Changes to Virginia CC laws

[GTH]

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[GTH]

I agree

I agree. The Catholic Church should pay more attention to what their priests are doing?

 

[GTH]

I was being more "flip" than anything. I believe a separation of Church and State is a healthy state. In my mind any churches first and foremost job should be to educate and support its followers in their belief. Not spend there resources opposing rights guaranteed by the founding fathers of our country.

I live in WV but travel to VA often so I support those in VA pushing this effort to enhance its CC laws.

 

[TXiceman]

Too many churches do not understand Separation of Church and State. You can't have a politically active church and be separated from the state.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

Too many churches do not understand Separation of Church and State. You can't have a politically active church and be separated from the state.

I see where this is going.

The next logical derivative of this logic, is that since a "Church" is a group of people, those who have religious beliefs should be denied the vote.

You can't have a secular style government if "religionists" can vote. Since it is certain they will vote their beliefs!

Freedom of religion is being twisted into freedom from religion.

I believe the founders rejected this concept when they wrote the constitution.

This secular government myth originated in the twentieth century. "Separation of Church and State" appears nowhere in the Constitution of the USA.

-Doc

 

[texasnative46]

to all,

in point of fact, "separation of church & state" is a FICTION promolgated by " anti-religious people".

at the time that the Constitution was ratified, several states HAD "religious support laws", which remained on the books until the state CHOSE to repeal them.

for example, Maryland had a law in the 18th/19th century which allowed only Catholics to vote - it was repealed long AFTER the Constitution was ratified, as the law had NEVER been enforced against ANYONE.

also, Virginia required everyone to pay taxes to the Anglican Church- again it was seldom, if ever, enforced on anyone who objected to the tax.


ALL the First Amendment does is PROHIBIT the federal government from establishing an official NATIONAL church, like The Church of England.


yours, TN46

 

[mrjam2jab]

Too many churches do not understand Separation of Church and State. You can't have a politically active church and be separated from the state.

The way I always understood it...Separation of Church and State merely meant that the STATE can not tell you what CHURCH to go to.

A church can be political..but by doing so they may divide their congregation so it's really in the church's best interest not to be political.

 

[torontogunguy]

Looks to me like the Catholic Church is afraid of all those licensed gun owners exacting revenge for what their children are having done to them,huh?

The same way I feel that guns are tools and people can be bad..... I feel that religions are tools and their followers can be bad. I have no disrespect or problems with ANY religion whatsoever, but with the people within them that break the law of the land.

And I personally believe that our children are our most precious assets.

And I personally believe that anyone or any organization that violates them needs to pay and pay dearly in accordance with the law and not in accordance with hysteria.

Those within the church or any other organization that violate our young ones need to be drawn and quartered and have their heads placed on a pole at the entrance to town. Makes me sick to my stomache but that is what, regretably, it appears that we need to do in order to stop this activity. Monetary settlements are not cutting it and are not a deterrent. I could pull the hangman's lever and not lose a moment of sleep. I might skip desert but it wouldn't even ruin my appetite.

 

[SCfromNY]

Originally here in SC they had the "one gun a month" law and I glad they changed it. Buying one gun a month was getting expensive.

Seriously I was up in NY and found a pristine S&W model 60 AND 66 for $200 and $400 if I was restricted to one gun per month I would have had a tough decision but thankfully it was easy.

 

[torontogunguy]

Looks like lots of new laws coming to VA and other states. Starting to get hard to keep track. Even MD looks like they just might begin reciprocity with adjoining states which includes VA and PA. YAY! No more stopping at the side of the interstate when the GPS says you are going to cross state lines. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Swinokur]

Looks like lots of new laws coming to VA and other states. Starting to get hard to keep track. Even MD looks like they just might begin reciprocity with adjoining states which includes VA and PA. YAY! No more stopping at the side of the interstate when the GPS says you are going to cross state lines. Patience is a virtue.

I live in MD andthough I'm always hopeful, the CC reciprocity bill (SB52 I think) will not pass IMO. MD is full of people who are under the control of the antis. But who knows?

 

[mrjam2jab]

I live in MD andthough I'm always hopeful, the CC reciprocity bill (SB52 I think) will not pass IMO. MD is full of people who are under the control of the antis. But who knows?

yep...as much as I would love HB52 to pass...I can't see the legislature allowing visitors to carry but not their own residents...

 

[rayven]

to all,

in point of fact, "separation of church & state" is a FICTION promolgated by " anti-religious people".

ALL the First Amendment does is PROHIBIT the federal government from establishing an official NATIONAL church, like The Church of England.

Actually, that term was coined by none other than Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists. Here's a link: Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

Pay attention to the second paragraph, where he clearly explains that the meaning of the first amendment's religion clause was to keep religion a personal matter, and that no government should promote or interfere in any way.

So with this evidence, I respectfully submit that you are incorrect, unless of course you believe Thomas Jefferson was one of those "anti-religious people".

 

[texasnative46]

TJ

rayven,

actually Tom Jefferson was NOT conventionally "religious" & would not be considered a Christian by today's standads.

what i originally posted, refernce the First Amendment, was FACT.

yours,TN46

 

[Swinokur]

yep...as much as I would love HB52 to pass...I can't see the legislature allowing visitors to carry but not their own residents...

As predicted HB52 failed out of committee 12-10. The antis won but not by much

 

[CapGun]

"Separation of Church and State"? What constitution says that?????:no:

 

[torontogunguy]

Hearsay is that it can still be petitioned past committee to the floor of the House of Delegates but is short 4 votes to do that and those 4 votes are very unlikely to be obtained. Ah well. Got an email from one of the delegates that advises he will try again next year. You have to admit it was VERY close to passing; it is only a matter of time before the political situation swings sufficiently to get the law passed. Patience. Much patience.

 

[Anthony_I_Am]

"Separation of church and state" puts limitations on the government, not the church. The way the tax laws are written, a non-profit may not expend a "significant portion of its assets" to lobbying. If they do this they become a political group, not a religious group in the eyes of the IRS. This is why the "revrund" jesse Jackson and other "revrunds" in the black community can legally put hundreds of thousands towards lobbying; they have millions. But a small church might be investigated if they put thousands towards lobbying if they only have a few thousand in the treasury. "significant portion of its assets" definition is pretty much up to the IRS.

My non-profit could only donate a few bucks towards the upcoming republican clean-sweep this November; I'm broke!




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[R&M]

The last section on page one worries me more than squabbling about seperation of Church and State.

'A burden on society' .

With Obamacare guess which direction that could head.