Concealed carry card holders that let their card expire

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samidj9479

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I am from Missouri and have been through the concealed carry course, bought the package, went through the background checks and have since undergone multiple more due to the fact that we are foster parents. I'm not a criminal, I have never even thought about using my firearm for an illegal activity, but because I have one, I am looked on with suspicion. Why is it that the people who want to be responsible are the ones who have to go through the most difficult circumstances when criminals seem to get by easy. I like the idea of open carry because now everyone who would even think about hurting my friends or family while I am around with my firearm in plain sight, hopefully will think twice. And I don't think I should need another card, and all the rigmarole that I went through to get the concealed card, all over again. What do you think?
 
I don't know what the law in MO is, but here in Alabama you don't need any kind of government-granted permission to OC, and yes, most folks who do OC have as one of their top reasons that it has the potential to deter criminals from picking us as their victim.
 
samidj9479,

Since you state that you had the background check (BC) for foster-parenthood after the one for CC and that you complain that you had to go through a background check all over again, I assume you are complaining about the foster parent one. Do a web search on "foster parent molesting child". You will get several hits. It is not all that uncommon. The check is done again to verify your ID and background. I had several BCs in the military and was cleared without a hitch. If I were to apply [to be a foster parent] I would still have to go through another BC to verify I am that same person. ID theft is widespread. There are numerous people throughout the country with the same name. If I do a web search for my name, the first hit is for a sex offender in another state. A thorough BC verifies that I am not that person.
 
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You're lucky that you live in a state that allows foster parents to own guns. Some do not.
 
NavyLCDR said:
I must be missing something.... I'm not seeing the words "background check" anywhere in the 2nd Amendment.
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2nd amendment doest apply to states, is why. See McDonald v Chicago.

Also you have no right to foster or adopt, so even where the state can mandate a background check, they can still make not owning firearms a requirement.
 
Blueshell said:
2nd amendment doest apply to states, is why. See McDonald v Chicago.
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Wrong again. McDonald incorporated the individual right as-ruled in Heller under the Fourteenth Amendment's privileges and immunities and due process clauses as decidedly applying to the States. It is mentioned many times in the McDonald ruling, but following is just one passage where it's made very clear:

(d)The Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms fully applicable to the States. Pp. 19–33
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And if you don't understand how the Fourteenth applies to the Second, then I suggest you read the history that Alito cited in Pages 19-33, alluded to above.

As to the second paragraph of your spewage, the error in your first paragraph is what makes the second paragraph wholly erroneous as well. The Second Amendment protects a fundamental individual right which is enforceable against any and all violations from state or local governments according to the very ruling you based your idiotic statement above on, McDonald v. Chicago.

Blues
 
Now the question becomes when will the 2nd Amendment start gaining equal status with the other 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights? Can a state deny the privilege of being a foster parent based on religion or color of skin? Can a state deny a person the right to vote just because they are a foster parent? So if the state cannot deny the person the right to vote because they are a foster parent, why is it Constitutional and legal for a state to tell a person they must give up their right to bear arms when they are a foster parent?
 
NavyLCDR said:
Now the question becomes when will the 2nd Amendment start gaining equal status with the other 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights? Can a state deny the privilege of being a foster parent based on religion or color of skin? Can a state deny a person the right to vote just because they are a foster parent? So if the state cannot deny the person the right to vote because they are a foster parent, why is it Constitutional and legal for a state to tell a person they must give up their right to bear arms when they are a foster parent?
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I know already that it's not a satisfactory answer to you, but the "when" is answered when the Kolbe case makes it to SCOTUS, the Fourth Circuit is upheld, and strict scrutiny is applied in all Second Amendment court cases from that point forward. That will most certainly not happen unless and until a Republican is elected President, and only then if two things happen - 1)The current Republican-held Senate doesn't cave and let Obama seat another justice to replace Scalia, and 2) The Republican President actually finds a reliably 2A-compliant justice who will uphold the 4C's ruling in Kolbe.

While I agree that varying levels of scrutiny applied to different enumerated rights differently is itself an unconstitutional exercise of SCOTUS's granted authorities, I still answered the question of when 2A rights will be treated the same as other rights accurately. Strict scrutiny has already been applied to every other of the Bill of Rights, so that level of scrutiny is the only thing separating them from all being treated the same.

Blues
 
BluesStringer said:
Strict scrutiny has already been applied to every other of the Bill of Rights, so that level of scrutiny is the only thing separating them from all being treated the same.

Blues
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Until a liberal judge strictly scrutinizes the 2nd Amendment differently than the way he/she would strictly scrutinize the other 9 in the Bill of Rights.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Until a liberal judge strictly scrutinizes the 2nd Amendment differently than the way he/she would strictly scrutinize the other 9 in the Bill of Rights.
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You didn't ask when the 2A would be treated the way you want it to be treated by the courts, you asked when it would be treated the same as the other rights, and I gave you the only true and accurate answer.

The fact is that all rights are treated by the courts the way a baby treats its diaper, it's just that if/when the 2A has the strict scrutiny label attached to it, they'll all still be treated like a baby treats its diaper with the added "bonus" of them all carrying the same unconstitutional label as justifying that kind of treatment.
 
BigSlick said:
In reading that document I find no states that forbid a foster parent from owning a firearm.
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https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/gun...ter-113183144292.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

Some states don't outright disallow gun ownership but have so many restrictions that practically speaking you have no way to carry or use your guns.

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Agencies within the states can vary on how they interpret the rules. Example:

What are the laws for foster parents with guns?
 
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