Concealed Carry at Work - Discovered!

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WingRider

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Evening, all.

Here's a question I've been pondering and thought I'd share. Let me frame it a bit to hopefully contain the discussion.

1. I'm not looking for legal advice or a dissertation on my rights. These are out of scope for the discussion.
2. I'm certain many of you carry concealed at work.
3. Like me, I'm certain you work with sheeple who wet their pants and run to HR at the first sign of a gun.
4. I work in a University setting which now affords me (and students) the right to carry concealed (with permit) thanks to the Colorado Supreme Court.
5. This is not a discussion about various Colorado Universities and how they continue to attempt to limit rights of lawful citizens.

So, what do I want to know?

In YOUR work environment, or through friends who lawfully carry, have you ever been (or heard of being) approached by Police, HR, your boss, other Executive, or somebody else because a complaint was filed or the issue raised as to WHY you have a gun at work? For instance, imagine sitting in your office, or cube, or dump truck, and you're suddenly invited to a meeting with your boss, HR, the company President, and a policeman (or 5). They inquire as to your weapon. You're legal. No question. You are NOT breaking any laws. They can't fire you for it.

What was the outcome? Did you start missing promotions? Did some sheeple quit or transfer? Did 'everybody' learn that you carried? Were you treated differently, maybe not part of 'the group' anymore? See where I'm going with this? I'm interested in the cultural change within the work environment and how it affected the concealed carrier, negatively or positively or whatever.

Thanks for your responses,

WingRider
 
Funny this post came up, a co-worker and I were just discussing this last week. Our company has a no weapons policy. In our store though the managers don't care(or just close their eyes to it) certain managers carry anyway and at least a half dozen others carry at times. I carry at times, (not on my person,in my position it wouldn't work.) It's kind of like we have an unwritten rule that it's ok but if the SHTF anyone caught would be fired. Better to be jobless and save someones or your own life than worry about it. Funny we all know the managers would deny any knowledge of anyone carrying and let someone go even though they carry too. By the way I never admit to anyone that has asked if I'm carrying or not. Deny deny deny. We do have a policy in place so if anyone asks, I just tell them Of course not, it's not allowed.
 
Just curious. Do ethics or honesty come into play at all? It doesn't speak well of a person's character if he or she intentionally defies an employer's policy. At least that's my thought.
 
I carry at work all day. Everyone knows and no one has a single problem with it. In fact the owner welcomes it. I am also the only employee that does carry. I am not treated any different than before when I did not carry by anyone there than I am treated now. I am still the same guy, nothing has changed.
 
I'm an Emt-I, hospital based ambulance service. I have a cwp. @ work there are lots of policies. If anyone is caught CCing, they would be immediately terminated. On the nights I work, i don't even place my gun in my car out of fear of being fired. On work nights I have my smith & Wesson ck5 pocket knife with me.
 
Before retirement, I worked in a plant that made explosives. The company had a zero tolerance for guns on plant, even for our security people. They did have a safe at the security gate for checking firearms, lighters etc with no repurcussions. They even sponsored weekend trapshoots for employees and family. But not on plant. And among my fellow workers, anyone who didn't have firearms was considered the oddity.
 
dcselby1 said:
Just curious. Do ethics or honesty come into play at all? It doesn't speak well of a person's character if he or she intentionally defies an employer's policy. At least that's my thought.
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That's the employers policy, not necessarily the employees...
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I carry at my work. And by carry I mean leave it in my briefcase. Usually it's just me in the office and we have an open door policy to the public. I think you see where I'm going here; just me. No boss beside me, people I don't know. I'm gonna have it with me. And I keep one in the chamber as well.
 
your bowing down to illegal infringement of a God-given right, recognised by our Constitution. Bottom line: the RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. When someone/thing comes along and infringes that basic, God-given right, guess what trumps which?

Roe vs Wade made it "legal" to murder unborn babies. Does that change God's law and make it "right"? How about Massachussetts, "legalising" what thney call "marriage" between two people of the same sex. Does that redefine "marriage" as established by God at the beginnning? How aobut we all agree to henceforth refer to a huge (about three or four tonnes weight) grey quadruped mammal with a long, flexible appendage in front, hanging down between two large (maybe six foot long?) white tooth-like structures, as an "ant". We all agree this would be a good thing. Now, does that MAKE the elephant BECOME an ant? Of course not.

Now, back to arms restrictions.... the law is no law because it contradicts our Constitution. Thus, it need not be obeyed. Then, one has the decision to openly defy policy and carry boldly, risking getting fired, or being quiet, deceitful, about it and protecting one's rights AND one's means of support.. that is a personal decision I cannot make for anyonne else. Nor will I judge another for going either way with it.

Ethics definitely do come into play.... but lets begin with the ethics of the one unlawfully restricting the rights of those in his employ. Honesty? Let's call a spade a spade.... the greater law of our right to arms is being tossed in favour of the presonal preference of management. Yet they will NOT ever admit to being outside the law, or ethics. The dishonesty commences with the restrictions. I will match their dishonesty about the denial of MY right to arms with my dishonesty inn order to retain my position. I harm no one, their decision DOES harm those too timid to stand for their rights against the system.
 
I worked as a COnstruction Superintendent for a company here in AZ. When the boss heard I was going to get my Carry permit (WAS required before) he told me I could have it in my truck, just not with me "ON" the job site. Well, one Saturday I stopped in to look at a couple things, and a crew showed up to do some work and saw it on my side in OC status. They started making "jokes" about how I could shoot their "A$$%(le boss" (their words not mine) if he decided to piss me off. I explained that a firearm is NOT used for that reason, and the ONLY time I would use it would be if a life was in danger during attack, blah blah blah. Well, I am in the office Sunday to pick up papers, and guess who's there? The boss. And you guessed it, he heard I had the firearm on and was seen by a crew ON the job site. I gave him the whole /correct story, and he lectured me and said "don't do it again." Now that I am no longer working for him, and own my own Self Defense Firearms Training company, he has mentioned taking a CCW class from me.
 
Infringement means by the government. Contracts made between people are a different story. If you take a job and the rules are that no guns are allowed on the premises, as part of your employment, you have agreed to it. It's voluntary. You don't have to abide by it and they don't have to employ you baring a contract on employment, but violation of policy can void the contract. It's just like when a business has a policy of no guns on the premises. It's there business and property, not yours.

As far as Roe V. Wade goes, it was bad law, even if you agree with the pro-choice argument. As far as god's law, I didn't see him petition before the supreme court either. Such affairs are left to men.
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Even though I am a NRA certed instructor and I activly teach Colorado CCW and have taught dozens of my coworkers, my work has never approached me about my possibly conceal-carrying at work. Possibly because it is a very clear policy that all weapons are banned from our workplace. The policy goes so far as to denying workers from bringing weapons "onto company property" (although no cars have ever been asked to be searched). There have never been any negative issues related to my CCW teaching. In fact, there have been several positive interactions from management and co-workers.
 
WingRider said:
Evening, all.

Here's a question I've been pondering and thought I'd share. Let me frame it a bit to hopefully contain the discussion.

1. I'm not looking for legal advice or a dissertation on my rights. These are out of scope for the discussion.
2. I'm certain many of you carry concealed at work.
3. Like me, I'm certain you work with sheeple who wet their pants and run to HR at the first sign of a gun.
4. I work in a University setting which now affords me (and students) the right to carry concealed (with permit) thanks to the Colorado Supreme Court.
5. This is not a discussion about various Colorado Universities and how they continue to attempt to limit rights of lawful citizens.

So, what do I want to know?

In YOUR work environment, or through friends who lawfully carry, have you ever been (or heard of being) approached by Police, HR, your boss, other Executive, or somebody else because a complaint was filed or the issue raised as to WHY you have a gun at work? For instance, imagine sitting in your office, or cube, or dump truck, and you're suddenly invited to a meeting with your boss, HR, the company President, and a policeman (or 5). They inquire as to your weapon. You're legal. No question. You are NOT breaking any laws. They can't fire you for it.

What was the outcome? Did you start missing promotions? Did some sheeple quit or transfer? Did 'everybody' learn that you carried? Were you treated differently, maybe not part of 'the group' anymore? See where I'm going with this? I'm interested in the cultural change within the work environment and how it affected the concealed carrier, negatively or positively or whatever.

Thanks for your responses,

WingRider
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You can be fired for anything. You may try to assert your right to work or file discriminatory practices complaints through the EEOC, court (civil rights) or union. But basically when I wanted an employee out... he' was out. I wasn't required to provide a reason.

Colorado Senate Bill 100 (Right to Work) died in the Senate Business, Labor and Technology Committee. SB 100 was sponsored by Tea Party State Senator Tim Neville.
 
tionico said:
your bowing down to illegal infringement of a God-given right, recognised by our Constitution. Bottom line: the RIGHT to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed. When someone/thing comes along and infringes that basic, God-given right, guess what trumps which?
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Ahhh. You're fired. Here's your severance pay, outstanding vacation and sick pay and record of employment. I'll escort you to the door. You violated my policy therefor your future with my company is no longer tenable. If you disagree I suggest you contact an attorney. He'll be told "I just won't be needing you anymore." Period. If you cause trouble or refuse to leave I'll file a trespass charge. Who do you think wins?

Absolutely not illegal. My property, my rules. Very clear in numerous court decisions. The rights of a private property owner prevail... thank God! You're second amendment rights aren't being violated as you have the free will to seek employment or take your business elsewhere. Refusal to leave or disarm when asked by a private owner will usually result in a charge for criminal trespass. NO ONE carries on my property and no explanations as to why are given. You also don't have a first amendment right on private property. Go on down to the local mall, set up a soapbox and start talking politics. You'll be asked to stop by security. Refuse and you'll be asked to leave. Refuse to leave and you'll be arrested for trespass. When you get to your arraignment continue to refuse to shut-up and you'll be charged with criminal contempt. Continue talking despite the contempt charge and they might tape your mouth like they did to Larry Flynt.

Disagree, hate me for it, whatever, but I'm 100% legally correct on this issue. Exercise your rights elsewhere.
 
I work in the military. Federal law and Army regulations prohibit me from carrying at work. So sad, even our military folks can't carry unless out of uniform and off post.
 
I work for a hospital. I would NEVER carry at work. Not only is it against policy, I can see why it could be a problem. I know security's number by heart. It may be a right to carry, but not always wise. Just saying
 
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