CCW for Service Members

[Young Gun Owner]

I had a few questions regarding the age at which i could open carry a handgun, i am 19 years old, I've gotten mixed answers to this question, I've heard from several sources that since i could not purchase a handgun or ammunition i could not legally open carry. However other sources tell me that since the constitution gives me the right and i am legally an adult (above the age of 18) I can openly carry just not have the ability to buy the firearm or ammunition myself, could you clear this up for me? Also i had a question about the age i could acquire a CCW, like i said before i am 19 years old, however i am a member of the USAF and i have read in some places that Missouri will issue service members the CCW if they are above the age of 18 any information you could give me on these two questions would be greatly appreciated!

 

[CaptnBud]

All of these questions can be answered by the state that you are a Legal Resident of and the state in which you reside.

 

[Riverkilt]

Everything is legal at 18 now except for buying alcohol (because the human liver doesn't mature until age 21 and boozing under 21 will fry your baby liver and make you an alcoholic) and renting a car (because lawyers run the world and young men don't have a good long term record with rental cars).

 

[ezkl2230]

In Michigan the minimum age to obtain a CPL (CCW) is 21. We are working on passing legislation that recognizes the training received by active duty military personnel as meeting CPL requirements - regardless of age. This is from an email I recently received from Sen. Mike Green:

"The latest version of SB 59 specifically recognizes the training that active duty military personnel receive as meeting the requirements for a CPL or a "shall issue" exemption to the [pistol free] zones. It also adds in special protections to ensure that their licenses do not expire while deployed with the armed forces. There are other changes in the bill specific and beneficial to military personnel."

Actually, we are working on passing Constitutional Carry in Michigan, and objections to a proposal on the November ballot may finally make this possible.

There is a group that is pushing to amend the state constitution to make collective bargaining for public employees a protected right in Michigan (and pre-empt RTW legislation). The State AG has said on the record that passage of Proposal 2 would either partially or completely invalidate 170 state laws governing collective bargaining for public employees, because the right would be constitutionally-based - which overrides legislative limitations.

The right to bear arms is a constitutionally-based right in Michigan. Article 1 Section 6 of the Michigan State Constitution states,

"Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state"

This is an unqualified, unrestricted right. Using the State AG's publicly stated position, then, ALL of the gun control laws that have ever been passed in Michigan are unconstitutional; legislation cannot infringe a constitutional right.

Trust me, we are jumping on THAT ONE with BOTH FEET!!!

 

[Firefighterchen]

Everything is legal at 18 now except for buying alcohol (because the human liver doesn't mature until age 21 and boozing under 21 will fry your baby liver and make you an alcoholic) and renting a car (because lawyers run the world and young men don't have a good long term record with rental cars).

Not sure where you are getting your medical knowledge, but frying your liver does not make you an alcoholic...

@OP:

The posts you should take seriously are the ones that provide links to your state laws. It's imperative you keep trying to understand the laws. Good luck, and carry on. And good for you for open carrying!

 

[Riverkilt]

Getting my knowledge from being an alcoholic from many generations of alcoholics who became a state licensed substance abuse counselor and have done that work for the past 20 years in residential, outpatient, prison, detox, and crisis settings. Somewhere I was taught that medical knowledge and for sure have repeatedly witnessed the effect of long term underage binge drinking. The liver is the next to last organ to mature (at 21) and the frontal lobes of the brain are the last...

That's the answer to your question about where I got my medical knowledge (oh, I assisted at autopsies for years too...seen lots of fried livers during autopsies)...I'm guessing you have a different education/opinion.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Getting my knowledge from being an alcoholic from many generations of alcoholics who became a state licensed substance abuse counselor and have done that work for the past 20 years in residential, outpatient, prison, detox, and crisis settings. Somewhere I was taught that medical knowledge and for sure have repeatedly witnessed the effect of long term underage binge drinking. The liver is the next to last organ to mature (at 21) and the frontal lobes of the brain are the last...

That's the answer to your question about where I got my medical knowledge (oh, I assisted at autopsies for years too...seen lots of fried livers during autopsies)...I'm guessing you have a different education/opinion.

You completely missed the point. Killing your liver does not make you an alcoholic. Killing your lungs by smoking does not make you addicted to smoking. The addiction and misuse is what causes the tissue death, not the other way around.

It would be like saying bleeding from a bullet hole made you get shot.

Should I go on?

 

[Riverkilt]

I'm puzzling over this...the semantics...I remain most puzzled, baffled, and unable to comprehend at your level of wisdom...

In my world, repeated use due to addiction, causes the organ damage....which is what I think you also said...

but I just can't figure the flip-flop you're talking about.

I am olde and addled....drank a LOT myself...maybe that's why I'm still confused.

 

[RED14]

Young Gun Owner, the straight answer to your question is: Check the firearms laws in your state of residence. The sheriff's department, local police, or state police can direct you to the proper online resources and advise you if you have questions. Ususally the online resource will direct you to the appropriate agency to answer questions.

 

[ruspert]

CCW in the military

At the age of 17, a CCW permit signed by Major General White was issued, along with a colt 45 pistol and ammunition that were kept in my possesion 24/7. I was a member of the Army and at the time a Courier serving with the Military Government located in Japan during the occupation. I had trained with the pistol as part of tanker training received at Ft Knox, Ky.

 

[Young Gun Owner]

To everyone following my post, i appreciate the help here is what I've found upon further research. Below is a direct quote from Missouri Revised Statutes Chapter 571 Section 571.101. I will also provide the link to the statute below. I have bolded the part about service members.

"2. A certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to subsection 7 of this section shall be issued by the sheriff or his or her designee of the county or city in which the applicant resides, if the applicant:

(1) Is at least twenty-one years of age, is a citizen of the United States and either:

(a) Has assumed residency in this state; or

(b) Is a member of the Armed Forces stationed in Missouri, or the spouse of such member of the military;

(2) Is at least twenty-one years of age, or is at least eighteen years of age and a member of the United States Armed Forces or honorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces, and is a citizen of the United States and either:

(a) Has assumed residency in this state;

(b) Is a member of the Armed Forces stationed in Missouri; or

(c) The spouse of such member of the military stationed in Missouri and twenty-one years of age;"

Here is the link if anybody wants to read through the statutes and interrupt them yourself.

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Again thanks everyone for your input! Its Greatly Appreciated!