CC permits and OTH discharges

[dcselby1]

For information:
There are five basic types of military discharges: honorable, general (under honorable conditions), other than honorable, bad conduct and dishonorable. Each of these denotes the quality of service and discharge conditions under which the service member completed his contract.

An honorable discharge is given to service members who performed above and beyond the call of duty and who were on excellent terms upon discharge. General (under honorable conditions) means the service member successfully completed his contract, but there were circumstances that were less than honorable either during his service or upon discharge. An example of this is a service member who is discharged prematurely due to a medical condition or other unavoidable situation. Other than honorable, bad conduct and dishonorable are all discharges which mean the service member didn't satisfactorily complete his service term. Going absent without leave or being found guilty in front of a court martial warrant these types of discharges. Bad conduct and dishonorable discharges are only given out on the order of a court martial or other equivalent proceeding.



Read more: About U.S. Military Discharge | eHow.com About U.S. Military Discharge | eHow.com

 

[Military Man]

"General (under honorable conditions) means the service member successfully completed his contract, but there were circumstances that were less than honorable either during his service or upon discharge. An example of this is a service member who is discharged prematurely due to a medical condition or other unavoidable situation "


I am retired from The US Army, retired because of a medical. My discharge is HONORABLE.i Also served in vietnam as a US Marine.
Am going to have to disagree with his statement above for GENERAL DISCHARGE due to a medical. If a person is discharged due to medical conditions the discharge will usualy be HONORABLE. Most if not all of the MIlitary being discharged because of war injuries are recieving HONORABLE DISCHARGES, and probably MEDICAL RETIREMENT. A General discharge is probably for not doing your job or something along that line.

 

[Anthony_I_Am]

"So if you drink or have been diagnosed with PTSD, your Screwed."


Whoa. This isn't the case. I have been diagnosed with PTSD since 2004 and if this was the rule of law, I would certainly not have a CHP. If you have PTSD and HAVE BEEN COMMITTED so some institution, you might be qualified. A simple diagnosis alone isn't prohibitive, or if your visit to the nut house was a voluntary admission is considered "adjudicated".

 

[fickenmeimirish]

What about Illinois? Oh wait it doesn't matter.. I can serve my country, honorably but can't carry.. legally..

 

[LkWd_Don]

are you actually required to say that you served in the armed forces?

I seem to remember the Washington State application asked "have you ever served in the Armed Forces"
Don't recall if they asked about OTH but I think there was a question pertaining to was it honorable yes or no..

 

[BC1]

Anyone out there familiar with OTH discharges and CC permits? I am looking into what states, that are otherwise "shall issue" states, would have a problem with an OTH discharge. I am hoping someone or somewhere has a consolidated list of states that have a restriction against issuing CC permit to a citizen with a OTH in their history. I am hoping to avoid doing the tedious research on each State's laws books, times 50 states.

States I have already researched
LA = will not issue for BCD, DD, or OTH
FL = will not issue for BCD, DD; will issue for OTH
MS = does not mention and military discharge; but references "Is not disqualified to possess or own a weapon based on federal law", which covers BCD and DD
TX = will only issue if "(2) was discharged under honorable conditions, if discharged from the United States armed force"

A "shall-issue" state that refuses to give a permit to someone with an other than honorable discharge is not a "shall issue" state, it's a discretionary issue state. Been telling you guys for a long time it's a ruse. They all have the right to say no for one reason or another.

 

[dcselby1]

Anyone out there familiar with OTH discharges and CC permits? I am looking into what states, that are otherwise "shall issue" states, would have a problem with an OTH discharge. I am hoping someone or somewhere has a consolidated list of states that have a restriction against issuing CC permit to a citizen with a OTH in their history. I am hoping to avoid doing the tedious research on each State's laws books, times 50 states.

States I have already researched
LA = will not issue for BCD, DD, or OTH
FL = will not issue for BCD, DD; will issue for OTH
MS = does not mention and military discharge; but references "Is not disqualified to possess or own a weapon based on federal law", which covers BCD and DD
TX = will only issue if "(2) was discharged under honorable conditions, if discharged from the United States armed force"

Michigan's requirement is the same as the feds on this question: Applicant can "Not be discharged from the United States Armed Forces under dishonorable
conditions."

 

[AMS3(AW)]

NC will not issue a ccw for anything other than a honorable discharge...

Hi TooCalm, my understanding about NC is that they won't issue to anyone discharged with "other than honorable conditions", which technically exempts people with HONORABLE & GENERAL (UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS) discharges. Question #12 on the current NC application for concealed carry states: 12. Have you been discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces under conditions other than honorable? So unless I'm reading it wrong, someone with a General Discharge would not be disqualified.

 

[Treo]

Hi TooCalm, my understanding about NC is that they won't issue to anyone discharged with "other than honorable conditions", which technically exempts people with HONORABLE & GENERAL (UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS) discharges. Question #12 on the current NC application for concealed carry states: 12. Have you been discharged from the U.S. Armed Forces under conditions other than honorable? So unless I'm reading it wrong, someone with a General Discharge would not be disqualified.

You do realize the person you are responding too posted his question 3 years ago right?

 

[Stengun]

Howdy,

Since getting your OTH discharge have you gotten your ducks in a row? If so contact your Senator and have your OTH upgrade to a General under Honorable Conditions.

By doing this you will be eligible for a CCW permit and VA benefits. VA benefits are not available to Vets with an OTH discharge.

Paul

 

[onewhoslived]

In Montgomery County, Alabama, the application for a CCW license does not ask about military service. The application will be checked by the MCSO and MPD. Unless something comes up in the applicant':biggrin:s background, there shouldn't be any problems. As far as I know, there is no mention of character of military discharges in our laws. "Theicemanmpls" gave a fine thumbnail sketch of ther rules of enlisted separations from the services. Some people seem to think that the character of one's discharge is a small matter. WRONG! I spent over 23 years in the service and never saw any type of separation, other than honorable, given out lightly. Generally, one had to screw up pretty bad to receive anything other than an honorable rating. I can't feel sorry for anyone who received an OTH discharge. They should do some soul searching and own up to their indescretions. That said, however, I don't think that should preclude a CCW in all cases.

You're an idiot who thinks way too much of himself. What were you for 23 years? An office *****?

 

[Stengun]

Howdy,

You're an idiot who thinks way too much of himself. What were you for 23 years? An office *****?

No need to be so harsh but I do agree with your POV.

When my group was stateside I worked for an ACU ( Absentee Collection Unit ) and I saw a lot of young men a women that did NOT belong in the military. They should have been sent home with a General under Honorable conditions discharge.

This would have saved the military a lot of time, money and resources.

Paul

 

[BC1]

You're an idiot who thinks way too much of himself. What were you for 23 years? An office *****?

You guys know that several posters here are the same person right? And he's playing both sides of the argument. Twisted little people, eh?

 

[Oldgrunt]

You're an idiot who thinks way too much of himself. What were you for 23 years? An office *****?

Damn old son, I nearly missed your response to my comment. I do apologize for writing seemingly above your head but that is the way it goes. I am sorry that you are unable to understand the comment I made but everything I said is covered by our law. No, I don't think too much of myself. On the contrary, I am well satisfied at what I grew up to be and can look back with great satisfaction on my life. From your comment, it would seem that you are having a problem or an inferiority complex. Did you receive an OTH discharge or have you made comments in an area in which you have no knowledge? For this having been your first post, you are not off to a very good start. I hope you are not on here to just be a troll and interject nonsense rather than knowledgeable comments. By the way, my time was spent in the combat arms, not offices.

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