CCW Users put to test on Dateline?

Daven

"Gimpy"
So, a friend who also carry's told me that one of those news magazine shows (Dateline, 60 Minutes, etc) did a segment about a year ago where they brought in 5 or 6 people who carry and put them in a scenerio where they were in a classroom and an armed intruder came in and they had to shoot apparently NONE of them did a good job, most even missed the target.

Anyway, I thought I gotta see this (to laugh at it mostly) but can't find it, does anyone know what I am talking about or where to find it?

Providing a link would be awesome. thanks.

Gimpy
 
It was a pretty rigged up deal. They didn't actually pick anyone with CCW experience (or very much firearms experience at all from what I could see), they made the carrier dress in clothes that interfered with drawing and the bad guy (a police firearms instructor) knew exactly where they were sitting in the classroom (guess who got the first bullet?).

I can't find any links to the video-not even on ABC's website.

ETA: It was on 20/20. The name of the segment was "If I only had a gun"
It's not on Youtube, either.
 
This "news magazine" story was a set up from the get go. All the participants had extremely high ride holsters on, making it just next to impossible to access the weapon they were provided to carry. In addition, they were made to wear very bulky "tactical" gloves that made grasping anything a real chore. The "bad guys" (as previously pointed out) knew EXACTLY where the CC subject was sitting, insuring that they were the first ones taken out. Diane Sawyer then was able to point out in pear shaped tones that, of course, surprise surprise, having a gun does not make you safer. Why, they just proved it with that test situation. Yeah, network "reporting" at it's finest. It made great press, and reinforced already existing opinions among the elite that the unwashed masses should be disarmed. The really horrible thing was that people who do not know much regarding CCW issues would not see the set up and think that this was a fair and honest report. I do believe that this piece of propaganda was titled "Do I really want a gun". It was yellow journalism at its worst.
MR
 
It was 20/20 Diane Sawyer did a spot called If I only had a gun.
It was a complete farce. Almost everyone they got to try and defend themselves had no experience concealed carrying. The assailant was a professional firearms instructor and all the test subjects were in the white zone.

The test subjects were given extremely large shirts and gloves. It was a very rigged test, rigged to fail and it did. But firearms advocates all over requested it be done again with experienced/trained concealed carriers and no response from 20/20.
 
I believe this is the rigged experiment you are looking for.

'If I Only Had a Gun': Click Here for 20/20 Special - ABC News

I would also like to say that the gloves they had on I have shot with.. and shot just fine.. However You cant just hand someone a gun and expect them to know how to use it.. Pulling a gun from a holster and bringing it up on target in one motion takes time. 20/20 really pissed me off when they did this still..
 
Pathetic journalism!!! They should be extremely ashamed of themselves. Any true concealed carry student understands training, training, training, along with practice, practice, practice!!!
 
Thank you!

Wow, totally set up. I wish they would have done a more non-biased story. Maybe someone will do a follow up show that will be more realistic...but I doubt it.
 
Even if someone did... someone would find a way to bash it. The media is ridiculous. Fill that room up with people that know how to use a firearm woulda turned out a lot different. Its hard to tell someone that knows NOTHING about firearms though that they are not a device straight from hell... I have many Canadian friends that I have educated on weapons and they eat news like this report up. Send it to me and are like "SEE guns are bad." always end up convincing them otherwise but its still annoying.
 
As everybody replied; it was a Diane Sawyer farce. To make it more ridiculous, she finished with that instead of a gun, a cell phone is your best chance of saving yourself in an armed encounter. The convoluted train of thought required to utter such nonsense is amazing.
 
What on earth kinda holster is that? Why not just put it in a locked box? And if Diane knew what was going to happen, why didn't she have her gun drawn?
 
I think its a good thing that they let the public know what happens to someone under stress, but the only thing this video makes me want to do is keep training or even get others to train. Oh, and Joey couldn't have been given a bigger shirt.
 
Absolute confirmation of deceit. They are my enemy.

Of course I never watch that irrelevant video rag anyway.

But they are still my enemy. :angry:
 
I agree. The "test" was doomed from the start, and it's obvious that 20/20 had their usual anti-gun agenda in mind beforehand.

I'm hardly a "cowboy", but consider constant practice a must for those who carry. I belong to a range (Boulder City Rifle & Pistol Club) that has a specific range for the members to practice "quick draw" and firing techniques. I practice at least once a month...bringing the gun out of the holster and engaging the target.

Also, every evening before taking the gun off my belt, I draw the weapon. (Of course, keeping my finger out of the trigger guard.) This ensures that I've at least practiced with different configurations of clothing that I might wear on a given day.
 
I agree that was an unfair test and they practically say so in the interview. If you want to carry you need to train. Its just like everything in life, practice, practice, practice.

On another note, that cop who shoots himself in the foot makes me laugh every time. He is the Tim Taylor of police officers.
 
The idea of concealed carry is that the bad guy doesn't know who may or may not have a gun. They basically gave these college kids, who's prior experience with a gun may have been limited to duck hunter on Nintendo, a small amount of training and sent them to class with a gun. Not having enough time to even process the mindset necessary to carry a gun, let alone use it effectively, they are then faced with a bad guy who magically knows who has the gun and immediately neutralizes him.

This was a complete setup and doesn't reflect a real shooting scenario. Test the same situation with an experienced gun owner and the element of surprise and I guarantee you'll get a different result.
 
So, a friend who also carry's told me that one of those news magazine shows (Dateline, 60 Minutes, etc) did a segment about a year ago where they brought in 5 or 6 people who carry and put them in a scenerio where they were in a classroom and an armed intruder came in and they had to shoot apparently NONE of them did a good job, most even missed the target.

Anyway, I thought I gotta see this (to laugh at it mostly) but can't find it, does anyone know what I am talking about or where to find it?

Providing a link would be awesome. thanks.

Gimpy


I know of the segment you are referring to. Trust me, this WAS NOT a scenario where ANY of the individuals involved were experienced in concealed carry. Not by a long shot!

In fact they had all received a rushed firearms training course with paintball sim-rounds from an open carry stance. Keep in mind that the media specifically selected the participants for the video, it WAS NOT RANDOM! Then they were placed in a concealed carry stance for an exercise, take note of the firearm position at the appendix and under the shirt which IS NOT what they were trained on. One thing to note is that the video clearly illustrates that the person with the defensive capability was intentionally placed in the same seated area (within 1 chair) for every scenario, regardless of who the shooter was.

The BG's were trained SRT/SWAT officers who already had the above information, which is VERY important to note...highly trained individuals with an informational advantage...duh. What's also a red flag is that the rest of the audience IS NOT randomized from the population, they are in fact confederates intentionally selected and informed to respond in chaos rather than to protect their lives. It was a skewed scenario from the start...intentionally so.

Trust in this: You put EVERY one of those SRT members in the same situation and randomize how BG's will be entering, how BG's are dressed, when the BG's are entering, what room it will occur in, and give the BG's the knowledge of where a defensive shooter will be... you can bet your paycheck for the next year that EVERY SRT member WILL fail and be shot.

There's a huge difference in taking untrained individuals off the street and giving them confusing training and taking a trained individual off the street for this type of application.

Know this, I had tried and still have yet to receive a response to requests to have a follow-up version of this with my fellow firearms instructors up against SRT members and the untrained public to illustrate that everyone will fail when a BG is given information prior to on the exact location of a defensive shooter. Granted, it could have went to a junkmail or spam folder, so who knows.

ABC and anyone responsible for the production and airing of this totally biased video, especially the anti-2A LEOs that were involved, should have been chastised for their involvement and intent to disarm lawful carry through such garbage propaganda.
 
That is quite the ridiculous setup they had with all those people just running through the line of fire without trying to at least tackle the BG. Also, it looked like they gave Joey some sort of extra retention type holster that he had no experience with. Totally unnecessary with concealed carry. Also, who taught him to draw his shirt with the gun???:angry:
 

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