Complicated CCW multiple state question

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Drew14559

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I have a really interesting and complicated question and was hoping to find out if it was legal to do what I am thinking about doing. For starters I have a resident NY CCL and a nonresident Florida and Utah CCL. We are planning on taking a trip this summer and I would like to plan things around what I am actually able to do. We are going to be flying to Florida to pick up a car and see some sights then drive to Tennessee where we want to look at some homes so that we can relocate from. After about a week between Florida and Tennessee we will be driving back to NY. My question is with my Florida non resident permit could I purchase a handgun in that state or anywhere in the area and carry it back to the PA and NY border where I can go to a FFL and turn in the pistol where he/she can send it to my local gun shop and then it can be placed on my NY permit. I don't want to take a handgun on the flight because most of them go through NYC and it is a real hassle at the area airports also. Anyone have any thoughts or advice? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Andrew
 
you can buy the gun in florida but the store must ship it to ny dealer then there u will do extra paper work and pay the ny dealer the transfer fee
 
then u must take the bill of sales to the towns permit office and wait about a week for the judge to sign off on it . then they will add the gun to your permit . then u can carry it in nys
 
just remember u can buy a gun any were but u just cant take it with u .
the store u buy it from must ship it to a ffl dealer in ur home state.

thats nys not sure of other states

hope it helps ur ?
 
I'm not worried about carrying it in NYS because that will be transferred from a dealer in PA to a local one in NY then I will do all the paperwork. I will not be bringing the pistol into NY at all. I was just wondering about purchasing a handgun in Florida and having it with me to drive back over the course of two weeks while the wife and I are driving a new car back from Florida. All the states we are planning to go through recognize either my Florida or Utah CCL. I am just unsure about being able to purchase a handgun in Florida with a non resident permit. It will be turned into an FFL in northern PA before I get to NY and they will send it to my local FFL shop. I am planning on asking one of the local gunsmiths about the transfer and if they would recommend anyone around the border. Or even at the right price sell it to a gun shop in PA and not have to worry about the NY hassle at all. Just worried about driving with the wife around in a new car in areas that I have never been. If I had the time I would rent a car and drive down just to carry my own but would rather spend the extra time sightseeing on the way back.
 
Is the no because where ever I purchase the handgun will have to ship it to a local shop in NY even though I am in a state that issued me a non resident CCL?
 
Not to sure sorry can't help. In Michigan we just walk in show our permits buy the gun holster it walk out. We then have 10 days to drop the registration off at the county sherriff records department. After 30 days we no longer have to carry the registration on person.
 
Too much hassle. Just wait till you move. Buy it then. Walk in walk out. Shooting range. Life is good. America still exist in some places.

From PA.
 
Drew14559 said:
Is the no because where ever I purchase the handgun will have to ship it to a local shop in NY even though I am in a state that issued me a non resident CCL?
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Now you've got it. The federal law requires the weapon(s) you purchase be shipped to an FFL holder in your state of residence. The carry permits issued to you are irrelevant in this scenario as they do not make you a resident of those states.
 
Drew14559 said:
Is the no because where ever I purchase the handgun will have to ship it to a local shop in NY even though I am in a state that issued me a non resident CCL?
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The answer is no because Federal law prohibits it.

18 USC 922 (b)(3) prohibits a dealer from transferring a handgun to a non-resident:

18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts
(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee’s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States
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18 USC 922 (a)(5) prohibits a non-dealer from transferring any firearm to a non-resident:

18 USC § 922 - Unlawful acts
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides
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If you brought the handgun back into NY that you purchased out of state, or a rifle or shotgun that you bought from a non-dealer out of state, you would violate 18 USC 922 (a)(3).
 
NavyLCDR said:
The answer is no because Federal law prohibits it.

18 USC 922 (b)(3) prohibits a dealer from transferring a handgun to a non-resident:



18 USC 922 (a)(5) prohibits a non-dealer from transferring any firearm to a non-resident:



If you brought the handgun back into NY that you purchased out of state, or a rifle or shotgun that you bought from a non-dealer out of state, you would violate 18 USC 922 (a)(3).
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LMMFAO- had a suspicion before I got to page 2 and it was of course correct. Apparently the other correct answers weren't enough.....
 
So now after a day it finally gets through my thick skull. I can only purchase and walk out of the place with the handgun that day is in my own state. I am thick in the head at times. Thank you ll for the help.
 
Rich_S said:
LMMFAO- had a suspicion before I got to page 2 and it was of course correct. Apparently the other correct answers weren't enough.....
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And exactly what is wrong with posting the factual source of the information? Maybe some readers like to see what real statutes say vice personal opinions so they can make informed decisions for themselves, rather than going with other people's mere opinions.
 
Drew14559 said:
So now after a day it finally gets through my thick skull. I can only purchase and walk out of the place with the handgun that day is in my own state. I am thick in the head at times. Thank you ll for the help.
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Is there a reason to not take a handgun that you already own with you?
 
NavyLCDR said:
Is there a reason to not take a handgun that you already own with you?
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Many of the flights to Florida go through NYC and even as a county issued NYS CCL it is not valid in NYC and it would cause a whole world of trouble for me. It's mostly my paranoia about taking the handgun that I own on the plane combined with any flights that go through NYC. I am a firm believer in getting any and all information before planning a trip and having a handgun, it's common sense to be prepared. I will look for different flights that avoid the city in a few months when we will be planning out our trip. Thank you again for all the legal information it really helped me understand why and I really appreciated it. Thanks again for all the information.
 
NavyLCDR said:
And exactly what is wrong with posting the factual source of the information? Maybe some readers like to see what real statutes say vice personal opinions so they can make informed decisions for themselves, rather than going with other people's mere opinions.
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What's wrong with an arrogant self important blowhard who likes to pretend he's an expert on all things firearms but actually has absolutely nothing other than the ability to cut and paste links?
 
Rich_S said:
What's wrong with an arrogant self important blowhard who likes to pretend he's an expert on all things firearms but actually has absolutely nothing other than the ability to cut and paste links?
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I don't know. If I meet anyone meeting that description I'll ask them. I would ask you but you have never posted a link to any factual information.
 
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