Concealed carry law now in effect in wisconsin. NOV1ST 2011.

[whitetiger]

We now can carry a concealed weapon in Wisconsin( as soon as we get the ccw permitt back) But out of state permitt holders can carry now if they are from one of the states Wisconsin says they can. I think there are 25 of them.
Now we need castle defence law passed and for bad guys to read the paper and think they can defened theirselfs now. and go to ILL.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

You must have been awake at 12MN to remind us this piece of info. <g> I just wish your authority over there will include MO and some other states so we can go to Airventure 2012 in peace.

 

[tuts40]

Well, at least I'm "legal" now when I go there.

 

[Nightmare45]

Congrats and welcome to CCW.

 

[tuts40]

Congrats and welcome to CCW.

Not picking on your post Nightmare, just using it as a jumping point to:

No doubt many thousands there carried before today. Thousands did here in my state before any such law. Perhaps we could amend the idea to: "Welcome to 'legal' CCW. Although the 2nd already states you can carry any way you want, at least now you can pay the gov't an illegal fee for the 'should be unnecessary' permit paper so if and when you had to defend your life with a gun you will now have one less legal hassle. Sure, you'd be alive rather than dead by carrying all along, but now you can escape one more legal hassle."

It still saddens many of us to see how the gov't is still fooling millions into thinking self defense, or more accurately the right to bear arms, is a government provided priviledge rather than a founding papers granted right for all.

 

[mtallit]

Has anyone contacted WI AG to see why the FL permit was not granted reciprocity???? I see the UT permit was.

Congrats WI residents! Hopefully, my state of Illinois is right behind you!

 

[bforney]

Florida is not on the list because the background check needs to be comparable. WI requires both NICBS and a criminal background check. Florida does the criminal background check but since the permit is issued from the Department of Agriculture (not a law enforcement agency) they do not have access to NICBS. Its bogus but that is what the DOJ is using as their argument.

 

[Armed_and_Safe]

bforney, good info thank you.

When I called to inquire why I got the generic "We are still working on other states, just because its not listed now doesn't mean we will never honor there permit".

It did seem strange to me the State we modeled our law after is one that we do not recognize. I do not agree with the DOJ's interpretation but I can see the argument.

Thank you again for getting and posting the info.

 

[alduane]

Not picking on your post Nightmare, just using it as a jumping point to:

No doubt many thousands there carried before today. Thousands did here in my state before any such law. Perhaps we could amend the idea to: "Welcome to 'legal' CCW. Although the 2nd already states you can carry any way you want, at least now you can pay the gov't an illegal fee for the 'should be unnecessary' permit paper so if and when you had to defend your life with a gun you will now have one less legal hassle. Sure, you'd be alive rather than dead by carrying all along, but now you can escape one more legal hassle."

It still saddens many of us to see how the gov't is still fooling millions into thinking self defense, or more accurately the right to bear arms, is a government provided priviledge rather than a founding papers granted right for all.

And I'm not picking on yours, but the right to self defense is neither a priviledge or a Constitutionaly granted right.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

It is an an unalienable right and not a granted right. Our Creator is the only one that grants these rights. The Second Amendment doesn't grant anything, it simply protects an unalienable right. I agree with your point but just not the wording. <G>

 

[alduane]

Florida is not on the list because the background check needs to be comparable. WI requires both NICBS and a criminal background check. Florida does the criminal background check but since the permit is issued from the Department of Agriculture (not a law enforcement agency) they do not have access to NICBS. Its bogus but that is what the DOJ is using as their argument.

It's not just their argument but the way the law was written. A State that has a Criminal Background check, a NICS check and requires a holder to be 21 will have their permit automatically honored. The list is not a list of Reciprocal agreements but just those that meet the requirements of the law.

 

[cortchubby]

Way to go Wisconsin! On 01 Nov 2011, I took the train from Chicago to Kenosha.(gun in locked case of course)Upon arrival to WI I left the train and found a place to arm myself. (I think a lawsuit against these rail companys is in order in that their company policy violates 2A rights) As I left the station I encountered the Kenosha County Sheriffs Dept(next to the station) naturally,they saw my polished Colt MK-IV and approached.
I complied,stated I was armed,a permit holder and all the rest. They were VERY NICE about the whole matter and had questions themselves which I gladly answered. NO business in Kenosha that I saw was a "no gun zone" and many store owners wanted info on how to get a permit. I obliged. Id like to say thanks to the Wisconsin DOJ that was very helpful with my questions,the Kenosha County Sheriffs Dept for being professional,and to those that did NOT give up the fight for CCW in WI. There were NO reportable adverse incidents while I was there prracting my CCW rights.(a few raised eyebrows but other than that....) Thanks also to usacarry for its informative postings,laws,and charts that ALWAYS help a lot.

Cort D Chubko
CHICAGO and ARMED

 

[cortchubby]

Oh heres what I did. I called VA and NH(2 of my other permits) and asked about how they conducted BG checks.they use the NICS system, which complys with WI LAW. I called WI DOJ and was told to submit this information in writing to them which i did.hopefully they (WI) will add NH and VA to the list of approved permits as well.
Sorry for you FL guys that fell for the sales pitch of THAT permit.AZ non resident gives the same and is recognied better than the FL permit. AND only 60 bucks. I would urge all not listed permit holders to check then if appropriate send this info to WI DOJ IN WRITING so that they can be current. Every bit helps.

 

[Armed_and_Safe]

Way to go Wisconsin! On 01 Nov 2011, I took the train from Chicago to Kenosha.(gun in locked case of course)Upon arrival to WI I left the train and found a place to arm myself. (I think a lawsuit against these rail companys is in order in that their company policy violates 2A rights) As I left the station I encountered the Kenosha County Sheriffs Dept(next to the station) naturally,they saw my polished Colt MK-IV and approached.
I complied,stated I was armed,a permit holder and all the rest. They were VERY NICE about the whole matter and had questions themselves which I gladly answered. NO business in Kenosha that I saw was a "no gun zone" and many store owners wanted info on how to get a permit. I obliged. Id like to say thanks to the Wisconsin DOJ that was very helpful with my questions,the Kenosha County Sheriffs Dept for being professional,and to those that did NOT give up the fight for CCW in WI. There were NO reportable adverse incidents while I was there prracting my CCW rights.(a few raised eyebrows but other than that....) Thanks also to usacarry for its informative postings,laws,and charts that ALWAYS help a lot.

Cort D Chubko
CHICAGO and ARMED

UM ok you must be doing it wrong. If you were CC'ing how did the Sheriffs and store owners even know you were armed? As far as your CCW rights, you defiantly need to keep practicing

Anyways open carry or failed attempt at concealed carry glad it was a good experience for you. Just hope Illinois will see the light sooner rather then later and restore your 2A rights aswell.

 

[cortchubby]

ok.

Well it wasnt being "done wrong" the wind caught the coat.(oops! hahaha)As far as store owners are concerned,many were unaware of the law and the contact was more educational for both parties as opposed to making a political statement. Appreciate your reply and your suggestion to practice more,but I think I did ok.Its better to have open lines of communication with the LE people than to take the more radical approaches to CCW that I have seen out here.
Aside from that,the only issue here is that the "no carry" or "no transport" o trains NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. Specifically the Metra line in Illinois.

Im contacting a law firm since I believe that it IS legal(under 720.5/24 ILCS) to transport weapons in a secure case in Illinois. Once the train is OUTSIDE Illinois,other laws and CCW laws apply. Should they cite 'federal law',the response to that is simple....second amendment.I have carried BOTH openly and concealed on public transportation for the better part of 15 years and this to me is an attempt by the anti gunners at infringement. But I COULD be wrong.(sarcasm "on")
Another focal point here is I dont see how a company policy can over ride LAW. To me this policy violates my rights and those rights of other Lawful Carriers.

 

[mrjam2jab]

Florida is not on the list because the background check needs to be comparable. WI requires both NICBS and a criminal background check. Florida does the criminal background check but since the permit is issued from the Department of Agriculture (not a law enforcement agency) they do not have access to NICBS. Its bogus but that is what the DOJ is using as their argument.

I had heard that too...but last night i then heard the FL AG Dept does INDEED do NICS checks.

Way to go Wisconsin! On 01 Nov 2011, I took the train from Chicago to Kenosha.(gun in locked case of course)Upon arrival to WI I left the train and found a place to arm myself. (I think a lawsuit against these rail companys is in order in that their company policy violates 2A rights) As I left the station I encountered the Kenosha County Sheriffs Dept(next to the station) naturally,they saw my polished Colt MK-IV and approached.
I complied,stated I was armed,a permit holder and all the rest. They were VERY NICE about the whole matter

You do realize WI is not a Must Inform state...?

 

[trophyhunter]

I'm glad Wisconsin Started issuing CCW Permits to its Resident's. Now if Illinois would get thier butts moving, and do the same for thier Resident's.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

Oh heres what I did. I called VA and NH(2 of my other permits) and asked about how they conducted BG checks.they use the NICS system, which complys with WI LAW. I called WI DOJ and was told to submit this information in writing to them which i did.hopefully they (WI) will add NH and VA to the list of approved permits as well.
Sorry for you FL guys that fell for the sales pitch of THAT permit.AZ non resident gives the same and is recognied better than the FL permit. AND only 60 bucks. I would urge all not listed permit holders to check then if appropriate send this info to WI DOJ IN WRITING so that they can be current. Every bit helps.

Thanks for the info. I will apply for an AZ one soon. It is a need for us to go to WI at least once a year for the AirVenture. I wouldn't want to be caught with my pants down there without a permit.

 

[cortchubby]

I know this now....

I had heard that too...but last night i then heard the FL AG Dept does INDEED do NICS checks.




You do realize WI is not a Must Inform state...?

Hey better safe than sorry. Good to know I dont have to inform.
Thanks for the info.