Citadel considers uniform exception: allowing a Muslim hijab

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The Citadel considers first-ever uniform exception: allowing a Muslim hijab
The Citadel is considering a request from an admitted student that she be allowed to wear a hijab in keeping with her Muslim faith, a move that would be an unprecedented exception to the school’s longstanding uniform requirements.

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Since my younger grandson will be enrolling as a Knob at The Citadel this August, I've been following this story.

It says that she hasn't requested any other accommodations but that doesn't make sense. If she's observant of Islam enough to require wearing a hijab, she's probably going to observe other requirements of her religion. There are a lot of unanswered questions.

Will she allow the barber to give her the required short haircut that the female cadets get?

Will she need to stop her cadet activities for daily prayers at specific times?

Will she need special dietary considerations?

What about the Islamic rule that single women shouldn't be allowed alone with men who are not relatives?

Why is this question coming up now? She's known for months what the uniform requirements were. The parents and future cadets have already had their orientations and introductory "overnighter".

If she plans to join a military service after graduation does she expect to be accommodated there, too?
 
Update from the local paper:

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Some excerpts:

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations will send a letter of support to The Citadel urging the school to allow the hijab, according to spokesman Ibrahim Hooper . . ."

"Abdulrahman Muhammad, an Alabama native who graduated from The Citadel in May 2015, said the school was always accommodating to his Muslim faith. He said the cafeteria provided him with halal meal options and the campus chaplain reached out to him personally about providing transportation to services at the Central Mosque of Charleston.

In the case of the incoming cadet’s hijab request, Muhammad said it represents 'a sticky situation' at a school where cadets are 'indoctrinated into a proven situation that works.'

'It’s tough, but from my understanding, the school is doing their job and their due diligence to try and accommodate a need,' Muhammad said...."
 
Update:

"A Muslim woman who had been accepted at The Citadel and her family are considering taking legal action after the military college Tuesday denied her request to wear a hijab, said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The woman, who does not want to speak to the media now, cannot attend the school without religious accommodation, Hooper said...."

More:
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"'There are many Christians who wanted to display their cross and were told not to do so,' the cadet said, noting that Jewish men have been told not to wear their yarmulkes."

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OK, now the next step: does Christianity REQUIRE the crucifix to be worn in view?
Does Judaism REQUIRE the yarmulke to be worn at all times?
This country was founded on freedom from religious persecution for ALL religions.
If a cadet's religion has a requirement, I'd be pissed as a citizen if the Citadel forced the cadet to violate their religious beliefs and got away with it.
 
OK, now the next step: does Christianity REQUIRE the crucifix to be worn in view?
Christians aren't required to wear crucifixes, period. I'm a Christian and I would never wear a crucifix. I might wear a plain cross but that's not required either.

Does Judaism REQUIRE the yarmulke to be worn at all times?
Depends. Which branch? Ask a Rabbi.

This country was founded on freedom from religious persecution for ALL religions.
If a cadet's religion has a requirement, I'd be pissed as a citizen if the Citadel forced the cadet to violate their religious beliefs and got away with it.
No one is forced to attend the Citadel. Applicants know the uniform rules ahead of time.

If the Muslim religion requires women to wear a hijab, why aren't all Muslim women wearing them? Ask an Imam.

There's a difference between what religions require of their members to maintain good standing and what is just cultural preference.
 
Christians aren't required to wear crucifixes, period. I'm a Christian and I would never wear a crucifix. I might wear a plain cross but that's not required either.


Depends. Which branch? Ask a Rabbi.


No one is forced to attend the Citadel. Applicants know the uniform rules ahead of time.

If the Muslim religion requires women to wear a hijab, why aren't all Muslim women wearing them? Ask an Imam.

There's a difference between what religions require of their members to maintain good standing and what is just cultural preference.

No one is REQUIRED to go shop at WalMart, but would you be OK with it if they had a "no Christians" policy?
IF wearing the hijab is required by her religion (I don't know if it is), then the Citadel wold be very firmly in the wrong denying her the wearing of it.

If it's not required by the religion, I'd be surprised that anyone would try to fight the rule (I may prefer to drive 85. I wouldn't think of going before a judge and fighting the rule/law based on a personal preference).
 
No one is REQUIRED to go shop at WalMart, but would you be OK with it if they had a "no Christians" policy?
The Citadel doesn't have a "no Muslims" policy. There have been Muslim cadets at the Citadel.

IF wearing the hijab is required by her religion (I don't know if it is), then the Citadel wold be very firmly in the wrong denying her the wearing of it.
The Citadel has set uniform regulations that are for ALL cadets, so it's not discriminatory. If, for whatever reason, a prospective student feels that he or she can't comply with the rules, then that student has to make a decision--either attend and follow the rules, or don't attend. It's a matter of priorities.

The Citadel isn't prohibiting her from wearing the hijab. The Citadel is only prohibiting the adding of a hijab to the Citadel uniform.

If it's not required by the religion, I'd be surprised that anyone would try to fight the rule (I may prefer to drive 85. I wouldn't think of going before a judge and fighting the rule/law based on a personal preference).
I don't know why you'd be surprised. Lots of people want things done their way, and they'll go to court for whatever they want. In the Citadel case, it wasn't even before a judge in court.
 
No one is REQUIRED to go shop at WalMart, but would you be OK with it if they had a "no Christians" policy?
IF wearing the hijab is required by her religion (I don't know if it is), then the Citadel wold be very firmly in the wrong denying her the wearing of it.

One doesn't have to declare one's religion to enter Wal-Mart. The store doesn't have a uniform requirement either so we are all free to enter. The military is a totally different matter, if you want to enter it (or The Citadel, USMA, USAFA, USNA) you conform to the organizations requirements.....period. If the young lady wants enter, she conforms to established rules, not make them change solely to accomodate her. Her religion supposedly prohibits her being out unaccompanied by a chaperone or to be out with a man other than a family member. How is she going to get around those prohibitions? The military is not a game where one plays by their own rules. It is a dictatorship, of sorts, where rules are made for the purpose of forming unit cohesion and being able to function in defense of the country. There is no room for individuals to dictate what they want to do or what regulations they will follow. That isn't how the military works. Military organizations should never be governed by political correctness.

I dare say if she went to a civilian college with an ROTC unit, she still wouldn't be permitted to wear her jihab. The military has uniforms for women and that is what she should wear. If she can't (or won't), she shouldn't be given special accomodations. To add another issue, will the menu at the school be changed for her? Halal meat, no pork at the school? The ridiculousness could go on forever!
 
Point missed, gents.

I'll reiterate: IF wearing a hijab is a rule of her religion, and the Citadel tells her she cannot wear a hijab, they are violating her rights.
Ridiculousness? Seriously?
There's plenty of bitching, crying, wailing, moaning, and hand-wringing when people here see a sign that says they can't carry their gun into a mall becasue the sign violates their 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun.
Now, people are going to post here and say that the Citadel should be allowed to tell the student she is not allowed to do something that may be required by her religion?
Hypocritical, no?

Put a different spin on it: Star quarterback for your favorite team gets the boot because his religion doesn't allow him to practice on a Sunday.
Do you support the team, or do you support the QB whose rights are being violated?

And it's funny you should mention a special menu for a Muslim.
Imagine if the Citadel required the Catholic students to eat red meat on a Friday during Lent.
But that would be a proper outcry because Catholicism is a real religion with real rules and Muslim is just "ridiculous", right?
 
Point missed, gents.
I'm not a gent but I guess I'm included. :)

I'll reiterate: IF wearing a hijab is a rule of her religion, and the Citadel tells her she cannot wear a hijab, they are violating her rights.
Ridiculousness? Seriously?
Not at all violating her right to worship. BTW, you might be interested in this:

"There is a verse in the Quran that says that God doesn't want Muslims to experience hardship (in any matter). Therefore, we can conclude that it may be permissible (God knows best) for Muslim women not to fulfill the full requirements of hijab if they live in circumstances under which wearing such hijab would make their lives very difficult, such as being subject to the possibility of physical harm, discrimination in the job market, inability to attend public schools/universities, etc. This can apply for Muslim women who live in countries where the majority of people are non-muslims as well as in countries where the majority of people are Muslims, but there is some hostility or discrimination against women who wear hijab. However, we should emphasize that even in such circumstances, Muslim women should dress modestly."

Hijab

There's plenty of bitching, crying, wailing, moaning, and hand-wringing when people here see a sign that says they can't carry their gun into a mall becasue the sign violates their 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun.

Now, people are going to post here and say that the Citadel should be allowed to tell the student she is not allowed to do something that may be required by her religion?

Hypocritical, no?
No.

The Citadel offers an education to those who are qualified and who are willing to accept the rules of the school. It was her choice not to accept the rules of the school. Therefore, she's not eligible to attend the school.

The Citadel didn't establish their uniform rules to keep out Muslims. There are Muslim cadets and graduates.

Put a different spin on it: Star quarterback for your favorite team gets the boot because his religion doesn't allow him to practice on a Sunday.
Do you support the team, or do you support the QB whose rights are being violated?
If the quarterback practiced a religion that didn't allow practice on Sundays he wouldn't join the team in the first place, so he wouldn't be getting the boot from it. (In the case of the Citadel, the young woman was not booted out either--she had intended to start this coming fall semester.)

There are lots of people who don't participate in sports on their days of worship. Perhaps you weren't aware of that because they don't make public stinks about it.

And it's funny you should mention a special menu for a Muslim.

Imagine if the Citadel required the Catholic students to eat red meat on a Friday during Lent.
"The Citadel recognizes the importance of a cadet’s spiritual and religious beliefs, providing services for specific needs whenever possible. For example, during the first week of school faith-based organizations on campus and from the community meet with freshmen cadets. Cadet religious officers arrange transportation to churches, mosques, synagogues and other places of worship for those without cars. Accommodations for prayer and dietary needs are common at the college."

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So, Catholic cadets aren't required to eat meat during Lent, and Muslim and Jewish cadets aren't required to eat pork.

But that would be a proper outcry because Catholicism is a real religion with real rules and Muslim is just "ridiculous", right?
Wrong. See the above paragraph.
 
Rob: Have you ever been in the military? The military has standards to be met by all who enter. If she knows that she can't wear her hijab with a uniform, she should find another school to go to, not insist her rights are being violated. If anything, she is violating the rules of the military school. This political correctness has gotten way out of hand and it is about time someone stood up for the school. They have traditions that should not be overthrown. The girl has other options. Your question about the ball player being given the boot because his religion doesn't allow him to practice on Sunday doesn't quite hold water. There are six other days in the week to practice. There are some religions that don't allow work on Saturdays but that doesn't stop the world from spinning.

Menus have never been a problem that I know of. Food was always prepared and it was the individual choice of what to, or not to, eat. That goes for Catholics, Jews, and all others. I am a Catholic and, during Lent, there was no actual requirement to not eat red meat. It was our choice but we chose to fast and ate fish on Fridays during Lent, and every other Friday of the year. FYI, our mess halls always served fish of one sort of another but the choice was always left up to the individual and no special requirement for halal meat. Just plain meat, eat it or not. In places like Korea and Vietnam, we ate from little green cans regardless of holidays or religious events and no one ever complained.

I am not saying that Islam is not a religion. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, JWs, and all other religions have to conform to military rules and, if she wants to be part of any of our military programs, she should conform to OUR rules of conduct and dress. If she can't conform, stay at home. Simple. I would only hope that somewhere in our government there are sane people who will not be intimidated and completely throw away all of our standards because of the Muslims. And as far as being hypocritical in standing up for the Citadel, absolutely not. I stand up for our military and would only hope that others will also. Seems like you may have a little difficulty with that.
 
Sorry, Reba, I was just replying to the two posts prior to mine.
Thank you for clarifying the IF part of my statement regarding the mandatory wearing of the hijab. If it's not mandatory, then her lawsuit is frivolous and should never have been pursued (I said this before).

To the others: 'not sure how I can make this any more clear, but it's not a case of "if you don't like our rules, then don't join our group" when it comes to discrimination based on race, religion, sex, age, and a number of other protected factors.
Declaration of religion may not be required to enter WalMart, but that's not the point.
The pint is: THEY DON'T GET TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON RELIGION (or other protected groups).

A store does not get to say "We're not going to provide access for disabled persons. If they don't like it, they don't need to shop here".
A restaurant does not get to say "We won't allow black people to order cold drinks here. If they don't like it, they can go elsewhere."
A football team does not get to say "We found out you're gay, so we're going to bench you for this and all future seasons".
The military does not get to say "You must violate the rules of your religion to be enrolled in our schools or serve in any of our branches".


The military has standards, the military has rules, as do many other organizations and businesses. If you want to participate, you are bound by the rules.
That does NOT mean however, that the rules are allowed to violate a person's rights. Period.
If you think it does, you are sorely mistaken and I challenge you to prove otherwise (proof please, not opinion).
 
The military's standards and rules are exceedingly easy to find, as are the sections relating to religious accommodations in general, or uniform accommodations specifically. All the rules on religious accommodations fall under Link Removed dated February 10, 2009 and updated on Effective Date January 22, 2014.

Some people's "periods" should be question marks.


Requests for religious accommodation will be resolved in a timely manner and will be approved when accommodation would not adversely affect mission accomplishment, including military readiness, unit cohesion, good order, discipline, health and safety, or any other military requirement. For requests for religious accommodation when accommodation would adversely affect mission accomplishment:


(1) In accordance with section 2000bb-1 of Title 42, United States Code (Reference (e)), requests for religious accommodation from a military policy, practice, or duty that substantially burdens a Service member’s exercise of religion may be denied only when the military policy, practice, or duty:


(a) Furthers a compelling governmental interest.

(b) I
s the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.

(2) Requests for religious accommodation from a military policy, practice, or duty that does not substantially burden a Service member’s exercise of religion should not be evaluated under the standard established in paragraph 4e(1). Under these circumstances, the needs of the requesting Service member are balanced against the needs of mission accomplishment. Only if it is determined that the needs of mission accomplishment outweigh the needs of the Service member may the request be denied.


The Directive goes on to identify to whom requests should be submitted, and at what level of each Branch of the military appeals will be heard and ruled upon. In all cases of denial, including uniform issues, the wearing of religious symbols, religious and/or non-religious jewelry, yarmulkes etc., "the needs of mission accomplishment" and "unit cohesion" are primary considerations, while the individual member's assertions of necessity for religious purposes come secondary. From Secretaries of each Branch on down to the Unit Commander, mission accomplishment and unit cohesion can be used as the basis to deny a requested accommodation for religious purposes without fear by the deciding body/individual of personnel actions or discipline of any kind befalling them.

Page #4 of the linked Directive lists several ways that accommodations can be denied. Some are objective, and others are completely subjectively left to the decision-maker's discretion.

I would be glad to post up the whole Directive if not for the fact that it is in .pdf file format, and the little bit that I did quote from it was a pain to format in here. It's only 9 pages though, and some of that is just intros and outros etc. Read it or don't, but people should be careful with boxing themselves into a given position by claiming "Period" every time they make a statement. "Periods" and "petards" have more in common than that they're both "P" words.

Blues
 
. . . The military has standards, the military has rules, as do many other organizations and businesses. If you want to participate, you are bound by the rules.
That does NOT mean however, that the rules are allowed to violate a person's rights. Period.
If you think it does, you are sorely mistaken and I challenge you to prove otherwise (proof please, not opinion).
There is nothing discriminatory about the uniform standards. They don't allow modifications of the uniform for anyone's beliefs. That includes all religions and all non-religious belief systems.

BTW, the military is NOT just another organization or business. It's a 24/7/365 way of life. The Citadel is not a military service but a para-military school of preparation for military service. The Cadet Code of Conduct is not the UCMJ.
 
I guess I have to concede that you are right Reba.
The US Government, and agencies thereof, ar allowed to commit acts of discrimination against a protected group.
It makes perfect sense that they can and will do it, and no one would bat an eyelash.
 

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