Concealed Carry at Work - Discovered!

Hello, Registered here just to reply to this thread :)

Back before shall issue in MI became law, I was always carrying a pocket knife of some sort. Mostly because I worked construction with brothers and always was told to carry some kinda knife. (obvious statement to rule 9 of Gibbs rules, Always carry a knife).

Anywho - I had done several jobs where any carry was "bad" and at every interview/etc I always told them to fully explain the rules for me. since some had "weapon" rules, while others listed specific items (knife/gun/etc)

Soo low and behold I was working at a Blockbuster video store - which was in a rather bad area for crime despite being less then 5 miles from my home at the time. I always chose to keep my knife in my pocket. Except one day I wasn't actually working at the store, and was showing the then assistant manager my new knife. Few days go by, another assistant manager asks me to pay for his food, I said no. day later we have another confrontation where he blocks my path and makes a verbal statement of intimidation, finally a third issue where he takes my Company check and looks at it (literately took it from my hand, something he had no right to do) He had been bragging about his recent pay raise, and was not privy to fact I was hired at a higher pay rate then him because of my expertise, I also worked more hours then anyone in store including the then manager. Well fast forward a week or two later and I'm in backroom with someone from HR and her security goon (I say goon cause he looked like one, all muscle, little brain) and asked about having a knife, which at the time I said yes, I normally carry a knife. But wasn't that day, nor did I after the manager told me not to. Only day I did was a day I wasn't even working. Soo I get told im fired, I said Ok no problem. Basically the Assistant manager found a reason to get rid of me. Oddly enough both the then Main manager, and the one assistant manager who was my friend agreed he had a Vendetta against me for making more money then he did. Soo my knife carrying provided his way to get me fired. and if I had to do it over, I would have had written paperwork as to saying my Knife was ok or if I had it my Pistol was ok.. as I refuse to be disarmed now.

Honestly my issue at the time was, their weapon rules didn't really explain what a weapon was. To me anything can be constitute a weapon if used with intent to harm. I didn't agree to that on my application, and even had another section removed from my hiring agreement (an issue about anything I would invent, they could take ownership of even if I did it at home). But in the end I still feel better, as I stopped renting at blockbuster, and few years go by and Ive heard that the place was robbed twice, someone had shot out 2 of the front windows, and generally the place was closed down and all workers sent to other locations. I felt better about my choice to continue to carry because of those events, and below event.

I had an uncle who worked as head of security/in security at a Car manufacturing plant, was a retired Police officer, and by company policy was disarmed - Well that made headlines awhile back when he was murdered by a guy who had gotten recently fired, and otherwise in trouble for his interactions with a female employee who was also working that day. Current law would allow him to carry anywhere in state as retired LEO, but the company policy still would prohibit it (probably still does for all I know).

So I have been a CPL holder since MI went shall issue, and I refuse to work for any company that asks me to Disarm to work for them. Kinda limits my choices for jobs, but I feel safer then being in a position where I cannot defend myself. As far too many placed that are "weapons free zones" seem to end up the places most likely to have events happen that make "news"

Well just happy your all right,
But I've always said, "I was looking for a good place to work, but found this place instead!"
Hope you find a place where they let their employees protect themselves!:pleasantry:
 
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My company, based in Illinois, which does not permit CC, has a policy stating "...Prohibited conduct includes any act of physical aggression and/or any statement, which could be perceived as intent to cause physical harm, sabotage or destruction of property. This prohibition includes menacing gestures, stalking, possessing or bringing weapons on <company name> property...." We have offices all over the US. In my state (NC), you can CC with few exceptions, and businesses/offices must post a "No Weapons" sign if you cannot carry there. Since neither my office building, nor my office, have one of those signs, I choose to CC, as I frequently come in early when no one else is around. No one knows, but I don't think the policy can trump state law, unless my company chooses to post the signs.
 
My place of employment has no stated policy concerning weapons. I carry CONCEALED every day. That means no one knows because it is not evident. Not to say that someone couldn't necessarily figure it out if they saw the crosses on the belt clips...but you would have to be familiar with a certain holster manufacturer. Keep it concealed and have one in the pipe IMO.
 
My company, based in Illinois, which does not permit CC, has a policy stating "...Prohibited conduct includes any act of physical aggression and/or any statement, which could be perceived as intent to cause physical harm, sabotage or destruction of property. This prohibition includes menacing gestures, stalking, possessing or bringing weapons on <company name> property...." We have offices all over the US. In my state (NC), you can CC with few exceptions, and businesses/offices must post a "No Weapons" sign if you cannot carry there. Since neither my office building, nor my office, have one of those signs, I choose to CC, as I frequently come in early when no one else is around. No one knows, but I don't think the policy can trump state law, unless my company chooses to post the signs.

Company policy does not trump state law, but it does trump employment. State laws allowing CC do not provide any protection against being fired if you violate policy on weapons in the workplace.

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I'm so glad I own my own business, well with 2 partners. We all carry and are a gun friendly business. God forbid some one trys anything at our place. :dance3: :lol: :happy:
 
Just curious. Do ethics or honesty come into play at all? It doesn't speak well of a person's character if he or she intentionally defies an employer's policy. At least that's my thought.

There is only three types of ethical loyalties. Listed below are the loyalties ranked in importance.

Loyalty #1: You have to be loyal to yourself. You must be true to yourself, follow your beliefs, and limit the influence others have on you.

Loyalty #2: You have an ethical responsibility to be truthful, respectful, and loyal to your friends and family. They in turn are expected and responsible returning the loyalty to you.

Loyalty #3: You have a responsibility and expectation to be loyal to your employer but they do not, in return, have to be loyal to you. To your employer you are disposable and there is no true reciprocity.

Your loyalty to yourself is more important than to your employer. If you believe you should be allowed to carry at work then you should do so and not feel the slightest bit guilty of doing so.
 
There is only three types of ethical loyalties. Listed below are the loyalties ranked in importance.

Loyalty #1: You have to be loyal to yourself. You must be true to yourself, follow your beliefs, and limit the influence others have on you.

Loyalty #2: You have an ethical responsibility to be truthful, respectful, and loyal to your friends and family. They in turn are expected and responsible returning the loyalty to you.

Loyalty #3: You have a responsibility and expectation to be loyal to your employer but they do not, in return, have to be loyal to you. To your employer you are disposable and there is no true reciprocity.

Your loyalty to yourself is more important than to your employer. If you believe you should be allowed to carry at work then you should do so and not feel the slightest bit guilty of doing so.

Lets think about number one for a minute.

Follow your beliefs, and limit the influence others have on you. That's what you said.
Why then would you let your employer's lack of loyalty to you influence you to carry, when clearly they don't want you to?
What if your employer were your friend? Would you carry against his wishes then?



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I'm an Emt-I, hospital based ambulance service. I have a cwp. @ work there are lots of policies. If anyone is caught CCing, they would be immediately terminated...

Well, in my not so humble opinion, that is just assinine (sp?). Your job CAN be dangerous, they should not be denying your right. While I can see why they would prefer you not carry (someone taking the weapon, it getting in the way while you are working, etc), but I do not see the reason for immediate termination. Glad I do not work for them.
 

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