CCW Privacy Waiver NV

12Roses

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Perhaps someone could clarify this a little better for me. I live in Reno and want to apply for a concealed weapons permit there. But Have been hesitant because of a privacy waiver that is included as part of the application. The waiver which states:

"To whom it may concern:

I authorize you to furnish washoe county sheriff's office with any and all information that you have concerning me, my employment records, my reputation, my mental health condition, and my military service records. Information of a confidential or privileged nature may be included. your reply will assist the police department in determining my qualifications and suitability for a concealed firearms permit.

In compliance with Federal Confidentiality Rules (42 CFR, part 2), this waiver includes the release of medical records for the admission and discharge dates to a mental health facility for treatment of mental health.

In addition to the above requested information, you may release arrests, detentions, field citations, field interview cards, officers records, jail/custody booking records, traffic citations, and traffic accident information, district attorney records, court records and reports, probation and parole reports and records, laboratory reports and results, and any other criminal justice records, reports or information source.

This authorization and request is given freely and without duress, voluntarily waiving any protection against unauthorized disclosure of information under the privacy act and any other legal provisions, and with the understanding that information furnished will be used by the washoe county sheriffs office in conjunction with my application for a concealed firearms permit.

I hereby release you, you organization and others from any liability or damage which may result from furnishing the information requested,including any liability pursuant to any state or local code or ordinance or any similar laws.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of Nevada, that the forgoing is true and correct.

______________________________ signature ________________ date"



I have been unable to find out what they do with your information, how, where and how long it is stored and if there is a way to retract permission if you no longer hold a concealed weapons permit. I even asked and employee at the sheriffs office and she had no idea. Neither did my CCW instructor. I should probably make it clear I do not have any criminal record, but as a privacy advocate I do care about what I am signing away. I just doesn't make sense that you can carry a weapon openly with no such application but just putting your shirt over the gun requires all this red tape. I am debating if I should go through with my application or just OC to avoid signing shady papers.

And please no "if you have nothing to hide just sign it" answers. I am looking for real information, thanks.
 
I have no information about how that info is used, but as I was reading it I got through the first few sentences before forming my opinion that I would never sign something like that, and would just OC instead. I think your instincts are good. Go with 'em.

There are several of us on this site who believe OC has a deterrent effect on criminals, and reject the notion that you'll "be the first one shot" etc. because that is almost never credibly reported as happening. Depending on your state law, you may have to come in contact with more cops than you really want to, but I'd talk to cops every day of my life rather than sign that kind of intrusive garbage, or rather than go unarmed. For whatever it's worth, I only started OC'ing a little less than a year ago after CC'ing for around 35 years. I have yet to have a single cop or store manager or anything other than a thumbs-up from another OC'er I saw just the other day say a word to me about it. I've been surprised how many people don't even notice it, and how many of those who do, don't make any kind of deal out of it.

When you think about it, since you don't have to ask permission to OC in your state, it's really the only way to actually exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, as all you're exercising with a permission slip is a privilege that your state can take away just as "easy" as they granted it to you. My state is the same - I don't have to have a permission slip to OC. We don't have that kind of disclosure form, but still I'm debating on whether or not to just let my permission slip go just because I "feel" freer when I'm not relying on it to carry.
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Blues
 
Thank you for the advice BluesStringer.

@Kali0468 Unfortunately Nevada does not honor Idaho permits (or any other state beginning with I). And that sucks because I looked up their application and it seems much simpler and more straight forward.
 
12Rose, thanks for the information and heads up on the“privacy”waiver, I was considering applying for a NV ccw until I read that. Went to the NV and ID State web sites and found some information that may be helpful to the forum readers. CAVEAT; this information is based on my own research and opinions, seek legal consul to confirm. First, NV does recognize ID’s “enhanced” ccw permit but........to obtain an ID non-resident “enhanced “ ccw you MUST have a current ccw from your RESIDENT state. If you are a RESIDENT of NV it would appear you are out of luck for an ID non-resident “enhanced” ccw. You may want to go to NV’s web site and check what states they have reciprocity with. I checked NM, KS and NE, unfortunately those states do not issue non-resident ccw’s, you may want to check the eastern states listed. Good luck.
 
Thank you khsmith55, I will continue to research my options to see if there is a more reasonable, private application that is recognized by Nevada. The current conundrum that I am having reminds me that a Concealed weapons permit is usually not just going through an additional background check and having your prints/photo taken. It's a back door form of very invasive and unnecessary control. Look what happened in California, they got rid of open carry and replaced it with permission slip only concealed carry.

NV isn't the only state to have a disconcerting waiver. (and I will be fair, I copied this from Woodstock Advocate) Illinois has one as well:

What does this waiver say?

"430 ILCS 66/30 (b) The application shall contain the following:
(3) a waiver of the applicant's privacy and confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal and state laws, including those limiting access to juvenile court, criminal justice, psychological, or psychiatric records or records relating to any institutionalization of the applicant, and an affirmative request that a person having custody of any of these records provide it or information concerning it to the Department;"

It says "a waiver of the applicant's privacy and confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal and state laws..." and then it proceeds to identify a few of them.

But note that, as worded, it is a waiver of all of the applicant's privacy and confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal and state laws...

You have a right to remain silent. Are you waiving that?

You have the right to an attorney. Are you waiving that?

You have a right regarding search and seizure. Are you waiving that?

You have ... etc., etc., etc. Beginning to get the picture?

Before you apply for a concealed carry license, you may want to talk with your attorney and get his or her opinion about the legal meaning and extent of the waiver you are required to grant. Make that call before you sign the application. Be sure to ask if you grant the waiver, can you ever rescind it?


We really need to take Constitutional Carry legislation seriously to try and get it passed to end the harassment IMO.

It's a pity, I spent all that money on my CCW class, a tiny gun and concealed holster and didn't see the waiver till the end...
 
If you are a resident of Nevada, I believe you need a Nevada permit to carry concealed even if you have a permit from one of the states that Nevada would honor.
 

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