Citizen Control

[NCIC105]

I know there is a law on the books that our government cannot turn the military against its own citizens within our own boarders...


But what is to stop our President from bringing in the UN Soldiers if he so felt like it?

 

[kelcarry]

I know there is a law on the books that our government cannot turn the military against its own citizens within our own boarders...


But what is to stop our President from bringing in the UN Soldiers if he so felt like it?

I hate to say you are naive but do you really think after the last 4 years that a "law on the books" means anything to this administration and this garbage in the whitehouse. Ya know there were a lot of "laws on the books" in Germany 1930 but Hitler and his brownshirts and gestapo did not give a rats behind. This garbage in the whitehouse has his SEIU and ACORN goons among others. Remember the Occupy movement? Our dear king embraced these hoodlums--it easily could be considered a trial run for November. Laws on the books? Means nothing to this narcissistic moslem dictator wannabe.

 

[Woody57]

Keep your eye on the Department of Homeland Security. A non-military, heavily armed, well organized arm of government that is not subject to the rules of citizen engagement.

 

[TheCocaColaSanta]

I hate to say you are naive but do you really think after the last 4 years that a "law on the books" means anything to this administration and this garbage in the whitehouse. Ya know there were a lot of "laws on the books" in Germany 1930 but Hitler and his brownshirts and gestapo did not give a rats behind. This garbage in the whitehouse has his SEIU and ACORN goons among others. Remember the Occupy movement? Our dear king embraced these hoodlums--it easily could be considered a trial run for November. Laws on the books? Means nothing to this narcissistic moslem dictator wannabe.

Don't hold back now. What do you really think. lol
Seriously though, I agree with you completely.

 

[fudo]

The law was Posse Comitatus IIRC. I believe that the law was abrogated by the Patriot Act.

 

[Flipa54]

The answer seems simple to me... The citizens of the United States of America on November 6, 2012

 

[NCIC105]

I hate to say you are naive but do you really think after the last 4 years that a "law on the books" means anything to this administration and this garbage in the whitehouse. Ya know there were a lot of "laws on the books" in Germany 1930 but Hitler and his brownshirts and gestapo did not give a rats behind. This garbage in the whitehouse has his SEIU and ACORN goons among others. Remember the Occupy movement? Our dear king embraced these hoodlums--it easily could be considered a trial run for November. Laws on the books? Means nothing to this narcissistic moslem dictator wannabe.

While I do agree he pick which laws he wishes to enforce...I do not think our own Military would turn on its citizens.

 

[GB-Boater]

While I do agree he pick which laws he wishes to enforce...I do not think our own Military would turn on its citizens.

Nor do I think our local police departments would turn on it's citizens. Look at what Texas said it would do to UN people if they interfere at voting places.

 

[DRNurse1]

Keep your eye on the Department of Homeland Security. A non-military, heavily armed, well organized arm of government that is not subject to the rules of citizen engagement.

Nor do I think our local police departments would turn on it's citizens. Look at what Texas said it would do to UN people if they interfere at voting places.

Hmmmm. Who just bought 4.5 million rounds of .40 cal HP? Did they buy any 5.56 or 7.62?? Interesting thread.

 

[TlWheatley]

Our soldiers where ordered to fire on WWI soldiers after the war. They did.

 

[kerb]

While I do agree he pick which laws he wishes to enforce...I do not think our own Military would turn on its citizens.

Nor do I think our local police departments would turn on it's citizens. Look at what Texas said it would do to UN people if they interfere at voting places.

I wish I shared your optimism.

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[longslide10]

Hmmmm. Who just bought 4.5 million rounds of .40 cal HP? Did they buy any 5.56 or 7.62?? Interesting thread.

Approximately 120,000 federal agents are armed with 40 cal that must practice using what they carry (HP's). Roughly 100+ rounds a month or 1250 a year =6250 rounds over a 5 year period (for which the order was procured) which equates to 750,000,000 rounds for those 120,000 agents. That's the logic however nothing says they can't be stocking up either for what is inevitably going to happen economically resulting in chaos in the streets.

 

[longslide10]

The law was Posse Comitatus IIRC. I believe that the law was abrogated by the Patriot Act.

Was it that or the NDAA that finally killed it? I do hope the military will refuse to take orders from whomever decides to put it to use.

 

[longslide10]

Our soldiers where ordered to fire on WWI soldiers after the war. They did.

I believe the govt made the veterans a promise and didn't keep it (which I find highly irregular and improbable....slight sarcasm) and the vets went to DC to protest and a general was ordered to disperse them and shoot them if necessary. Sorry I don't know the complete details.

 

[Hoganbeg]

They also rounded up Japanese-American citizens under threat of violence and put them in camps.

Look up the following instances.

The Battle of Blair Mountain [Army bombers used gas and explosives against civilians].

Kent State shootings [National Guard troops]

Ludlow massacre [Colorado National Guard troops]

 

[Oldgrunt]

If an American general can be declared a "rogue" for trying to save our people in Benghazi, relieved of duty and arrested, I believe our troops, however reluctantly, would fire on us if so ordered. If Obama is ousted in November, we may get back to our Constitutional government and change things back to where they should be. If not, you ain't seen nothing yet!


http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/29/r...forces-teams-ignoring-libya-stand-down-order/

 

[SFC]

I know there is a law on the books that our government cannot turn the military against its own citizens within our own boarders...


But what is to stop our President from bringing in the UN Soldiers if he so felt like it?

There are so many Treaties between the US and the UN that it is a can of worms to really sit down and read each treaty. Although from what I have read Obama like to live above the law when it comes to the UN. The same goes for Obama using UN Blue Helmet to try and confiscate guns from each private citizen, as I found out it worked in Africa, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, I think you get the picture.

In early 2006 Congress passed bill H.R.5122 granting the President the right to commandeer Federal and State National Guard Troops for use against citizens. The bill is entitled the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007

Section 1076 of H.R. 5122.ENR allows the President to:
“...employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States..., where the President determines that,...domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy...”

This act attempts to nullify the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. 331-335) and gives the President the legal ability to declare Martial Law under any condition he so chooses.

All that is mute if the US Constitution is being followed by Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

American troops were ordered to conduct door-to-door gun confiscation sweeps after Hurricane Katrina, and while it has emerged that at least one unit stood down and refused the order, many more carried out the unconstitutional mission. That precedent has been followed by other exercises training American soldiers for gun seizures, along
with other martial law measures.

Just let me say there is a lot of BS on the Internet and as I have told others on other political site, if you want to just blurt out that Obama is a wants your guns is all well and good. Although you gave no facts to why or how he is going to get your guns. Read the actual laws and I know it is difficult in just trying to locate the law, and it will get very frustrating. This is some of the stuff I had to do while working only it was International Laws along with US Laws, The CIA has their own laws internationally, the FBI working cases in the US goes by the book unless you are dealing any Special Operations it is kind of, sort of, maybe fairly legal.

 

[wolf_fire]

Nor do I think our local police departments would turn on it's citizens. Look at what Texas said it would do to UN people if they interfere at voting places.

Just tell the victims of Hurricane Katrina that "our own police departments" don't turn on them.

This administration scares the crap out of me. Even if he is not elected, he still is in office for about 2 months more.... even that 2 months scares the crap out of me. A lot can be done with Executive Order in 2 months.

 

[kelcarry]

Don't hold back now. What do you really think. lol
Seriously though, I agree with you completely.

Just said a personal record with 9 "likes". Guess I hit a chord with my fellow members. As far as "telling you what I really think", it is bad enough in this country that having a dem or a repu prez or congress does not mean a rat's behind--as the saying goes "same doo doo (can't your the "S" word), different flies", but this election is, IMO, about being an American or being a socialist/communist/fascist--take you pick. When I think about my grandchildren and what this garbage is and can do to this country I have given up on some friends and many relatives who I just cannot stand anymore for their stand on this issue--the stupidity boggles my mind. My comments may mean a little more to me than others since I am Jewish and I see an Israel, the only legitimate country and democracy in that area being thrown under the bus by this moslem garbage and I can tearfully visualize this country turning into the fascist dictatorship of Germany 1930--this guy is dangerous and he has literally taken over this whole country with a congress and a court that just sits there sucking their collective thumbs with the fingers up their yada yada. I can tell you point blank that if someone comes to my door to tell me about a nice camp in Idaho that they want me to move to ala the Nazis, someone will go to hell before I go to heaven--unlike my distant and dead relatives in Germany, I am not going to just take it.

 

[fudo]

Nor do I think our local police departments would turn on it's citizens. Look at what Texas said it would do to UN people if they interfere at voting places.

Do you mean like police attacking students at Kent State? or attacking protesters at the Democratic convention in Chicago in 1968? Or possibly the numerous assaults on protesters in Tulsa in 1921 and all over the south and Athens Tennessee in 1946.