Changes to the Concealed Carry Law

[Nail1940]

No doubt there will be 'tweaking' of the CCL in the future.....some changes will be good. I really believe the rule allowing former Military folks to skip the first 8 hours of class should be eliminated. I have handled long guns and handguns for most of my 74 years and I certainly learned a lot in that first 8 hours (many others made the same comment). My class was in my small home town which is in a rural area. We had folks taking the class that were 30 and more years out of the military. They would have benefited greatly from attending the first 8 hour class.....it's just been too long since they were exposed to this type instruction. My son was in the Navy 4 years and would qualify to skip the first class.......he stated that in the service he never touched a handgun. Handgun safety is the goal of these classes and I don't think the first class should be skipped. As far as safety is concerned, it's more important than the second class........those with other opinions please state your thoughts.........Nail

 

[VeteransCCW]

Nail,

Could not agree more. I am an instructor and some of the students were a little "rusty" when we got to the range, so I agree in the name of safety everyone should attend the safety portion of the curriculum.

Be Safe

 

[wolf_fire]

Should we all attend safety classes, yes.

Should they be mandated by government thugs, no!

Training, especially safety training, is it a good idea, yes.

Should training be mandated by any governmental authority, no.

I think it is great Illinois is finally on the map of concealed carry holders, but you've still got a lot of fighting to do to have your rights restored as written in the 2A. Good luck to you all.

 

[Acasper708]

I was active duty Marine Corp with extensive rifle and pistol training as well as growing up with guns. I was really happy of being able to skip 8hrs.
I got out in 2004.
I see it both ways. It's a nice perk for prior military. But yes when I took my phase 2 class, half the class was old rusty vets that definitely should of taken first class.
The instructor had to yell seize fire cause a guy just wasn't payin attention and threatened to kick him off the range. Others didn't even know how to use the pistol they brought.

I took the class with my uncle who is a Vietnam vet. He had the best score out of everyone and pretty much had a 3" hole center mass on the silhouette for the qual test.

The instructor did strongly encourage the guys that were having problems to take a basic pistol class.

But in some states they don't require a single bit of training or class to get ur permit. So it's just how you look at it.

My personal opinion,
I strongly believe in the state requiring training and think they should make you take a 4hr refresher when u renew the permit. You can never have to much training.

 

[Acasper708]

Yes, the govn requiring the training is infringing. But with all the training I've gone through, I don't consider myself a expert in any way.

I would say 75% of the people could care less or are to lazy to even bother being properly trained. They would prefer to squeeze through the class, get their permit, and truly believe they are trained enough.

My uncle and I are already planning on taking a defensive carry class soon as well as signing up for IDPA matches at the local sportsmans club.

 

[AlphaKoncepts]

Should we all attend safety classes, yes.

Should they be mandated by government thugs, no!

Training, especially safety training, is it a good idea, yes.

Should training be mandated by any governmental authority, no.

I think it is great Illinois is finally on the map of concealed carry holders, but you've still got a lot of fighting to do to have your rights restored as written in the 2A. Good luck to you all.

I agree with all points 100%.

 

[wolf_fire]

I was active duty Marine Corp with extensive rifle and pistol training as well as growing up with guns. I was really happy of being able to skip 8hrs.
I got out in 2004.
I see it both ways. It's a nice perk for prior military. But yes when I took my phase 2 class, half the class was old rusty vets that definitely should of taken first class.
The instructor had to yell seize fire cause a guy just wasn't payin attention and threatened to kick him off the range. Others didn't even know how to use the pistol they brought.

I took the class with my uncle who is a Vietnam vet. He had the best score out of everyone and pretty much had a 3" hole center mass on the silhouette for the qual test.

The instructor did strongly encourage the guys that were having problems to take a basic pistol class.

But in some states they don't require a single bit of training or class to get ur permit. So it's just how you look at it.

My personal opinion,
I strongly believe in the state requiring training and think they should make you take a 4hr refresher when u renew the permit. You can never have to much training.

If you had written that your opinion is that people should get training and that they should continue to be refreshed on that training, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. When you say that government leaders should force their meddlesome hand on us when they can't even uphold the Amendments they are sworn to support and defend, then I cannot possibly agree with you. What I really am disappointed in, as a Marine, you swore that same oath, but you are okay with the usurpation of the 2A.

 

[Acasper708]

Yea. I hear you.
I work for the state on the highway. I see so many lazy ignorant people that can't even
maintain their vehicles, will go out with their kids in the back, and try and blame us cause they have a flay tire.
I highly doubt they would even bother to take any type of training unless they were required to.

 

[wolf_fire]

Yea. I hear you.
I work for the state on the highway. I see so many lazy ignorant people that can't even
maintain their vehicles, will go out with their kids in the back, and try and blame us cause they have a flay tire.
I highly doubt they would even bother to take any type of training unless they were required to.

There will always be people like this. But you cannot put more obstacles in front of good law-abiding citizens to keep the criminal types from doing something. Criminal types won't adhere to the law and then the only one's burdened by the law are the good honest types.

Laws are made to protect the people, not to weigh them down.

Again, I will never say that training is not a good idea. What I do say, is legislators need to follow the oath that they swore and support and defend the Constitution. This isn't just lip service for the 2A it's for all of them.

I see the 1A, 2A, 4A, 5A, and 10A being attacked daily in this country and it embroils me. Yet, most of America, are so engrossed in themselves, they aren't willing to do anything. In fact, a lot, are supportive of the usurpation of our rights. That is what is disheartening.

 

[Buff1948]

I have mixed feelings about the issue. I am a disabled Viet Nam vet that grew up on a farm and firearms. I was a gunner's mate in the Navy and served as the forward machine gunner on a River Patrol Boat and was engaged in several fire fights, getting wounded in the last one. You can believe those who say that when the sh** hits the fan, your adrenalin shoots up about 500% and you get tunnel vision. I liked not having to take the first 8 hour safety course but have to agree that there were other vets there that surely could have used the safety training course.

 

[daviscovertcarry.com]

Veterans should not have to take the first 8 hours. If they need the first 8 hours they may opt to take it themselves. They do not need to be mandated to take a basic pistol class. Some instructors simply choose not to give Veterans prior credit unless they have pistol training on their DD 214. I had one student who had been told by other instructors they wouldn't give him credit for Air Force service. His base in Viet Nam had been over ran on five separate occasions and twice he had to use a 1911 handgun. So you think he needs to take a basic pistol class? I think that is ridiculous.

 

[wolf_fire]

Veterans should not have to take the first 8 hours. If they need the first 8 hours they may opt to take it themselves. They do not need to be mandated to take a basic pistol class. Some instructors simply choose not to give Veterans prior credit unless they have pistol training on their DD 214. I had one student who had been told by other instructors they wouldn't give him credit for Air Force service. His base in Viet Nam had been over ran on five separate occasions and twice he had to use a 1911 handgun. So you think he needs to take a basic pistol class? I think that is ridiculous.

If a veteran can show that they have had pistol or rifle training, I agree.

I however was in Intel my entire time in the Air Force. I fired an M-16 a total of 33 rounds in basic training. That was the one and only time I fired any firearm. Should I be excused from their training? Using your logic, no, I shouldn't be.

However, any hoops to go through to be able to keep and bear arms, to me is an infringement on our 2nd Amendment. So, I'm not upset with the "veterans should/shouldn't" argument; I'm upset with the fact that some government officials have placed any sort of infringement on the only enumerated right that states "shall not be infringed".

 

[walknotinfear]

In the state of Florida if you are a veteran than you do not have to take a class for a concealed weapons license. Florida has some very easy rules to obtain a CCW.

 

[the dark]

In the state of Florida if you are a veteran than you do not have to take a class for a concealed weapons license. Florida has some very easy rules to obtain a CCW.

Yes, in Florida a DD214 suffices as proof of training and given the nature of the training this may or may not be a good thing. That is, the bulk of the class I took (took it even though I didn't have to with wife) mostly covered state laws related to use of lethal force in self-defense. That is not something I learned in the Army (or should I say that what I In the Army was not applicable? ) Weapons handling? No big deal.

 

[mallardhunter]

Just because you have a DD214 does not mean you can handle a fire arm or that you are safe. Some of it is training and other parts of it are your attitude. I know a game warden that grew up hunting around guns all his life. He shot and killed a follow game warden. It is a very long story and I will not bother you with the details but he broke safety rules that I grew up with and he grew up with.
I work where we have a tail board meeting before all jobs. Does not matter how many times we have done the job we still go over the safety for that job.
I do not believe that the government should impose these rules. They mess up to many things.

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[AlphaKoncepts]

If someone is showing unsafe gun handling skills, the instructor is well within their rights to refuse to certify the student (at least according to IL law). I start out my classes by telling this. 3 strikes you are out in the classroom. 1 strike you are out in the range.

 

[Nail1940]

In the state of Florida if you are a veteran than you do not have to take a class for a concealed weapons license. Florida has some very easy rules to obtain a CCW.

Florida has some very easy rules to obtain CCW??? HELLO!!
Six weeks ago I took the Illinois class, 2 full 8 hour days and 33 rounds at the range. Had a great instructor and even having handled guns for most all my 74 years I learned a lot, as did others in the class.
I am in Florida on vacation for a couple weeks and took the Florida "joke" class. Was supposed to be 3 hours, I and 2 Oriental young men and a 22 year old girl were done, rangetime and all in 1 hour! Fired 5 .22 shots down range. What a joke. We should all be concerned about the 'trained' students that are allowed to walk around with loaded guns! It's easy to see why Illinois does not reciprocate with Florida and many other states.
Nail

 

[AlphaKoncepts]

Nail, one question, should we be required to train before we vote? Should be we be required to train before we voice our opinions (free speech)? Why should we train to exercise constitutional rights? There are numerous "constitutional carry" states and seldom are there any incidents with the "untrained".

 

[mrjam2jab]

Florida has some very easy rules to obtain CCW??? HELLO!!
Six weeks ago I took the Illinois class, 2 full 8 hour days and 33 rounds at the range. Had a great instructor and even having handled guns for most all my 74 years I learned a lot, as did others in the class.
I am in Florida on vacation for a couple weeks and took the Florida "joke" class. Was supposed to be 3 hours, I and 2 Oriental young men and a 22 year old girl were done, rangetime and all in 1 hour! Fired 5 .22 shots down range. What a joke. We should all be concerned about the 'trained' students that are allowed to walk around with loaded guns! It's easy to see why Illinois does not reciprocate with Florida and many other states.
Nail

Curious...why take the IL class and THEN take the FL class? If you wanted the FL permit the IL certificate would have sufficed.

 

[AlphaKoncepts]

Curious...why take the IL class and THEN take the FL class? If you wanted the FL permit the IL certificate would have sufficed.

I was questioning the same. My spidey sense is tingling. There have been alot of plants lately on internet forums and facebook groups, reminiscent of the Obama campaign when social media was flooded with plants trying to force an agenda. I am seeing it happening again. Way too many discussion on this topic being discussed across the internet, that never really was much of an issue before. It has my spidey sense tingling.

If you look at 2 of his 5 posts, they are complaining that Illinois and Florida both need stricter requirements.



Yes Charles, not only Vermont but Alaska and Oklahoma, Arizona, Arkansas, Wyoming... How many of the "untrained" are out shooting innocent bystanders?