Common sense interaction with LE

[Flanmedic51]

Seriously...I can't seem to understand some of these threads suggesting and/or recommending not speaking with a LEO w/out a lawyer or how having a conversation during a professional encounter with a LEO will somehow violate your 5th Amendment rights. I have MANY friends that are LEOs. If I do get a pat down, they are checking to see if I HAVE my gun on me! But seriously, even if I don't know a LEO that stops me (and its been YEARS since I've been stopped), there is common sense involved...unless you have done something stupid and/or ridiculous to cause a bad experience. We all have a duty to be safe and responsible, and the LEO also has a duty AND the desire to go home safely at the end of his/her shift. The link provided from Guns and Ammo provides a common sense approach to a LE encounter. I'm sure many have seen this before but it's worth a re-post anyway.

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[SGB]

Common sense tells me I'm not being stopped to be invited to a presidential beer summit, so I'm going to proffer my DL, reg & proof of ins, keep my mouth shut and let the nice GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL do his/her JOB.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Equally applicable videos with tips for when stopped by police:

Is it really necessary to start this again?

Common sense tells me I'm not being stopped to be invited to a presidential beer summit, so I'm going to proffer my DL, reg & proof of ins, keep my mouth shut and let the nice GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL do his/her JOB.

^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so? If you choose to fight the citation in court, waiving your rights immediately at the sight of a uniform and badge at the scene is only going to lessen your chances of winning. You aren't doing yourself any favors by waiving your rights; and polite compliance with the requirements of law, and the requirements of law only does nothing to hinder the officer's job or their safetly.

And while the police officers are going home safe at the end of their shift, here we are still....

 

[Flanmedic51]

Is it really necessary to start this again?[/QUOTE]

Yup, I knew you would stop by...

 

[Keykutter]

Equally applicable videos with tips for when stopped by police:

Is it really necessary to start this again?



^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so?

Comon man, you do it so good Don't you need to stay current to stay at the top of your game?

KK

 

[Flanmedic51]

Equally applicable videos with tips for when stopped by police:

Is it really necessary to start this again?



^^^^ and by doing that, and only that, in no way hinders Officer Friendly from doing his/her duty and going home safe to their family at night, which also happens to be exactly my goal as well. How hard is it to just produce the documents required by law and sign on the line if asked to do so? If you choose to fight the citation in court, waiving your rights immediately at the sight of a uniform and badge at the scene is only going to lessen your chances of winning. You aren't doing yourself any favors by waiving your rights; and polite compliance with the requirements of law, and the requirements of law only does nothing to hinder the officer's job or their safetly.

Since I've seen you post these vids before, this is one of the reasons why I posted the one from Guns and Ammo, which IMHO, holds more merit and logical decision making. Make no mistake, if I get harassed or think my rights are being violated by a LEO, than it's my responsibility to report it to a higher authority, ie, Chief of police or town official. If I'm legal, then I'm legal...period.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Since I've seen you post these vids before, this is one of the reasons why I posted the one from Guns and Ammo, which IMHO, holds more merit and logical decision making. Make no mistake, if I get harassed or think my rights are being violated by a LEO, than it's my responsibility to report it to a higher authority, ie, Chief of police or town official. If I'm legal, then I'm legal...period.

And we've seen the guns and ammo video before as well. It's nothing new. There is nothing new to this discussion. By the way, a little secret for you: a LEO cannot violate rights that you waive and don't exercise.

 

[Flanmedic51]

And we've seen the guns and ammo video before as well. It's nothing new. There is nothing new to this discussion. By the way, a little secret for you: a LEO cannot violate rights that you waive and don't exercise.

It's still new to many out there that use this forum for good and informative information. I'm sure you've seen this video before...many haven't. If it seriously bothers you, then you don't have to respond and repost your videos.

 

[SGB]

It's still new to many out there that use this forum for good and informative information. I'm sure you've seen this video before...many haven't. If it seriously bothers you, then you don't have to respond and repost your videos.

 

[MickGIS]

Massad Ayoob prefaced his recommendation of how to respond to an LE stop that "...In fifty states we got a fifty piece patchwork quilt of laws that govern this. Some states Arizona, Texas, Michigan you're required by the law to advise any officer you have business contact or professional contact with that you're carrying..." With the remainder of the video discussing how to convey the fact you are carrying to the officer in those states where informing the officer is law, very good info. Also good advice of how to respond when asked to get out of the car when carrying. I am in the camp that if not required to inform I won't but if required to I would follow Massad Ayoob's recommendation.

 

[Deserteagle]

Flanmedic, although I agree with you and many of us on this forum do, arguing with these anti-cops is pointless. They dont like cops, they advocate never talking to them, they post stories of officers that make the news for doing something stupid, and they complain about them. Like Navy said, we're beating a dead horse here. I would just ignore the people rather than stir up debates with them that go in circles and stick to discussing firearms which is the reason why most of us are here.

 

[Flanmedic51]

Flanmedic, although I agree with you and many of us on this forum do, arguing with these anti-cops is pointless. They dont like cops, they advocate never talking to them, they post stories of officers that make the news for doing something stupid, and they complain about them. Like Navy said, we're beating a dead horse here. I would just ignore the people rather than stir up debates with them that go in circles and stick to discussing firearms which is the reason why most of us are here.

Yup, I truly agree. I've been using this site for a month now and I'm a bit horrified of how anti cop people are...or at least it's those people who we hear from the most. Only being on here a month, this has seemed to be a hot button issue although I'm not trolling for debaters intentionally. But I know where the majority lies on this issue, and there is some sense of relief in knowing that. :yes2:

 

[Deserteagle]

Yup, I truly agree. I've been using this site for a month now and I'm a bit horrified of how anti cop people are...or at least it's those people who we hear from the most. Only being on here a month, this has seemed to be a hot button issue although I'm not trolling for debaters intentionally. But I know where the majority lies on this issue, and there is some sense of relief in knowing that. :yes2:

I visit a few other large forums and I cannot help but notice how many anti-cops there are on this forum. I love seeing actual cops on other gun forums interacting with people just fine and a general sense of respect being shown between everyone. This forum is just a lot more open to social issues versus strictly firearms which is what draws out the anti-cops. The people who are respectful to cops on this forum usually just ignore the anti's

 

[NavyLCDR]

It really sad that you guys must equate exercising your Constitutionally protected rights as being anti-cop. But, whatever floats your boat. I won't waste a police officer's valuable time chit-chatting. They have better things to do, like investigating crimes.

I'm curious, though. Do you guys carry a separate polishing compound and cloth for the badge polishing, or do they make wipes already pre-wetted with polish?

Personally, I find that a colapsible baton is the easiest thing to beat a dead horse with. I also find it sad that you don't have enough creativity to come up with a new and interesting topic.

 

[SGB]

. . . . . . Badgebunnies

 

[santa]

NavyLCDR is right. This subject is old. But in case anybody is interested contrary to what you see on TV anything you say AT ANYTIME BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR RIGHTS HAVE BEEN READ can be used against you. It is none of a cops business where I am going or where I have been. Many people have been wrongly convicted and sent to jail while cooperating with police. Police are trained to bully, lie and manipulate people into 'confessing'. Lies such as 'after you confess you can go' or 'help me understand whats going on then you can go' are used frequently. Unless you exercise your rights by saying "officer am I free to go?" or "I dont want to talk with you" and then shutting up, or "I do NOT consent to this search" or "I want a lawyer you will lose them. This is NOT Nazi Germany where you must answer their questions or be taken away. The 4th and 5th amendments were put there to protect ALL OF US from the awesome power of the state. I have a cousin, a brother in law, 3 friends who are all good cops. They understand. As NavyLCDR says so very clearly " I am not anti-cop. I am pro Constution". NavyLCDR if you have the whip I will find a horse.

 

[Deserteagle]

And here they come like clockwork!

 

[NavyLCDR]

. . . . . . Badgebunnies

 

[Flanmedic51]

And here they come like clockwork!

"Did I dooo thaaaaat?" **Spoken in a Steve Urkel voice** Oh and speaking of beating a dead horse here...at least they make themselves WELL KNOWN.

 

[Deanimator]

Seriously...I can't seem to understand some of these threads suggesting and/or recommending not speaking with a LEO w/out a lawyer or how having a conversation during a professional encounter with a LEO will somehow violate your 5th Amendment rights. I have MANY friends that are LEOs. If I do get a pat down, they are checking to see if I HAVE my gun on me! But seriously, even if I don't know a LEO that stops me (and its been YEARS since I've been stopped), there is common sense involved...unless you have done something stupid and/or ridiculous to cause a bad experience. We all have a duty to be safe and responsible, and the LEO also has a duty AND the desire to go home safely at the end of his/her shift. The link provided from Guns and Ammo provides a common sense approach to a LE encounter. I'm sure many have seen this before but it's worth a re-post anyway.

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Cops are public employees, nothing more, nothing less.

I wouldn't waive my rights for somebody at the BMV or for the guy who mows the lawn at city hall. I'm certainly not waiving my rights for a cop.

The police themselves have destroyed whatever trust I ever had in them. If they don't like it and want to blame someone, they should look in the mirror.

I doubt you're a lawyer. How do you know IF your rights are being violated?

I don't want ANYTHING to do with the police. That's why I go out of my way to obey the law. If, contrary to my best efforts, I end up in an involuntary encounter with police, I exercise EVERY right I have for my own protection. If the cop doesn't like that, sucks to be him.