Concealed Carry Is A Bad Idea

[Treo]

Other than those who don't want to show off their hardware, I see no need not to expose my handgun to the public. It's far better when the criminals know exactly who, among the crowd, is armed and fixing to shoot thier azz

Also, open carrying allows us more opportunities to educate the public at large.

(Don't Blame me blame Fire Fighter Chen)

 

[localgirl]

Dammit. You beat me to it.

 

[towboater]

LMAO!

Freakin' 15 blah blahs.....

 

[NavyLCDR]

Treo,

Don't you know that you are supposed to make up a shadow account and make that your one and only post on the forum and then run away like a little kid stealing a cookie?

 

[Boomer79]

I live in Arizona where open carry is allowed, but there is also no permit necessary to carry concealed. I usually carry open, but I also carry an ankle gun. I agree that showing your weapon allows others who might want to do something stupid to reconsider, but at the same time I get sick of every jackass teenager with a gun fetish walking up and drooling over my gun. There are also comfort issues for me being a righty. Carrying open in the car is uncomfortable because the center console makes my gun dig into my side, so I prefer a shoulder rig. However when I'm on my bike I like to carry open cause it makes the cage drivers pay more attention. Its amazing how they dont notice you when your unarmed, but they sure see your gun quickly when you are.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Other than those who don't want to show off their hardware, I see no need not to expose my handgun to the public. It's far better when the criminals know exactly who, among the crowd, is armed and fixing to shoot thier azz

Also, open carrying allows us more opportunities to educate the public at large.

(Don't Blame me blame Fire Fighter Chen)

Well crap, maybe I need to start one, because these ridiculous threads always come in groups.

 

[Iam2Taz]

Oh no! Here come the rebuttals! And it will go on and on and on and on and on... Carry the way ya wants ta carry. JUST CARRY! (and edjamacate da pooblac.) LOL

 

[Dave Nowlin]

The only problem with open carry is your gun becomes a liability. For example. Let's say I'm going to rob a 7/11 and I see you are armed. I will make my way to the register directly behind you, draw my gun and shoot you in the back of the head and then inform the guy behind the counter I am holding him up. After seeing me shoot you in cold blood he will give me whatever he has and you will simply be dead. In Tennessee we are allowed to carry openly or concealed. Ellis Marshall (an attorney who used to teach at the Tennessee Highway Patrol Academy ) did a video we were shown during our CCW class. He made the very points I just mentioned. I know Ellis and he was serious. When we carry concealed, the felon doesn't know who is carrying and that is far more deterrent than seeing you armed.

 

[FatCrotch]

For those that didn't get the joke from treo

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[Treo]

The only problem with open carry is your gun becomes a liability. For example. Let's say I'm going to rob a 7/11 and I see you are armed. I will make my way to the register directly behind you, draw my gun and shoot you in the back of the head and then inform the guy behind the counter I am holding him up.

And I'm sure there are simply scads of examples of this very thing happening that you can cite for us right?

 

[Dave Nowlin]

Treo, are you really that simple minded or just bored and trying to start something. If the logic of what Ellis said fails you, I doubt I can help you. Ellis is a man who was a Tennesse Highway Patrolman who went to law school and got his degree. He was a firearms instructor at the academy and also taught the law as it pertains to a Patrolman's duties. He gave the advice to try and protect people who are carrying. I know him well and he is definitely not anti-gun.

 

[kerb]

Other than those who don't want to show off their hardware, I see no need not to expose my handgun to the public. It's far better when the criminals know exactly who, among the crowd, is armed and fixing to shoot thier azz

Also, open carrying allows us more opportunities to educate the public at large.

(Don't Blame me blame Fire Fighter Chen)

But what if your gun is little?

 

[Firefighterchen]

Other than those who don't want to show off their hardware, I see no need not to expose my handgun to the public. It's far better when the criminals know exactly who, among the crowd, is armed and fixing to shoot thier azz

Also, open carrying allows us more opportunities to educate the public at large.

(Don't Blame me blame Fire Fighter Chen)

But what if your gun is little?

Its not the size that matters, but how you use it. a hit with a pocket pistol is better than a miss with a python...if you know what I mean...

haar haar haar

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[oldbikernky]

Someone who is going to walk up behind you and shoot you in the head is crazy enough to do it regardless of open conceled or unarmed. Just goes to show how you have to be aware of what and who is around.

 

[Treo]

Treo, are you really that simple minded or just bored and trying to start something. If the logic of what Ellis said fails you, I doubt I can help you. Ellis is a man who was a Tennesse Highway Patrolman who went to law school and got his degree. He was a firearms instructor at the academy and also taught the law as it pertains to a Patrolman's duties. He gave the advice to try and protect people who are carrying. I know him well and he is definitely not anti-gun.

I agree that there is some logic to your point but again, if it's such a common occurence why don't we hear about it happening ever ?

 

[towboater]

Carry guns is a bad idea, send yours to me, I'll take care of them.

 

[Firefighterchen]

The only problem with open carry is your gun becomes a liability. For example. Let's say I'm going to rob a 7/11 and I see you are armed. I will make my way to the register directly behind you, draw my gun and shoot you in the back of the head and then inform the guy behind the counter I am holding him up. After seeing me shoot you in cold blood he will give me whatever he has and you will simply be dead. In Tennessee we are allowed to carry openly or concealed. Ellis Marshall (an attorney who used to teach at the Tennessee Highway Patrol Academy ) did a video we were shown during our CCW class. He made the very points I just mentioned. I know Ellis and he was serious. When we carry concealed, the felon doesn't know who is carrying and that is far more deterrent than seeing you armed.

I'm going with treo on this one (that happens a lot right treo?). While I wont deny this scenario, because there are no absolutes, it is an extremely rare occurrence, one might even say much more rare than the concealed carrier being chosen because they seem unarmed.

Dave...would you really pick a 7/11 without scoping the place out first? If you do scope it out, would you pick one that has an armed citizen inside? What about a police officer? If you still decide to rob the place after seeing the potential job hazards, are you saying you would commit murder over a few hundred dollars? If you are willing to commit murder over a few hundred dollars, why don't you just shoot anyone, armed or not, right in front of the cashier to show him you mean business?

Concealed is far more of a deterrent? How so? Because the criminal is going to second guess whether or not you have a firearm? If he reasonably thinks you do have a firearm, do you think he will still pick you? If you think a criminal is not going to pick you based off a chance you might be carrying, how is it that same criminal is going to pick someone they absolutely knows is armed and will fight back?

It does take a simple mind to understand the criminal wants the path of least resistance. Ellis and yourself are complicating that with all the "what if's" that just aren't happening, sorry.

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[Dave Nowlin]

I agree that there is some logic to your point but again, if it's such a common occurence why don't we hear about it happening ever ?

Could it be because most folks don't carry openly? I can't speak of other states but here in Tennessee, I never see anyone carry openly. My permit simply says "handgun carry permit". In fact in the beginning there was a movement to buy badges and carry openly. Gun shops seemed to like the idea as they were going to sell the badges. The idea didn't fly. If you want to be a true deterrent to crime carry concealed. If everyone carried openly, a criminal would simply visit various stores and when he finally entered one where he didn't see any weapons, he would rob that one. Now what typically happens in Tennessee is the criminal waits until there are no customers in the store to commit a robbery. Why? (1) he probably doesn't want witnesses (2) he doesn't know whether or not customers might be armed and really doesn't want to take a chance.

 

[Treo]

I'm going with treo on this one (that happens a lot right treo?).

Why deny the self evident?

FWIW There actually was a case that made the rounds of all the serious gun fori about a year ago in which the robber walked into a 7-11 and was so tunnled visioned out that he walked right by an OC'er who subsequently shot and killed him. I believe this was caught on tape.

 

[Firefighterchen]

If everyone carried openly, a criminal would simply visit various stores and when he finally entered one where he didn't see any weapons, he would rob that one. Now what typically happens in Tennessee is the criminal waits until there are no customers in the store to commit a robbery. Why? (1) he probably doesn't want witnesses (2) he doesn't know whether or not customers might be armed and really doesn't want to take a chance.

DING DING DING we have a winner! That is exactly why we carry openly! It deters the criminal before the crime is ever committed! Would you rather he take the chance you are not armed, forcing you to protect yourself in a reaction of life or death? Not only did the open carry stop the same crime from happening, they did so without having to have all their property confiscated, go through the legal system, get scrutinized by everyone, and much more. The criminals don't want to die, therefore, they will leave me alone, because there is no chances with me, he knows 100% I will fight back and I have the means to do so. That is 100000x more effective of a deterrent than the 50/50 chance I may or may not be carrying a hidden firearm.

Scenarios:
A: 99.9% chance you will have to kill or be killed, because there is an armed citizen.
B: 50/50 chance you will have to kill or be killed, because there might be a citizen hiding a firearm.
C: slim to none if you go into a store with no one but the store owner, that has a no gun's sign/policy.

Which scenario would you pick? If you didn't choose A, that is why we open carry. If you didn't choose B, that is why people carry concealed. If you chose A over B, you are a dangerous person to everyone in society. (not that you are specifically a bad guy, but you as in a general "bad guy" reference)

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