concealed carry in grocery store with F.D.I.C. bank inside!!

[RUGERFAN314]

The habit thank u that's what i wanted to know!

 

[RUGERFAN314]

Is that Missouri law

 

[cgiven1]

Carrying in a bank is legal unless it is prohibited in your state laws or is a posted gun free zone law where the signs carry the force of law.

 

[NavyLCDR]

RUGERFAN314,

Let's try another approach and look at the law in question:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
18 USC 930:

18 USC § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

So....first, look for the 18 USC 930 signs at the entrances to banks. You won't see them. Because being Federally insured does not make a bank a Federal facility because there are no Federal employees there regularly present in the performance of their duties. If it is a Chase bank, the employees get paid by the Chase company, not by the Federal government. Chase is a private company that owns/leases the building and pays the employees there.

Second, you probably have homeowner's or renter's insurance. Does that mean that your insurance company owns and/or operates your home? How about you car insurance company. Do they have any stake in the ownership of your car? NO.

So..... 1. You are truly mistaken about your belief that banks are Federal facilities and you will either be relieved to discover the correct information, or you will just be too stubborn to believe what 99% of gun owners and 100% of lawyers will tell you or

2. You are just trolling us trying to get us to bang our heads against the wall at your feigned ignorance.

If you don't believe you can legally carry in a bank, or a grocery store with a bank, than don't. We just hope you aren't spreading this false information to others who might actually believe it.

 

[RUGERFAN314]

I believe i asked a question! An didn't make a statement right?

 

[95and05]

MO has no law I can find stating banks are gun free unless "properly" posted.

(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee, manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm in vehicles owned by the employer;

 

[ToddR]

Why are people frustrated at you? Because you asked a question, received a valid answer then kept arguing a point. Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer.

That's why you were called a troll.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I believe i asked a question! An didn't make a statement right?

You asked one question followed by 10 mostly incorrect statements. But that's OK, because the discussion does get the CORRECT information out there for people to read.

 

[RUGERFAN314]

Actually i said thanks to habit for providing some info to help me under stand but thanks for all ur input but the habit helped me with what i needed to know

 

[Bozz]

I can't speak for Missouri, but I can tell you in Florida -- Banks are NOT on the prohibited places to carry. Heck, a bank is a perfect place where you should carry.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Actually i said thanks to habit for providing some info to help me under stand but thanks for all ur input but the habit helped me with what i needed to know

Would you please share with us what answer habit provided to you that you accepted?

 

[videokrue]

I Open Carry into my bank here in Colorado Springs, all the time. A few months back the purpose of my visit was to make a complaint on a charge the bank had put on my account.

I sat down with a banker, in her office, and ended up having a really good conversation, while she worked on waving the fee.
Durring my time there, the branch manager was in and out of the room and obviously noticed my sidearm. Though, he didn't mention anything.

When I was standing up to leave, the manager pulled me aside to talk. I presumed about the bank's firearm policies, but he didn't say anything to that effect.
He was impressed by how graciously I had handled myself while interacting with the banker.
Even when they were having problems dropping the charge on my account, he thought it was great how politely I handled myself.

Ultimately, the bank manager offered me a job, working as a teller in his branch.

I had other plans... but still, kind of a neat interaction.

 

[mojoman]

All of the banks in Missouri are federal an u don't want to get caught in them with a firearm

Bummmer but in our's bank youi can.

 

[photodan]

Wow,,, your wrong too! You can carry in any bank in WV unless it is posted by the bank. I take mine in the bank every week.

 

[ben_p]

But the banks do not say they're FDIC offices, they're FDIC insured. This would be the same as me saying because something in my house is insured by State Farm or GEICO that my house would be owned by them as well.

Wells Fargo, TCF, and many, if not most, other banks are not owned by the government and I doubt they operate in federal buildings. As always you should check local and state laws but if it's not a federal building you wouldn't be breaking a federal law.

 

[Dekul34]

Okay, well, if you're worried about fdic being an issue for carrying (it isn't, it's just government insurance/approval for the bank) just find a credit union, they aren't involved with fdic but have their own credit insuring process. As far as the grocery store goes, the grocery store is definitely not a federal building or bank, if there is one inside just don't go into that part if it makes you feel bad.

Carry in banks is legal in most states and it's a good thing, that's one of the places where you are probably far more likely to encounter an armed assailant (bank robber) than elsewhere in your daily life.

 

[BC1]

Not trying to be a **** but its a government building clearly states on there web site it is operated as a independent co! Just cause they operate as a independent doesn't mean there not a government place! Thats like white guys acting black there still white get my point?

FDIC and FSLIC are merely insurances provided by the federal government to a financial institution. If I decide to open a bank in your state I will insure deposits through these plans but the federal government is not the owner of the bank or the property. The premises are privately owned by the financial insution or rented from the building owner. There is a clear distinction between banks and the fed. The laws apply to federal buildings and other locations housing federal agencies such as the VA, SSA, IRS, FBI, HHS, SEC, Homeland Security, etc.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Okay, well, if you're worried about fdic being an issue for carrying (it isn't, it's just government insurance/approval for the bank) just find a credit union, they aren't involved with fdic but have their own credit insuring process.

Just for info:

Your shares at Navy Federal are federally insured.

Your shares at Navy Federal Credit Union are federally insured. Share insurance coverage is provided by the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA), an independent government agency that charters, regulates, and insures federal credit unions. Your shares are backed by our solid financial standing. However, the insurance protects members against loss if a federal credit union fails.

Still does not make Navy Federal Credit Union a Federal facility, nor prohibits firearms there because of the insurance, but it is basically the same insurance, just a different name.

 

[Itstjs]

In Michigan, unless its posted, you can carry into any financial institution, if it is a federal building, again it must be posted, as far as your situation goes, just because its FDIC does not mean anything, FDIC stands for Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation meaning the money is backed by the Federal Reserve in other words it preserves and promotes public confidence in the U.S. financial system by insuring deposits in banks and thrift institutions for at least $250,000. It does not make it a Federal Bank, even if so, the bank RENTS a portion of the Grocery store, and it is only held accountable for the basic area it rents, so if youre shopping, it has nothing to do with the Banking system, vise versa. Hope this helps.

 

[apvbguy]

can you or allowed to shop there?i ask this because if you cant go in a f.d.i.c. bank concealing can you at a grocery store with a f.d.i.c. bank,what's the difference?

I hate to come off sounding mean, but are you kidding me?
being FDIC insured does not make a bank a federal institution so have no fears about buying your groceries