CCW May Issue - How can that be legal?

Mitchell

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May Issue = Unequal Protectiion Under Law = Civil Rts. Violation

Hello,
I am new to this forum.
I have been wanting to purchase a handgun for personal protection when I am out of the house, but like so many, I have discovered that I am likely to be denied a CCW permit by my local and state authorities.
I live in California.

What seems odd to me about a CCW permitting policy of 'May Issue' is that even if there were validity in the argument against abiding by the law of the land and the 2nd amendment, there would seem to be a serious issue with the now well accepted 'civil rights' (And why not use the law to advantage?).

I feel that it is a certain violation of the 'civil rights' of equal treatment under the law. If one person is granted fire power and I am denied the same and thus forced to remain unarmed and hence more vulnerable to slaying, than I am being treated as a second class citizen. My right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is being denied, thwarted, curtailed, cut off, and Black's dictionary. I am being <singled out> for culling. I think that's illegal or unlawful in every state at this time.

If it was a 'Will Not Issue' situation, maybe the argument would be weaker, but that is not the case in my state of California. 'May Issue' is either arbitrarily or intentionally preferential in its results and that is unlawful.

[What I am suggesting is that there is no need to argue 2nd Amendment in order to show that "May Issue" is a violation of Civil Rights and does not provide for Equal Protection Under the Law.

Law enforcement obviously is unaffected by this argument, but everyone else that may be granted or not granted the permit is.

I am sure I am not nearly the first to question along these lines, am I?
What do you think?
Mitchell
 
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In Missouri, you can buy a handgun or a rifle or a shotgun when and where you want, presuming no Form 4473 issues. No restrictions on weapons purchases or on ammo purchases, either.

We have the Castle Doctrine here, so you can carry and defend in your home, on your property or in your vehicle, following state laws. Most communities in MO align with the state law that permits open carry; there are local options that allow smaller civic authorities to say no to open carry but they exist usually around KC and STL.

Concealed carry is permitted after an 8-hour class and a NICS BG check, presuming your local Sheriff is on the beam; most are. MO is a Shall Issue state for this. It costs a bunch and it has to be renewed. But Missouri may be the best state in the union for firearms ownership and carry. I carry a .45 and a .380 BUG every day, almost everywhere.
 
I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.
 
Never say never. CA may one day adopt "shall issue". You only need to start electing the right people. I've seen tremendous swings in political will over my almost 50 years and would not be surprised to see some constitutional rulings that make CA's "may issue" stance moot in the next couple years.

In the mean time, fight for your right!

P.S. I lived in CA for 19 years. There are a LOT of pro 2A folks all over that state.
 
I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.

Depending upon the outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego, California may have no choice.
 
LA District Attorney Steve Cooley just conceded the race for attorney general to San Francsico District Attorney, Kamala Harris.

She is anti gun. So, i suspect that for the next 4 years at least, we will have a hard time trying to get any pro gun laws passed in CA.
 
I just recieved my CA CCW from the Riverside Sheriff's Dept. The guys over at the CCW Unit are super cool. It took me two months to get it. I am just a regular guy working for a small business in Murrieta CA. I do not have any hook up with the Sheriff or anything like that. I dont think this process for CA is that hard. Fill in the paperwork, go to the class, qualifiy your (3) guns and wait. All of the people around me who have submitted the application have received there CCW.
 
I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.

Several counties already have become virtual shall issue, and the rest are toppling like dominoes. Check out the Project Sunshine initiative being done by the CalGuns Foundation.
 
I too live in California (Fresno county) and the sherriff here is 100% pro 2A.And i have had my permit for 3 yrs.
And there is other counties that are pro 2A.But for alot of counties getting a permit is difficult if not out right impossible.
Dont give up and keep fighting for your rights.I too believe California will become shall issue in the future.
 
Here in NJ CCW is "may issue" and is next to impossibe. You must show (extreem) nessessity. Seems since the Heller case, states like mine, Ill and Wis which have no CC at all have a best chance at going to federal court. If "the right to keep and bear arms" has been deemed an individual, not collective right and no law inforcement agency in the country has the obligation or is civilly liable to protect a person in an attack. Then one would conclude 1) No one or no agency hes the responsibility to protect you. 2) Being denied the right to carry is being denied the only means one has to defend them self in a life theating situation. Thus being denied the right to "life liberty and the pusute if happieness.
 
LA District Attorney Steve Cooley just conceded the race for attorney general to San Francsico District Attorney, Kamala Harris.

She is anti gun. So, i suspect that for the next 4 years at least, we will have a hard time trying to get any pro gun laws passed in CA.

Thankfully the AG has absolutely nothing to do with making law, beyond recommendations. And any legislator that is Pro2A will likely ignore an anti-2A AG. But, yeah, it may have just gotten a bit tougher when it comes to enforcement. There may be silver lining. If Ms. Harris pushes hard, there could be a huge backlash, inclluding court cases. These could render much of her enforcement moot.

It is up to the PEOPLE!

Good luck! Keep fighting! And Happy Thanksgiving.
 
Never say never. CA may one day adopt "shall issue". You only need to start electing the right people. I've seen tremendous swings in political will over my almost 50 years and would not be surprised to see some constitutional rulings that make CA's "may issue" stance moot in the next couple years.

In the mean time, fight for your right!

P.S. I lived in CA for 19 years. There are a LOT of pro 2A folks all over that state.

Islander , I can only say you hit the nail when you said watch who your vote for and throw the crooks out of office. We the people will prevail
 
Good luck trying to get these progressive socialists in this state to pass a "shall issue" law. I'm fortunate now to live in a gun friendly county, but that wasn't the case when I lived on the central coast. It is certainly ironic that I have a CCW for AZ & UT too. But I did get a CCW here in 2009 and feel much better not to be risking a felony offense if I'm ever stopped.
That being said I see that others have information I wasn't aware of regarding judicial proceedings. However I recall reading about a county sheriff in the LA area that revoked and refused to renew any CCW permits (Orange County?). I don't get a lot of free time to explore and get on forums much, but would appreciate if anyone has any information.
I wish you luck Mitchell on getting a CCW her in CA. We are absolutely going to need them here.
 
I just recieved my CA CCW from the Riverside Sheriff's Dept. The guys over at the CCW Unit are super cool. It took me two months to get it. I am just a regular guy working for a small business in Murrieta CA. I do not have any hook up with the Sheriff or anything like that. I dont think this process for CA is that hard. Fill in the paperwork, go to the class, qualifiy your (3) guns and wait. All of the people around me who have submitted the application have received there CCW.


Congrats on receiving your CCW Love62!

LIke you I live in Riverside county and as soon as I purchase my second weapon, I'll be applying for a CCW. But I've always heard you need a better reason than just "to protect myself". Can you give me any help in giving the best responses on my application?

Thanks!
 
All depends on where you live and if the sheriff supports ccw. Just another reason to vote. I live in Sacramento and was able to get mine no problem you knew what to say for the reason, but the sheriff supports ccw and doesn't care about the reason as long as background check and training pass.
 
Reason for CCW

Congrats on receiving your CCW Love62!

LIke you I live in Riverside county and as soon as I purchase my second weapon, I'll be applying for a CCW. But I've always heard you need a better reason than just "to protect myself". Can you give me any help in giving the best responses on my application?

Thanks!
JRM, I'm in Tulare County and one of the very friendly Sheriff's assistants told me that same thing. I responded with "I also carry large amounts of cash for my business". :biggrin:
But what I really wanted to say was "Reason? We don't need no stinkin' reason!" :laugh:
Cheers!
 
Forced to move?

I understand your sentiment, but I have to disagree. This is not a flame on you or anyone else. I don't like the idea of gunowners simply giving up on a state and cutting and running. I want to see people put up the good fight against the injustices against gunowners in states like CA, MA, NJ and NY. Fight the good fight.

I like your attitude G50AE and I agree completely. Seems the NRA gave up on CA years ago. But not so with some other groups out there. The media and politicos are trying to divide against each other too. They try to pit hunters against the CCW crowd (or have in the past). But now they're pissing all gun owners off with their senseless and stupid ammunition laws.
 
Move to a freedom loving state and leave the BS behind.

There is something called the distilling effect. When you distill water you get pure water coming out, but you also concentrate the crap left behind. Unless you think CA politics have no effect on the rest of the country, a stay and fight tactic is about the only solution. Besides. I've traveled a lot. I've never seen a state more worth fighting for than CA.
 
I live in Sacramento County, and I just received approval for my CCW (never in a million years thought it could happen here). Sacramento is the first county that the Calguns Foundation has "persuaded" to go Shall Issue. A number of court cases are proceeding that will eventually (no more than a few years) lead to Shall Issue across all counties in CA.

The politicians here will never pass a Shall Issue bill, but it doesn't matter. Court rulings will force all Sheriffs in CA to comply with a Shall Issue style of issuance.

Before you decide not to apply, be certain that you haven't been misinformed about the CCW issuance in your county.
 

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