOX Toledo Jason Hernandez of Perrysburg, and Michael Davenport of Northwood were selling completion certificates to people who never did any training.

Hernandez and Davenport allegedly sold over 130 National Rifle Association certificates to people in Wood and Lucas counties. Approximately 110 false certificates were filed in Lucas County and 22 in Wood.

Detectives believe some of the certificates were sold for as much as $300 a piece.

Hernandez and Davenport are facing felony charges for this criminal activity that detectives say has been going on since 2004.

But those who purchased the certificates are not in the clear. Detective Sergeant Scott Cook with the Wood County Sheriff’s Office says all those individuals are also facing a felony charge. Many have already been contacted but there are others who still need to turn themselves in.

"If you have been involved in this and I have not contacted you we are not going to come to your house to arrest you," said Det. Sgt. Cook. "We ask that you come and turn yourself in or contact your local law enforcement agency. Any cooperation will go a long way."

Sgt. Cook added his department is working with law enforcement agencies in other counties in Ohio and Michigan to possibly crack similar operations.

Source: Fox Toledo
 

The guys selling the fake certs are idiots.

The guys buying them and using them are complete, freaking morons.

And that's all I have to say about that...
 
I have to ask why? If you are spending $300, why not just take the damn class?

The guys selling the fake certs are idiots.

The guys buying them and using them are complete, freaking morons.

And that's all I have to say about that...

The Wiphe and I were talking about this and I think that the report may be a tad off. Maybe it was $30 not $300... ????????? :help:
 
Bad, bad, bad for law abiding citizens. Some people just will not abide by societies rules and laws. :no::no::no:
 
Glad they got caught, like someone else said why not just take the class? It's fun and I enjoyed it. Always people trying to cut corners...:pleasantry:
 
The Wiphe and I were talking about this and I think that the report may be a tad off. Maybe it was $30 not $300... ????????? :help:

Actually, I kinda doubt it. They probably were $300. The were illegal documents to permit the buyers to illegally obtain permits that they are not qualified for; such contraband goes expensively...
 
Actually, I kinda doubt it. They probably were $300. The were illegal documents to permit the buyers to illegally obtain permits that they are not qualified for; such contraband goes expensively...

I had a guy here in Hawaii offer me $200 for paperwork so he could apply for a handgun permit. When I refused and stated that the law requires he take the full class (which is minimum 4 hours classroom and 2 hours of live fire here in PRHI), then guy upped his offer to $500 if I could give him the full class the same day.

Sensing the total lack of integrity of this guy, and having a very bad feeling due to this guy's urgency to get a handgun permit (wait time would still be 2 weeks per state law), I politely declined to do business with him. I also alerted several of the local instructors I work with along with the local gun shops.

It's very scary what folks are doing these days! :eek:



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This is to be expected when a state puts unreasonable requirements on obtaining a permit. Someone is going to try to make money on it.
 
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Up to $300 just for the certificate? They would still be required to pass the background check. And now, since they are guilty of a felony once convicted, they will NEVER qualify for a CCP.
 
Glad they got caught, like someone else said why not just take the class? It's fun and I enjoyed it. Always people trying to cut corners...:pleasantry:

That big document in your signature says that you don't have to take a class. Just like I don't need a permit to attend the church of my choosing, I don't need one to carry a gun.

Granted, these guys are gonna end up dealing with the tyrant state/fed gov, I still appreciate them being able to pack a weapon, government "licenses" to exercise your freedoms can be damned.

What happens when the fed gov steps in and starts limiting freedoms, they start turning law abiding citizens into outlaws.
 
I think they busted a couple of fellows in Upstate SC a few months back for selling certificates. I know it is supposed to be an 8 hour class but I know of at least one instructor that can get you through in about 4 hours. He covers all the basics but doesn't elaborate on anything and goes through the shooting part very quickly. As someone pointed out that those that are wanting to buy the certificate still have to go through the background check so it doesn't help in a lot of cases I would imagine.
 
That big document in your signature says that you don't have to take a class. Just like I don't need a permit to attend the church of my choosing, I don't need one to carry a gun.

Granted, these guys are gonna end up dealing with the tyrant state/fed gov, I still appreciate them being able to pack a weapon, government "licenses" to exercise your freedoms can be damned.

What happens when the fed gov steps in and starts limiting freedoms, they start turning law abiding citizens into outlaws.

Since these fellows were in Ohio they didn't need the permit to OC so that meets your requirement. It also makes one wonder why they were so willing to "pay" for the training certificate that they didn't need unless there is something that I am missing.
 
Since these fellows were in Ohio they didn't need the permit to OC so that meets your requirement. It also makes one wonder why they were so willing to "pay" for the training certificate that they didn't need unless there is something that I am missing.

I think you missed my point.
 
That big document in your signature says that you don't have to take a class. Just like I don't need a permit to attend the church of my choosing, I don't need one to carry a gun.

Granted, these guys are gonna end up dealing with the tyrant state/fed gov, I still appreciate them being able to pack a weapon, government "licenses" to exercise your freedoms can be damned.

What happens when the fed gov steps in and starts limiting freedoms, they start turning law abiding citizens into outlaws.

I agree with you 100% that the requirement that we obtain "permission" from the government to carry--whether concealed or otherwise--is unquestionably a violation of the 2nd Amendment and our RKBA. I think that is a plain as the nose on my face.

However, despite that fact, the States have imposed these conditions on us and, unless we are ready, willing, and able to challenge these conditions in court (are you ready to be the test case?), we submit to them as a matter of practicality, while at the same time working to get these unconstitutional requirements overturned or reversed.

But these idiots chose to try yet a third route--fraudulently obtaining the documentation to indicate that they had, in fact, submitted to the requirements when they actually had not. They are idiots. If they had simply disregarded the blatently unconstitutional requirements and carried any way, they would have my respect (and awe, at their willingness to risk the costs of being a test case if they were ever caught at it). Or, if they complied with the unconstitutional requirements while objecting to and working to abolish them, they again would have my respect. But their choice was simply foolish and stupid, and did nothing at all to promote the cause, so I have no respect for them whatsoever.
 

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