How many innocent people in this country including on this site that have cooperated with police and ended up charged with a crime? It is not being disrespectfull nor confrontational to tell a cop you choose to exercise your rights. You can NOT be charged for exercising your rights. The rights listed in our Constitution are there to protect us. Ever notice how TV cop shows almost always potray anyone who chooses to exercise their rights in a negative way? Why is this? Why does the bad guy on TV always confess everything and then ask for a lawyer? Is this mabye why so many people look down on those of us who choose to exercise our rights? Since I have done nothing illegal why should I waste a cops time talking to him(her) when the real crimminal is still out there needing to be caught? Oh and NavyLCDR I like the bunny.
Treo
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Yup, I knew you would stop by...[/QUOTE]
Ya know, this is right on the edge of admitting you're trolling
Cops are gov't agents with the power to arrest your freedom. Immediately. So, yeah, any interaction on my part with LE is gonna be thru the lense of the Constitution. I see no problem with letting them know that you know your rights. That is not an anti-LE stance, IMO. It is the stance of the informed citizen.
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Flanmedic51
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JJFlash:264728 said:
Well I disagree with 'arresting your freedom' part. They actually enforce the law via the constitution and subsequent State and local laws. But the opinions are quite skewed in this forum and it shows how people are erroneously informed by others who essentially, have absolutely no clue of LE ops and duties. But to each their own. I liked the video hence posting it. I suppose I'm extremely fortunate where I live that the LE are extremely supportive of CC and I would have no issue disclosing my CWP. But to say you're not anti LE when u say their job is to arrest our freedoms...well I disagree w that. Unless you committed a crime then yea, they will arrest you and your freedom is then gone.
SGB
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Have you ever been a LEO?
You need to be very careful with your assumptions. My partner is a former SWAT cop, most of the guys who work for me are either cops or at the least have been thru the academy. I'm surrounded by the suckers! And on occasion, I have assisted our local boys and girls in blue in late nite knocks in the housing projects. So, no, I'm not anti-cop.
Ever been falsely arrested? Think it doesn't happen? Think again, cause they sure as hell can arrest your freedom any time they want. Yeah, you can beat it later, perhaps, if it's bogus, but for right now, you're cuffed and stuffed. I'm not advocating an adversarial stance here, but IMO, most (yes, most) people don't even realize, during an interaction with LE, that they are giving up rights while they are running their mouths. It behooves us to know and exercise our Constitutional rights.
I didn't read all the postings but.... this site has the cliff notes version of the carry laws for all states. For the most part, toward the end of the individual state document it will tell you if you need to notify a LEO by lawnot out of courtesy to the LEO. Big difference in everyone's book.
Index of /states
Oh yea... common sense is not very common.
Index of /states
Oh yea... common sense is not very common.
Axeanda45
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Now, THAT ^^^^^^^^ is much more politically correct than my usual word to describe the same thing, which is "Copsuckers"... Even though I actually try NOT to be PC myself, I think yours is more appropriate, and I will use it from now on.... Thanks for posting it!. . . . . . Badgebunnies
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That's what they're SUPPOSED to do.
Is that what Jon Burge did?
Is that what Gerald Callahan did?
Is that what Tony Abbate did?
Is that what Jerome Finnegan did?
Is that what Daniel Harless did?
Is that what the Atlanta PD did with Kathryn Johnston?
Is that what the Philadelphia PD did in immigrant owned convenience stores?
Your claims bear no relation to reality.
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Flanmedic51
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We can agree to disagree. I'm fine with that.
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You can have your own opinions.
You can't have your own facts.
Are you saying that you simply choose to IGNORE police criminality, or are you actually denying that there IS any?
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Flanmedic51
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*SIGH*
I just disagree with your anti cop rhetoric. There have been bad cops, bad hairdressers, bad milkmen, bad grocery cashiers, etc. the purpose of the posted video is to provide information. I feel bad you have such disdain for LE. My experiences have been good.
Let this be known. Gun control freaks monitor forums like this and love to see this type of anti cop crap. This is their ammo. I disagree with a lot of the recent posts which led me posting this one...and I like the vid. It makes sense to the majority.
Son, I think this has maybe been posted before, but it seems to me that your acquainting our exercise of Constitutional rights with an anti-LE attitude. If not, I stand corrected. If you are, then you need to stand corrected. Knowing and exercising our rights when dealing with armed gov't agents who can place us under arrest is only smart. Would you have it otherwise?
I'm certainly not advocating giving a ration of crap to the cop who stops you (you give em enough of that and you'll find yourself in the back of the car). In fact, I'm as civil and polite as can be. But understand, they teach em in the academy to ask questions to discern information they have no right to (Where you coming from? Where you going?) and they're also trained to elicit responses (Oh yeah, there's nothing in the car, go ahead and take a look) which negate your rights. Yup, they got a tough gig going in a lot of nasty locales but that doesn't mean I automatically give em a pass. You better not, either.
Deanimator
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You seem to "disagree" with documented facts, and widely accepted countermeasures to avoid the dangers presented by those facts.
The simple fact is that no hairdresser has the legal authority to deprive me of my liberty. Cops do.
Given those facts, it behooves me to recognize the danger which the police present to me and take appropriate protective measures.
Again, I ask you:
Are you denying that you should protect yourself from the dangers which police present to your liberty?
OR
Are you denying the documented history of police violating people's civil liberties?
One is ill-advised.
The other is irrational.
I personally couldn't care less what anti-gunners think. I DEFINITELY am not going to endanger my freedom and my finances to curry favor with people for whom I have the most profound contempt.
If I follow your advice and end up in a legal bind, you're not going to help me in ANY way. I ABSOLUTELY guarantee that I can't expect any MORE assistance, legal or financial from Chuck Schumer or Toby Hoover.
Again, you can have your own opinions.
You can't have your own facts.
There is a few questions that need to be asked of the people who are willing to cooperate with cops and not invoke their rights. How do you know the cop you are dealing with is a good cop or a bad one? Are you willing to risk your future and your freedom that the cop is good? Are you willing to risk your future and your freedom that the cop will not misinterpret or twist what you say and arrest you? Are you willing to risk your future and freedom on this person who carries a badge and gun and can arrest you so much that you are willing to let him(her) search your private possessions or reveal personal information to him(her)such as where you have been or where you are going? I know the arguement that if you have nothing to hide why not cooperate? Tell that to those innocent people who have been jailed who cooperated.
Deanimator
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Better yet, tell it to the DoJ official who just took the 5th on "Fast & Furious".
Perhaps he believes that everybody BUT cops and DoJ officials should "cooperate". Alternatively, maybe he believes that DoJ official has "something to hide"? But then wouldn't that be "DoJ bashing"...?
Hey, Flanmedic51,
Is it impossible for you to accurately quote what you supposedly disagree with? JJFlash, in his post, never stated that it is LEO's job to arrest our freedoms. Read what he actually said:
What JJFlash posted is exactly correct and you twisted it to say what you wanted it to say. LEO absolutely does have the power or authority, granted to them by either a state or Federal government, to arrest the freedom of persons. The vast majority of police officers use this power within the bounds of laws that limit this power or authority, the highest of which is the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution. A small minority of police officers have no problem at all in overstepping the bounds of the laws that limit their power of arrest and have no respect for the 4th Amendment. When a police officer is acting in a way that may indicate that they are detaining me, I have no way of knowing if they are one of the vast majority or one of the small minority, IE the good cop or bad cop.
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Apparently, you're just supposed to have blind faith that they'll do the right thing, and if they DON'T, you should just "take one for the team"... and somebody ELSE'S team to boot.
Sorry, no sale.
Hey Flan and Navy: I have seen both sets of videos and it seems to me that you are both talking, thru the videos, about LEO interractions, but on two very different levels. Certainly Flan's video of a traffic stop is rather calm and innocuous compared to Navy's videos, which illustrate the investigatory aspect of police work, after the fact. The traffic stop and just following the LEO's wishes are, IMO, common sense for the safety of both of you and the LEO, and, in states where you must show CCWP, a legal sense. Anything other than what Flan's video shows now falls into the beginnings of Navy's videos. Navy's videos are showing that investigations by LEOs at the scene or after the fact are not being performed by your friends, they are being performed by the LEO at the scene or investigators looking for right and wrong and closure and, as Navy said, you may think you are helpful by offerring information but you are opening a big door of self-incrimination that your innocence is telling you is still correct, and the LEO or investigator is recording and examining for any inconsistency that leads to doubts about your story and innocence. It is nice to be nice but it is not so nice when you are in jail after some dumb statement you made that has incriminated you in some fashion, even if you are innocent.
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