Hi All, New to the forum. My question is would you consider doing a trigger job on your ( GLOCK 19 GEN 4 ) EDC . Please Let me know why you would or would NOT. Thanks in advanced to all your help and comments.
:smile: I would; I have; and I do.
I'm laughing to myself, right now, because those of us who have spent years working on ORIGINAL Gen. 3 Glocks know that towards the end of 2010 Glock GmbH changed the trigger bar's, 'kick-plate' configuration on all future gen. 3; and, subsequently, on all 4th gen. Glocks as well.
Glock sear-plate tabs used to engage a full two-thirds of the striker lug; but, after the change, kick-plate tabs, now, engage as much as three-quarters of the striker lug's face. (So the inherent safety margin for, either, working on striker lug/trigger bar sear-plates or just plain dropping your Glock pistol has been permanently increased.)
‘Why’ did I significantly improve the action and trigger pull on my Glocks? Because I carry one Glock, or another, with me everyday; I’ve been in more than my fair share of armed confrontations; and, I’ll be damned before I’ll allow myself to, either, miss a target and die, or become seriously wounded because I was trying to CQB pistol gunfight, effectively, with one of Gaston’s cheap, expediently manufactured, genuinely crappy, plastic pistols in my hands - THAT is, ‘Why’!
(I, also, own all of the necessary tools; I’ve got more than 40 years of general gunsmithing experience; and I’m a talented pistolsmith, with a specialty in modifying and repairing cheap plastic pistols.)
This seems like a classic case of, ‘the blind leading the blind’; however, if my audience primarily consisted of ‘the sweating, ignorant, naive and unwitting masses’ of today’s handgun owners, maybe - just maybe - I'd start handing out advice like Farago’s (and Ayoob’s) precautions, too; but, I’m not a published gunzine author; and I continue to hold to the opinion that anyone who’s competent enough to fix a bicycle, install and run a computer, or even to change the oil in his car should be more than able to use the same mechanical acumen to successfully modify a crappy Glock.
Heck, I wish my brand new computer came with the kind of published on-line information and videos that are available for my Glock pistols; and NO I am NOT referring to moronic YouTube, ‘
Hey, watch me screw with my Glock’ videos. (I’m talking about the commercial Glock books and videos that the people at AGI, and Robert and Morgan Boatman produce.)
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Read the several replies by former Glock Talk member, ‘Arc Angel’. (How about that! Same name as me!) When you get done reading his insightful replies, open Arc Angel’s blog. There you’ll have opportunities to learn what makes a Glock, 'tick' and gain valuable insights into how to skillfully modify your Glock pistol's trigger to simply perform better!
Caution: What happens if one tries to procure honey from a honeybee hive, and is not properly trained to do so?
Watch one you tube video, and post on a honey forum a couple times, and then just go for it? People die every year, from messing with bee hives. Sometimes even seasoned professionals die. For someone that does not have a Glock Armorers Class, along with experience on how to use that knowledge, and you just start off fiddling, you are holding on to a hornets nest.Sure, lots of people do it. Some people miserably fail at it.
Problem: Few actions, getting a reaction, are ever limited to just the action you are trying to achieve. Working inside a Glock, or other pistol, to achieve a cleaner trigger, costs someone a hand, leg, or death, almost daily.
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Although the pictures are dated and, ‘yesterday’s news’ the advice given in the above reply is sound. Nobody - as in, ‘NOBODY’ - should ever just jump into screwing around with a Glock’s trigger mechanism. ‘Why?’ Because bad things can, and do, happen. Now, remember I was a decent pistolsmith before I bought my first Glock; and, at the same time, I spent over a year on Glock Talk, and purchased several commercial books, and professional videos BEFORE I began working on the several Glock pistols I had acquired in the interim.
I must have done something right, too, because the Glock triggers I have worked on function more like a SIG or H&K trigger than they do like the original factory-stock, cheap junk triggers that they used to be.
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As for the NY1 trigger, that's a different combination: (INSERT GLOCK MOD VIDEO FROM ORIGINAL POST HERE!)
WARNING: The above referenced video is so bad, such a technical abortion, that nobody in his right mind should attempt to follow the producer’s cacamayme advice. The guy, very clearly, knows next-to-nothing about working on a Glock pistol; and, yet, there he is showing everybody, in his own inimitable pseudo-intellectual (Read, ‘internet gun forum’) way, how to screw with a Glock.
Here’s how to correctly remove a Glock’s frame pins:
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Here’s how to correctly disassemble a Glock pistol:
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Here’s how to correctly reassemble a Glock pistol:
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If you don’t know how to run a Dremel Tool then you should practice on old pieces of scrap metal until you’re able to do it right. Working with Q-Tips and Flitz Metal Polish is - in my experience - a complete waste of time and energy. (Remember Arc Angel’s advice: Work at low RPM - no higher than 1,500 RPM - and stay away from all edges and corners!)
Personally, I wouldn’t put an NY trigger in a Glock. Sure some people like it, and others like GT’s, ‘Butch’ swear by it; but it should be remembered that both Glock’s NY-1, and NY-2 triggers were originally designed as, ‘field expedient triggers’ in order to help police officers in New York, and Miami transition over from their revolvers. That’s it! No black magic, nor star wars improvement in Glock's original basic trigger technology. Some shooters insist that it’s easier to keep a Glock up and running with an NY spring than it is with a standard coil spring; but, this isn’t really true for anyone who genuinely knows how to run a Glock.
THE PRINCIPAL TRIGGER RESET MECHANISM IN EVERY GLOCK PISTOL IS PHYSICAL RECOIL - NOT THE FORCE DERIVED FROM THE TRIGGER SPRING. PERIOD.
(Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.)
Glock pistols were never (originally) designed to be fired with a, more or less, double-action feeling to the trigger mechanism. The one true outstanding advantage to Glock pistols is that they have the absolutely best trigger reset timing and feel of all the striker-fired plastic pistols except the new H&K VP9’s which have been deliberately designed with an improved trigger in them. This might, also, be true of Walther’s recently improved PPQ plastic pistols, too. (I haven’t shot a Walther PPQ, yet; but this is what people who have are telling me.)
So, what did I do, and what do I have in my very well proven custom-built Glock pistols that the OP might be interested in? To begin with, I also recommend Ghost, Inc.’s, ‘EVO’ connector. Hands down and moving away, Ghost’s EVO is the best Glock connector on the planet. You’re, more than likely, NOT going to be able to just drop it right into your Glock, though. You'll need to study Ghost’s excellent on-line tutorial and installation instructions, first. Why? Because there’s a lot of mechanical slop across Glock’s model lineup; and, as a result, sometimes it’s necessary to tweak a new Ghost connector until it performs properly in a particular Glock pistol.
(DO NOT LOAD UP AND FIRE FULL MAGAZINES UNTIL AFTER YOU KNOW THE INSTALLATION IS WORKING ACCORDING TO SPECIFICATION.)
After learning the hard way, the first thing I do with a brand new Glock is trash all of the factory’s, ‘outside contractor-supplied’ springs and replace them, all, with MUCH BETTER Wolff Gunsprings (out of Newtown Square, PA).
Reset WILL IMPROVE if you install Wolff’s, ‘EP’ (or, ‘extra power’) 6# trigger spring AND, ‘EP’ 6# striker spring. (Yes, I know that Wolff has these springs marked, ‘
for competition use only’; but I’ve talked to Dave Kobenseky about this; and I would dare to say that I understand Glock spring physics very well and know how to properly set a Glock’s trigger mechanism up for flawless performance.)
I’ve, also, been carrying and using this particular spring setup in all of my Glocks for the past twelve years; but, to be as entirely objective as I know how, I REALLY DO KNOW HOW to setup and run a Glock pistol - OK. However, ‘Joe Schmo’ taking his Glock apart in his basement, might have a problem. What is the cardinal sin with Glock action springs?
THERE IS A SYNERGY AMONG A GLOCK’S THREE PRINCIPAL SPRINGS THAT ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY MAINTAINED. ALL GLOCK SPRINGS SHOULD BE AT OR ABOVE STANDARD FACTORY WEIGHTS. WITH ONLY ONE OR TWO EXCEPTIONS YOU CANNOT SAFELY MIX LIGHTWEIGHT, AND HEAVYWEIGHT GLOCK ACTION SPRINGS.
Do not ever use a lighter weight striker spring with a heavier weight trigger and/or recoil spring. Because anyone who makes THIS serious mistake just might suddenly discover what can go very wrong with an incorrectly setup Glock. (Personally I wish they’d take the 4.5# striker springs off the market because, in the wrong hands, these lightweight springs are, nothing but, trouble.)
I don’t have a, ‘light trigger’ pull in any of my Glocks. What I have are very clean, very smooth, fast-breaking triggers. My trigger pulls, measured from the center of the trigger’s face, occupy a range between 4.9 and 5.2 lb. More than safe enough for street carry and combat; and, as I said, I’ve got twelve years of daily use to prove it! (I’ve, also, taken two standing ovations from an audience of police officers for the speed and accuracy at which I’ve been able to fire my Glocks - Entire magazines, ‘dumped’ into a tight 9 inch circle at 16 1/2 yards, just as fast as I could get the slide to cycle! When I’m regularly practiced, I'm able to do this over and over again! Same thing on rows of plates, too.)
‘Why’ am I publishing this? Because gunzine writers with their overly cautious gun safety folderol have a tendency to go way too far. There ARE good and valid reasons for a skilled gunman to customize his pistols. (One of my closest acquaintances, who retired from the FBI as a well-regarded, ‘CQB pistol gunfighter’, always did!) :wink: