CCW For Military Members on Base

[Glockout]

I was wondering why us military members were not allowed to carry concealed, or even keep our own weapons in our dorms while on base. I mean every day when I would go to work, I had to go to the armorey, pick up my M-16, and my M-9, safety check it and load it in front of the armorer. Now if I am trusted to defend the base, why can I not carry my own weapon off duty, much less keep my own weapon in my place of residence? It's like the government trusts non military members more than they do the ones who protect the civilians. Any input?

 

[mmckee1952]

I think if you’ll look into it, no one is allowed to CCW on any military base that goes for civilians, retired military or people who work on the base.

 

[Glockout]

I think if you’ll look into it, no one is allowed to CCW on any military base that goes for civilians, retired military or people who work on the base.

You're right. That is what I am saying. We, as civilians now can CC in the world. But we as troops guarding the country and our base could not CC. I find it a bit odd.

 

[maybejim]

I see no reason for CC on base. I see no reason to forbid OC on base. It is absurd that our military is unarmed when not on duty.

 

[Glockout]

I see no reason for CC on base. I see no reason to forbid OC on base. It is absurd that our military is unarmed when not on duty.

If I want to go to the px, or eat at the chow hall, I would like to be able to CC. I have to OC all day at work. It would be nice for people to see me without a gun all the time.

 

[maybejim]

If you are in the military, you open carry. The key is that you are armed. I see no need for CC on base. I see a lot of need to be armed. It should make little difference either way but the insanity of not trusting our troops to be armed is exactly that, insanity!

 

[Glockout]

If you are in the military, you open carry. The key is that you are armed. I see no need for CC on base. I see a lot of need to be armed. It should make little difference either way but the insanity of not trusting our troops to be armed is exactly that, insanity!

Most military members don't open carry. The only time they do is when they are on exercises or some part of their duty which has the use of a weapon. I was an MP, and I still had to turn in my weapon after my 8 hour shift. As do infantry, and anyone else who carries a weapon while at work.

 

[maybejim]

Most military members don't open carry. The only time they do is when they are on exercises or some part of their duty which has the use of a weapon I was an MP, and I still had to turn in my weapon after my 8 hour shift. As do infantry, and anyone else who carries a weapon while at work.

Military members typically open carry when on duty and almost never CC on duty. The only reason for CC is to calm the sheep or to hide evil ideas or to hide from the BG. If most everyone is OCing there is no need to hide from the BG or to hide evil ideas and there is no need on base to calm the sheep. I say again the insanity of refusing to trust our military to be armed on base is insanity as proven in Texas.

 

[Rhino]

What bugs me isn't so much not being able to carry on base, but I also have to be unarmed for the 45 minute trip there, and the 45 minute trip back home.

 

[Treo]

I was wondering why us military members were not allowed to carry concealed, or even keep our own weapons in our dorms while on base. I mean every day when I would go to work, I had to go to the armorey, pick up my M-16, and my M-9, safety check it and load it in front of the armorer. Now if I am trusted to defend the base, why can I not carry my own weapon off duty, much less keep my own weapon in my place of residence? It's like the government trusts non military members more than they do the ones who protect the civilians. Any input?

I can tell just by reading this that the TrollP has never spent one day in the military

 

[Glockout]

I can tell just by reading this that the TrollP has never spent one day in the military

6th MP's out at Fort Rucker. Mainly conducted security for the 1st and 110th Aviation Brigade. Training for pilots after basic. We were glorified rivet counters on Hueys! Someone is a bit paranoid I do believe!

 

[mmckee1952]

I’m a Retired Navy Veteran and I don’t see any problem to CC on base, I really bet the soldiers at Fort Hood would have liked to CC when the Major opened up on them.

 

[Glockout]

I’m a Retired Navy Veteran and I don’t see any problem to CC on base, I really bet the soldiers at Fort Hood would have liked to CC when the Major opened up on them.

:yes4:................

 

[the dark]

I was wondering why us military members were not allowed to carry concealed, or even keep our own weapons in our dorms while on base. I mean every day when I would go to work, I had to go to the armorey, pick up my M-16, and my M-9, safety check it and load it in front of the armorer. Now if I am trusted to defend the base, why can I not carry my own weapon off duty, much less keep my own weapon in my place of residence? It's like the government trusts non military members more than they do the ones who protect the civilians. Any input?

Wow...been out a long time...do they call them "dorms" now?

 

[Glockout]

Wow...been out a long time...do they call them "dorms" now?

Quarters, dorms, we called it "the jailhouse". Or barracks. We didn't like that term. Too military like. We wanted as few reminders that we were in the military as possible!! JK. I hated it while in, but looking back now, I met some of the best people I met in my life and had some great times. By no means could I have been a lifer though!! Four and out the door.

 

[RugerSR40]

Hey All,

I think I might be able to provide some insight into this particular inquiry. I sold firearms in the PX at Fort Drum and this question actually came up a few times. Here was my experience.

A client one day approached the counter asking if he could look at the pistols. He had an unrestricted NY CCL and was active-duty if I remember right. We began discussing guns and he compared the gun we were looking at to one that he owned. When we asked him more about his pistol, he actually pulled aside his vest and showed us that he was carrying with an OWB holster. It was quite the "holy s***" moment for us because this guy was already on a federal installation and he was in the PX to boot. We thought that it was illegal but we had never in fact thought to ask any one because it just seemed like it would be illegal. However, the customer informed us that he had contacted the police on base (we have mps and civilian cops) and they told him that there Ft. Drum had the same ccw laws as the rest of the state. We were absolutely dumbfounded. We thought that it couldn't be true. So we called them and asked them. After telling the gentlemen on the phone that I worked at the firearms counter at the PX, I told him that I had a customer that was curious about the concealed carry laws on Ft. Drum. He seemed quite suspicious and replied (probably rightfully so) " Are you telling me you're trying to carry concealed on base!?" I once again told him that it was a question from a customer at the px firearms counter and he told me, "The ccl laws on ft. drum are the same as the rest of the state, but I wouldn't recommend it." So there are technically no laws against it. Nonetheless, it isn't something I would try to do. Also, different bases may have different protocols regarding this issue. Furthermore, I doubt one would be permitted to conceal carry his/her own side arms while on-duty. In addition, there are certain rules that everyone has to follow on Ft. Drum.

1) Any firearm brought onto base (one day I was even told that this included paintball markers) must be registered with the MP's office.
2) Any individual living in the barracks has to keep there firearms locked in the arms room when not in use (some people get around this by leaving there guns at there friends' houses)


My opinion...it isn't worth the hassle. The fact that you already have to register your gun with NY bugs me, but then you have to subject yourself to more scrutiny by registering on base. Not to mention you probably have to get searched every time you come through the gates. Keep in mind, this was about 2.5 years ago and things could have changed. Everyone should check with there respective bases because I'm sure things differ from base to base. Don't ever cc without knowing if your legally allowed to or not.

 

[RugerSR40]

Also, I might add that you are permitted to carry concealed in the training areas of fort drum as long as you:

1)have an unrestricted CCL
2)have an permit and access pass to be in the training area (available at the office by wheeler sack)
3)the training area is open for recreation during that time
4)you register the gun with the MPs office

 

[Treo]

When I was in the national Guard several of our soldiers had a COI because they were Colorado sworn peace officers in real life and as such were required by department regs to carry a firearm at all times, they were also considered to be on duty at all times. The problem was the Post Commander at Ft. Carson had specifically forbidden the carry of firearms on post.
Since the order exempted police officers on duty most of them carried anyway.

 

[Teufel]

I hear what you're saying, but spend a Friday or Saturday night near a barracks and see how some of our finest act once the beer starts flowing. I agree with how things are even though it does turn into a pain in the ass some times.

 

[JimPage]

I am retired military. Seems to me the incidents like that with Maj. Hassan might have turned out differently if the troops were armed.