CCW Holder Fired By Pizza Hut


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Bohemian

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A 10 year plus Pizza Hut Employee and long time CCW permit holder was recently fired for defending himself...

Pizza Hut deliveryman James Spiers thought he was making a routine delivery, but he was walking into an ambush. As Spiers approached, an armed man sprang at him with a gun, but Spiers, a concealed-carry permit holder, was no easy target. Police say Spiers struggled hard with the assailant until he was able to produce his handgun. "It was a long ordeal... my life was, without a doubt, in danger," Spiers recalls. Spiers shot the suspect three times. The suspect fled and was arrested at the hospital. Pizza Hut summarily fired Spiers, a 10-year employee, citing a corporate policy forbidding employees from carrying firearms. To voice your displeasure, call Pizza Hut Corporate Offices at 800-948-8488 or visit Link Removed
Source: The Armed Citizen, July 2008 Issue, The American Hunter Magazine, NRA Offical Journal of the National Rifle Association
and (The Des Moines Register, Des Moines, IA, 04/03/2008)

AND BOYCOTT PIZZA HUT UNTIL THEY RESOLVE THIS, AS I AM.
 

HK4U

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Unfortunately with a lot of jobs today it comes down to abiding by their rules and taking a chance with your life of carrying and run the risk of being fired. I would not do any kind of night delivery work without a firearm. It is just to dangerous. It is to bad he lost his job but better the job than his life.
 

tcotariu

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I agree with HK4U, I would never make night deliveries without a weapon for self defense.

On the other hand, I recognize the rights of the company to set its own policies and rules for employment.

Do I frequent Pizza Hut?
No.

Would I like to force them to publicly apologize?
No, they were following their written policies that the employee agreed to abide by.

Would I like to see them apologize?
Definitely, yes. I disagree with their policies, but that doesn’t make them in violation of the 2nd Amendment. The employee agreed to the terms of employment. This a a contractual thing not a criminal thing.

Am I with the Democrats and Obama?
No, but I still think that Pizza Hut was well within their rights to set their own company policies.

Just because you disagree with somebody does not necessarily make them wrong, all opinions are valid. What makes somebody wrong is trying to force their opinions and values on others. In this case since the employee agreed to work for them under their terms of employment you really can not say that they forced him to do anything or restricted his rights in any way. He violated his employment contract and suffered the consequences.
 

Scarecrow

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yes too bad he lost his job.. but I support what he did. I would have done the same.. and I mean at least it was only pizza hut.. he can find something better I am sure.
 

NDS

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Pizza hut has long been known for its anti-employee safety stance. I'd happily join the boycott but they'd never notice--I've not bought their crappy pizza in years...
 

Stiofan

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I work nights and can't carry, but I'm locked indoors and it's well into morning when I leave the parking lot. Still, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to say goodbye to some crappy delivery job if my life depended on it. I'm sure he can find other work and I'm sure this case is reverberating through the employee ranks of Pizza Hut. They may lose out in the end.

Being a small business owner for the last 14 years, I want the freedom to set my terms of hire and employment as long as I am not breaking any laws. I don't think PH is doing that here. Let them decide who to hire and fire, let me decide where I should work.

I'm not a fan of activists, boycotts, rallies, marches and the like. The guy defended himself properly, he should have no problem finding a better place to work.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
Pizza Hut blows. I don't go there anyway.

I'd say it's ok to raise a stink about this incident though. Employers may set policies, but they do not have the right to tell someone what they can or cannot carry on their person, so long as the item does not violate the law, and it does not interfere with their work performance.

If the gun would not have been used, it (presumably) would not have been discovered except by a search, which the employer is not authorized to carry out. Thus, this could be construed as representing the result of an unreasonable search.
 

Stiofan

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Pizza Hut blows. I don't go there anyway.

I'd say it's ok to raise a stink about this incident though. Employers may set policies, but they do not have the right to tell someone what they can or cannot carry on their person, so long as the item does not violate the law, and it does not interfere with their work performance.

If the gun would not have been used, it (presumably) would not have been discovered except by a search, which the employer is not authorized to carry out. Thus, this could be construed as representing the result of an unreasonable search.


Oh please, that's ridiculous. Employers take urine and saliva samples all the time. I would think that is a bit more unreasonable than having employees walk through a metal detector for a gun search, which also happens at many places.

Pizza Hut may be ah*les, but they do have the right to set standards for their employees, as does GM, the Post Office, Allstate Insurance and Bank of America. How many of those do you figure allow guns on their property or allow employees to carry while working? There are thousands of corporations with written policies against guns during work. Are they all breaking the law? According to you they are.
 

Bohemian

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What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do these corporations and some individuals responding to this thread not understand?

You can not read any thing else into it...

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If you fail to oppose any and all anti-gun measures, bans, etc., public and private, government, city, state or other municipality, you are supporting them and you may as well register to vote democrat and openly support Barack Hussein Obama, Billary Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chuck Schumer, Michael Bloomberg, et. al.,[/FONT] instead of closet support by your non-action(s); as you clearly fail to comprehend your fundamental, inalienable, god given right to defend yourself, your family, friends, neighbors, peers etc., by any means necessary, anywhere, anytime, any place; reaffirmed by the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

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Palmach

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This seems to be the way of the world lately. I know here in Florida they just passed a bill that would protect the rights of citizens to still have weapons in their cars. It seems that there was an attempt to ban even having guns in the parking lots of companies.

I know my wife's company just made it company policy to ban firearms in the workplace. She will now have to leave hers in the car. I am not thrilled about that, as many years ago, I had a weapon stolen from my vehicle when I was unable to carry it legally in the place I had stopped.

I can honestly say that I have never eaten at Pizza Hut, so no great loss. However, it is ridiculous to me that a driver, who carries money, has to go to some questionable areas, and is easily set up, should not be able to protect himself against the BG's.
 

toreskha

Titles are un-American.
Oh please, that's ridiculous. Employers take urine and saliva samples all the time. I would think that is a bit more unreasonable than having employees walk through a metal detector for a gun search, which also happens at many places.
Employees can consent to those measures. However, they are not likely to consent to being robbed and having to defend themselves.

Pizza Hut may be ah*les, but they do have the right to set standards for their employees, as does GM, the Post Office, Allstate Insurance and Bank of America. How many of those do you figure allow guns on their property or allow employees to carry while working? There are thousands of corporations with written policies against guns during work. Are they all breaking the law? According to you they are.
Is that the logic of, "if everyone's doing it, then it must be ok"?
 

Ruger Lady

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I think this happen awhile ago. If this is the same incident, the employee handbook this guy got didn't state anything about not being able to carry a firearm. It was only after the shooting he found out.
I haven't eaten a PH in a long time and won't again. I believe it's my God given right to defend myself and I chose to do that with a firearm.
 

Bohemian

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What is important is that you not only boycott pizza hut, but you LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU ARE BOYCOTTING THEM AND WHY.
...call Pizza Hut Corporate Offices at 800-948-8488 or visit Link Removed

In addition, write the media and let them know...
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Additionally, write your representatives...
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"If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing" ... George Washington
 

whiskey

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If this guy had followed Pizza Hut policy he would have faced death or serious bodily injury. Guess what? In Connecticut you can draw down and defend yourself against perceived "death or serious bodily injury". This alludes to something much bigger than the driver or Pizza Hut- America has pimped out and sold it's morals for $$MONEY$$. Pizza Hut doesn't care if their employees live or die. Their policy is set by their insurance company. They'd rather save money than do the right thing (Wal-Mart anyone?).Just look at NAFTA and other free-trade agreements. Toyotas are made in the US and Fords are made in Mexico. Ford's QC is shit while Toyotas continually are rewarded with "best in class" quality and resale value. The difference is American workers. You guys got me started on a tangent. Who wants a bunch of cheap/plastic/toxic shit made in China anyway? Not me. But alot of us do. All the while laying off American workers, strenghthening China (the next superpower), and killing your own downtown. Do the right thing by keeping your money in America. It will strengthen the dollar and build confidence/pride in our beautiful country.

"Semper Fidelis" to all Americans

- echo_5
 

whiskey

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after a quick search, found:

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I'm sure there's more, but this is enough to convince me that anyone working a second job for extra $$ should carry. Don't ask, don't tell if you got to.
 

kc4yrr

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Pizza Hut Employee fired

A 10 year plus Pizza Hut Employee and long time CCW permit holder was recently fired for defending himself...

Pizza Hut deliveryman James Spiers thought he was making a routine delivery, but he was walking into an ambush. As Spiers approached, an armed man sprang at him with a gun, but Spiers, a concealed-carry permit holder, was no easy target. Police say Spiers struggled hard with the assailant until he was able to produce his handgun. "It was a long ordeal... my life was, without a doubt, in danger," Spiers recalls. Spiers shot the suspect three times. The suspect fled and was arrested at the hospital. Pizza Hut summarily fired Spiers, a 10-year employee, citing a corporate policy forbidding employees from carrying firearms. To voice your displeasure, call Pizza Hut Corporate Offices at 800-948-8488 or visit Link Removed
Source: The Armed Citizen, July 2008 Issue, The American Hunter Magazine, NRA Offical Journal of the National Rifle Association
and (The Des Moines Register, Des Moines, IA, 04/03/2008)

AND BOYCOTT PIZZA HUT UNTIL THEY RESOLVE THIS, AS I AM.

I do not buy the argument that pizza hut had a right to fire there employee. He was in HIS OWN CAR. He was not in a company car. He has an absolute right to have his gun in HIS OWN CAR. If it was a company car it would be a different story. Getting fired from pizza hut is no big deal. Pizza delivery jobs are a dime a dozen in South Fl.Iam shure he was delivering pizza the next day with another pizza place. They cut off there noses to spite there faces when they do that. Buy the way pizzza hut pizza is of poor quality in comparison to most mom and pop Pizza parlors.
 

Bohemian

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In my view, the second amendment does not stop when you take a job with somebody who infringes upon the second amendment but has yet to be brought to court over it...

It only takes one or two individuals like Shelly Parker and or Dick Heller to bring the issue to a head, and give them liberals the beat down they deserve...

Further, I feel everybody has the absolute, inalienable, fundamental right to defend themselves anywhere, anyplace by any means necessary using equal or greater force then may be brought against them...

you don't bring a knife or a stick to a gun fight and you can't expect to hold off a gang of well armed criminals with a semi-auto, such as the case with Katrina victims...

And the founding fathers were adamant that the best deterrent from tyranny of our OWN government was that each and every citizen be well armed and well trained...

Can't defend yourself from your own government if you are not armed at least as well as they are...

The founding fathers intended that we never become subjects again...
Without the second amendment, that is not possible...

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