Concealed Carry at Work - Discovered!

Monkey9, I like what you said: "It may be a right to carry, but not always wise." That's really the issue: Right vs Wise. Or, Right (the noun) vs Right (the adjective).

This mentality makes me sick...I have no hope for the BoR with it around...

Just curious. Do ethics or honesty come into play at all? It doesn't speak well of a person's character if he or she intentionally defies an employer's policy. At least that's my thought.

Ethics and honesty are important virtues, but self preservation is always the first law. If you're dead the other virtues are insignificant.

So here's what I'm taking away from what most of you guys are saying...

I'm currently waiting for my CCW permit to arrive in the mail. Unfortunately I have several weeks left. As the general consensus of this discussion is that self preservation and my "right" to CCW outweighs the need for ethics, honesty, and following laws/policy...should I just start carrying now? Why have I even taken the time and spent the money to lawfully obtain a permit if I don't intend to use it legally/responsibly?

I'm not here to tell you what you should do or not do, no one here should, it's up to you whether or not you want to carry right now. I don't think it would be wrong of you to start now despite any laws saying how illegal it is, but just realize the powers at hand can and will screw your life if they find out. I have friends and family who carry in CA, concealed, no permit because their individual rights trump unconstitutional law...someone has a problem with it? I don't care my family's life is more important than anyone's opinion...

What do you guys think about random drug testing? I feel I could carry at work, out of sight out of mind, that is until I get a random drug test...so much for trust at the work place...
 
At one time, not too long ago, I worked part-time driving an 18 wheeler for a company that delivered items to various stores at hours between about 3 AM and 10 AM in places like New Orleans. They had a no Firearms policy. You could have one in your personal vehicle, as specified in La. Law, but it had to stay locked in your car on the parking lot. No firearms in company buildings or vehicles. Most drivers carried a backpack with maps, log books, paperwork, lunch, a bottle of water, whatever in it. I had a secret pocket where I carried a titanium snubby and 2 speed strips. In addition I carried a NAA 22 Mag Mini Revolver in my pocket. I kept my mouth SHUT. I didn't discuss firearms at work. Any firearms discussions that came up, I played dumb. I did this for a little over 2 years before leaving the job. I'm sure there were others, but it never came up. There were two occassions, when my gut told me to leave them in the car. Something made me uneasy. Nothing happened those days, but for some reason I felt "uneasy" about having them, as if they would be discovered or something. Other than that, my time there while carrying was totally event free.
If you feel you must do it, keep your mouth shut. Even to your closest buddies. Word WILL get around. Be VERY discreet.
 
When I had my Real Estate firm all my agents carried. My Appraisal firm just a couple of guys all carry, my company policy was protect yourself, women agents showing property alone liked my policy.
 
The fact it's a hospital setting doesn't mean you're safe from gunfire... in fact, one of the places where several incidents of gunfire have taken place in my area is at the main entrance to the hospital of a major local medical center, where gang bangers went to finish their incomplete disagreements, complete with continued gunfire. That said, most hospitals have no-guns policies.

I'm fully aware of gangs coming into hospitals to finish the job. It happens here and everywhere else. But, the no firearm policy makes sense. I care for patients. The last thing I need is to be caring for/ handling a patient and have them going for my firearm. In close quarters. Some are actually okay, some would freak, some are mentally ill. My ethics say to follow policy or get another job. We do have armed security, almost all are local policemen. I wouldn't carry concealed until I got my CCL. Just following the law. Outside work: I don't go anywhere that doesn't allow me to carry.
 
CCW at Work

I work in a medical practice and our employees with CCW permits may carry at work as long as it is secured. This stipulation was recently added to our employee handbook. They must provide proof of CCW.
 
no one at work ever talks about whether someone should have a gun at work or not.the owner brings one into the office when working late.i have have brief conversation with him that i also have my ccw or what superintendent keeps one in their truck.or there have been conversations between employees on what they have or what keeps them from carrying.the only things that stick out to me is the owners son(a helper at the company)will ask if i have one in the truck right now(i say no),or a coworker saying "why carry ? cause you aint gonna shoot anyone.otherwise the people around me seem to have the attitude that the law says i can carry so carry on.
 
Used to work for a burglar alarm company. Service techs would respond to alarms in the wee hours - often before police since there were so many false alarms the cops gave alarm response a low priority. Company had a policy against carrying firearms on the job. All the techs still carried anyway. One night a tech was checking a business after an alarm and before police arrived. The old fashioned Coca Cola machine made a sudden sound and he whirled around and shot it. Embarrassing, and he was teased by his peers, but management never made an issue of his having the pistol while working. They understood. There are lots of rules on any job - not all are enforced.
 
Every time this topic (in whatever variation) comes up I same the same thing; if you choose to carry at work there is no reason to tell anyone you work with regardless of how close you may or may not be to them. Once you tell one person regardless of who it is only a matter of time before everyone you work with knows it.

The easiest way to avoid the conflicts you mention is to simply keep it to yourself that you are carrying

Agree completely. Because several of us at work go to the range together and have gone to gun shows it is well known at work that I have a good number of weapons and carry as a norm. Our company has a strict no carry policy, due to sate law we can have it in the car, but no carry in the office. When I have been asked by the guys I shoot with my answer has been and will always be no, I follow company policy always. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
Used to work for a burglar alarm company. Service techs would respond to alarms in the wee hours - often before police since there were so many false alarms the cops gave alarm response a low priority. Company had a policy against carrying firearms on the job. All the techs still carried anyway. One night a tech was checking a business after an alarm and before police arrived. The old fashioned Coca Cola machine made a sudden sound and he whirled around and shot it. Embarrassing, and he was teased by his peers, but management never made an issue of his having the pistol while working. They understood. There are lots of rules on any job - not all are enforced.

People like that shouldn't carry guns, sorry. One needs to be certain of their target.
 
your bowing down to illegal infringement of a God-given right, recognised by our Constitution. Bottom line: the RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. When someone/thing comes along and infringes that basic, God-given right, guess what trumps which?

Roe vs Wade made it "legal" to murder unborn babies. Does that change God's law and make it "right"? How about Massachussetts, "legalising" what thney call "marriage" between two people of the same sex. Does that redefine "marriage" as established by God at the beginnning? How aobut we all agree to henceforth refer to a huge (about three or four tonnes weight) grey quadruped mammal with a long, flexible appendage in front, hanging down between two large (maybe six foot long?) white tooth-like structures, as an "ant". We all agree this would be a good thing. Now, does that MAKE the elephant BECOME an ant? Of course not.

Now, back to arms restrictions.... the law is no law because it contradicts our Constitution. Thus, it need not be obeyed. Then, one has the decision to openly defy policy and carry boldly, risking getting fired, or being quiet, deceitful, about it and protecting one's rights AND one's means of support.. that is a personal decision I cannot make for anyonne else. Nor will I judge another for going either way with it.

Ethics definitely do come into play.... but lets begin with the ethics of the one unlawfully restricting the rights of those in his employ. Honesty? Let's call a spade a spade.... the greater law of our right to arms is being tossed in favour of the presonal preference of management. Yet they will NOT ever admit to being outside the law, or ethics. The dishonesty commences with the restrictions. I will match their dishonesty about the denial of MY right to arms with my dishonesty inn order to retain my position. I harm no one, their decision DOES harm those too timid to stand for their rights against the system.

Whoa! spell check on isle 1!

Add a dose of Prozac to it as well!
 
People like that shouldn't carry guns, sorry. One needs to be certain of their target.
I agree. But, the real culprit was the alarm company, who obviously knew their employees could be facing deadly situations, and turned a blind eye to it rather than aknowledge it and provide proper tools (weapons) and training. Had that been the owner or the janitor instead oD a coke machine, the employee would have probably gone to prison and the alarm company would have been sued out of existence.
 
Good point K7lvo. The alarm company was a very large national corporation. I'm sure they were worried about lawsuits. They have since gotten out of the burglar alarm business. Would make sense that liability potential may have been one of the reasons.
 
God-given right, recognized by our Constitution. Bottom line: the RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. When someone/thing comes along and infringes that basic, God-given right, guess what trumps which?

I'm no historian, but I'm pretty sure GOD didn't write the Constitution.

Now, back to arms restrictions.... the law is no law because it contradicts our Constitution. Thus, it need not be obeyed.

Laws don't require YOU to approve of them. If you carry and break a law you CAN and WILL be held criminally liable. Carry a gun in NYC, then start quoting the constitution from your jail cell. Right or not doesn't mean anything. Your an idiot to sit hear telling people they don't need to obey laws, the biggest thing LEGAL gun owners have going for us it we a typically the most law abiding citizens around. Then somebody like you comes up and destroys that. You are fuel for the antis fire, congratulations.

As far as people not carrying due to "policy" that's a different story. (Unless policy = law in their state). Anybody that puts their job in front of their life is an idiot....sorry. Being yelled at, suspended, fired is all better than being DEAD! That's when concealed means CONCEALED comes into play. Anybody that gets "Caught" concealing obviously wasn't concealing very well! Which is due to people who refuse to acknowledge there are different guns and different holsters FOR A REASON. You don't say "I need to make sure nobody see's my gun" and then proceed to stick a Fullsize 1911 in your pants!
 
Carry at work

I carry at work all day. Everyone knows and no one has a single problem with it. In fact the owner welcomes it. I am also the only employee that does carry. I am not treated any different than before when I did not carry by anyone there than I am treated now. I am still the same guy, nothing has changed.

And shouldn't change who you are. It just makes you more able to protect yourself and others should you elect too.
Your CCW is a tool. Employers who don't recognize this are losing out on the security that CC employees give. An employee that feels secure works better. Why gas stations and convenience stores don't let they're cashiers carry (if they want to) is beyond me...as long as theiy're trained.
I wouldn't work for $8 an hour with all the robberies they have. Well just my .02 worth.
 
I drive a truck in 48 states. Our terminal manager approves of my choice to carry. I have to leave it in the truck while in Il. and Mn. but everywhere else its with me.
 
In Kentucky I work for the state and it's legal to carry CC in a state office building. I do carry at work and two others in my area do too. Almost all of the people I work with know I have a gun concealed at all times. One day I was on a hurry and forgot to tuck my P-220 under my shirt. Only one person reminded me I hadn't tucked my gun and no one else noticed or said nothing.
No reprocussion what ever from that incedent.
 
Hello, Registered here just to reply to this thread :)

Back before shall issue in MI became law, I was always carrying a pocket knife of some sort. Mostly because I worked construction with brothers and always was told to carry some kinda knife. (obvious statement to rule 9 of Gibbs rules, Always carry a knife).

Anywho - I had done several jobs where any carry was "bad" and at every interview/etc I always told them to fully explain the rules for me. since some had "weapon" rules, while others listed specific items (knife/gun/etc)

Soo low and behold I was working at a Blockbuster video store - which was in a rather bad area for crime despite being less then 5 miles from my home at the time. I always chose to keep my knife in my pocket. Except one day I wasn't actually working at the store, and was showing the then assistant manager my new knife. Few days go by, another assistant manager asks me to pay for his food, I said no. day later we have another confrontation where he blocks my path and makes a verbal statement of intimidation, finally a third issue where he takes my Company check and looks at it (literately took it from my hand, something he had no right to do) He had been bragging about his recent pay raise, and was not privy to fact I was hired at a higher pay rate then him because of my expertise, I also worked more hours then anyone in store including the then manager. Well fast forward a week or two later and I'm in backroom with someone from HR and her security goon (I say goon cause he looked like one, all muscle, little brain) and asked about having a knife, which at the time I said yes, I normally carry a knife. But wasn't that day, nor did I after the manager told me not to. Only day I did was a day I wasn't even working. Soo I get told im fired, I said Ok no problem. Basically the Assistant manager found a reason to get rid of me. Oddly enough both the then Main manager, and the one assistant manager who was my friend agreed he had a Vendetta against me for making more money then he did. Soo my knife carrying provided his way to get me fired. and if I had to do it over, I would have had written paperwork as to saying my Knife was ok or if I had it my Pistol was ok.. as I refuse to be disarmed now.

Honestly my issue at the time was, their weapon rules didn't really explain what a weapon was. To me anything can be constitute a weapon if used with intent to harm. I didn't agree to that on my application, and even had another section removed from my hiring agreement (an issue about anything I would invent, they could take ownership of even if I did it at home). But in the end I still feel better, as I stopped renting at blockbuster, and few years go by and Ive heard that the place was robbed twice, someone had shot out 2 of the front windows, and generally the place was closed down and all workers sent to other locations. I felt better about my choice to continue to carry because of those events, and below event.

I had an uncle who worked as head of security/in security at a Car manufacturing plant, was a retired Police officer, and by company policy was disarmed - Well that made headlines awhile back when he was murdered by a guy who had gotten recently fired, and otherwise in trouble for his interactions with a female employee who was also working that day. Current law would allow him to carry anywhere in state as retired LEO, but the company policy still would prohibit it (probably still does for all I know).

So I have been a CPL holder since MI went shall issue, and I refuse to work for any company that asks me to Disarm to work for them. Kinda limits my choices for jobs, but I feel safer then being in a position where I cannot defend myself. As far too many placed that are "weapons free zones" seem to end up the places most likely to have events happen that make "news"
 

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