Carrying in Banks and Churches.

[NavyLCDR]

Seems strange that a state law can make it NOT legal to carry on private property i.e., church. I would think that as long as the pastor was OK with it that would be good enough.
How is law enforcement going to enforce it if that are not invited onto private property?

In regards to the TEXAS statute:

Most hospitals are private property as well and so are amusement parks. The politicians are playing games and placating voters on both sides of the argument at the same time. They say to the anti-gun crowd, "See! We listened to you! We passed a law prohibiting guns in churches, amusement parks and hospitals!" When the private property owners rightfully complain about it, the same politicians say to them, "Wait a minute.... read our law. If you want guns on your property, that's OK, too. Just don't post the required sign and the prohibition will not apply to your property!"

A church can allow guns on their property if they want to, they just need to not post the required sign. What the statute does is provide the private property owner who has the sign properly posted the ability to call and have the police deal with a person carrying a gun on their property directly, for the act of carrying the gun only. In a state such as Washington, the private property owner would first have to attempt to deal with the person carrying the gun themselves, to give them notice to leave the property....then, only if the person did not leave could they call police to deal with the person for trespassing. However, the statute is definitely slanted towards the anti-gun crowd, leading many to believe, such as FFLMike, that guns are prohibited in those locations, period....they just fail to read the entire statute.

 

[RockyTopDC]

I live in Kansas.

 

[eagleeyes]

imo folks carrying alot of cash lets say a landlord taking rent money to the bank should be able to carry a gun
never know if someone is following your routine looking for an opportune time to try and rob you on the way to the bank or a restaurant manager having to make a large bank deposit i managed a burger king years ago and had to take the money to a drop box a block away i used to just walk to it with the money as the way the roads were designed i would have had to go out of the way just to make a u turn to get there and it was quicker to just walk it thankfully no one caught on to knowing i would make that kind of a drop around a certain time each night
does the no carry law include using an atm to withdraw money? not that i ever use it but i'd like to know the answer just in case i may have to use one some day

 

[MnBill]

Your Ruger LCP is a very small pistol and is definately a pocket gun. I don't see how anyone could ever figure you are carrying a gun.
In Minnesota, when there is a sign saying the business does not allow guns, all they can do if they catch you with a gun is tell you to leave. At that point you must or you are then subject to arrest. If you agree to leave they can take no action against you. I do not let such signs deter me from carrying. I figure that a crazy person will look for just such a place to shoot up because nobody inside will have a gun to shoot back.
As for carrying in church, I do. Why not? Crazy people can enter a church during services to shoot the place up and someone should be there to offer a defense. Nobody knows I'm carrying and I'm not telling.

 

[MnBill]

Why do my posts dissappear?

 

[Couzin]

Why do my posts dissappear?

You musta been baad!!

 

[James Fix]

Our church here in SC not only allows cwp's to carry in church we actually sponser CWP classes in our church. for all those so called churches who say that it is against their beliefs to have a gun in their church don't believe there Bibles because Jesus told his followers to arm themselves

 

[lesjr883]

In Mississippi we have an enhanced endorsement allowing for carry in most places restricted with the standard license. With the enhanced the only places off limits are police stations, jails, and places of nuisance like a bar. You can legally carry any place else but you are still required to comply with the person(s) in control of the property if they ask you to leave or not carry there. So if you are in a church you are not breaking the law by carrying but if one of the leaders of the church knows you are and asks you to leave or not carry and you don't comply you can be charged with trespassing.

Surprisingly the endorsement is fairly easy to get. I just went today for mine. I had to take a NRA course on basic handgun safety and use. We had a class room portion and had to shoot 3 targets with 12 shots at approximately 5', 10', and 15'. Of the 8 people in the class no one failed to qualify their first try.

A place of nuisance in Mississippi does not include a bar. Please see SEC. 95-3-1. Definitions of terms "person" "place" and "nuisance".

Nuisance" shall mean any place as above defined in or upon which lewdness, assignation or prostitution is conducted, permitted, continued or exists or any other place as above defined in or upon which a controlled substance as defined in section 41-29-105, Mississippi Code of 1972, is unlawfully used, possessed, sold or delivered and the personal property and contents used in conducting or maintaining any such place for any such purpose. One single act of unlawful cohabitation, lewdness or possession, use, sale or delivery of a controlled substance about such property shall not come within the terms hereof.

Please correct me if I am wrong about this.

 

[BC1]

The Texas CHL law prohibits carry in schools, churches, hospitals and government buildings, regardless of signage. Check your local laws

No laws against this in NYS. So much for "shall issue."

 

[stantheman1976]

A place of nuisance in Mississippi does not include a bar. Please see SEC. 95-3-1. Definitions of terms "person" "place" and "nuisance".

Nuisance" shall mean any place as above defined in or upon which lewdness, assignation or prostitution is conducted, permitted, continued or exists or any other place as above defined in or upon which a controlled substance as defined in section 41-29-105, Mississippi Code of 1972, is unlawfully used, possessed, sold or delivered and the personal property and contents used in conducting or maintaining any such place for any such purpose. One single act of unlawful cohabitation, lewdness or possession, use, sale or delivery of a controlled substance about such property shall not come within the terms hereof.

Please correct me if I am wrong about this.

"(2) ……. A person licensed under Section 45-9-101 to carry a concealed pistol, who has voluntarily
completed an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified
by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or by any other
organization approved by the Department of Public Safety, shall also be authorized to carry weapons in
courthouses except in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding, and any location listed in subsection (13) of
Section 45-9-101, except any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, any police, sheriff or highway
patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail."

Looks like I mistakenly had bar and "place of nuisance" mixed up. Place of nuisance looks to be exactly what one would think, a place where something illegal is happening right? So I suppose in that case you are breaking the law with or without a license.

So if I'm reading the laws correctly with and enhanced permit you CAN carry in a bar? If I'm reading correctly with enhanced you can legally carry anywhere except jails, police stations, and courts in session?

 

[NavyLCDR]

No laws against this in NYS. So much for "shall issue."

Yes, BC1, you have told us many times how wonderful NYS gun laws are. NY State is an absolute haven for gun owners. We all are jealous and can only wish we had the freedom that NY residents have regarding carrying firearms.

 

[BC1]

Yes, BC1, you have told us many times how wonderful NYS gun laws are. NY State is an absolute haven for gun owners. We all are jealous and can only wish we had the freedom that NY residents have regarding carrying firearms.

C'mon Navy, can't argue with going to church, stopping by the hospital to see a friend, making a deposit at the bank and then heading off for a beer withour breaking any law. How many states can claim that? I just keep trying to dispell the myth about NYS. We really do move about unmolested. The issues here are reciprocity and that damn hell-hole NYC. I want everyone to be able to enter this state without fear but I just don't think the liberal NYC faction will let it happen unless forceed to. And we sure don't have enough cotes upstate ot overpower that foreign country NYC.

 

[NavyLCDR]

C'mon Navy, can't argue with going to church, stopping by the hospital to see a friend, making a deposit at the bank and then heading off for a beer withour breaking any law. How many states can claim that?

Well, BC1, there are many states like Washington. The minute I step foot in Washington State I can bring all my guns with me, no permission from the state required to do so. I can possess them in my home, transport them anywhere I want to in my vehicle, as long as they are unloaded. AND, from the minute I step foot in Washington state, I can carry a loaded firearm on my person in all of the places and doing everything you have posted, with no permit or permission required from the state. Can you do that in New York? As soon as I become a resident of Washington state, I can buy handguns here with no permission required from the state. I am not required by the state to hide the gun I am carrying from view like something evil.

If I desire to hide my gun like some evil object, I pay the local LEO $52.50 and they have 30 days to prove that I am prohibited by law from possessing firearms. No proof - then I automatically get permission to hide my gun, required within 30 days, and no judge even gets to weigh in on that decision. And if you want to visit my fine state of Washington, BC1, you are more than welcome to bring your handguns and/or rifles with you and carry them on your person, loaded (outside your vehicle), in all the places you specified above - no permit and no residency required. So, considering all the things I can do here in Washington with no state permission required to do so....it's going to be very hard to sell me on the "freedoms" of New York state regarding firearms possession and carrying.

 

[nogods]

The neat thing about Texas is that I have lifetime privileges to carry concealed in Texas simply because I have a concealed carry permit in New York. Too bad Texas residents don't have the same lifetime privilege. They should complain. To their governor. Or move to NY and get a concealed carry permit that doesn't have to be renewed more often than their driver's license.
Yee Haw!

 

[anvil6]

No laws against this in NYS. So much for "shall issue."

NYS? Honors which other states' permits? So much for reciprocity.

 

[anvil6]

The neat thing about Texas is that I have lifetime privileges to carry concealed in Texas simply because I have a concealed carry permit in New York. Too bad Texas residents don't have the same lifetime privilege. They should complain. To their governor. Or move to NY and get a concealed carry permit that doesn't have to be renewed more often than their driver's license.
Yee Haw!

Yes, Texas residents should complain. And fix the injustice of honoring permits from a state that honors NO other states permits.

 

[BC1]

NYS? Honors which other states' permits? So much for reciprocity.

That's a NYC thing. We have no vote upstate. NYC has more illegals and criminals than most states have total residents, thus the 8 million rsidents there are controlling the state vote on guns. The ONLY prpblem is reciprocity. I believe y'all should be free to come and go as you please. When I have out-of-state students I must supply documentation for them to keep them from trouble.

My original comment is that there is really no "shall-issue" state. Every state that issues permits has some loophole to prevent certain people from getting a permit. Many "shall-issue" and then restrict when and where so severely that it makes no sense. In fact, according to the U.S. Supreme court and numerous lower courts, the second amendment does not provide the right to carry a gun at all. that's how all these states get away with their restrictive policies.

Considering there are 1.3 million permits outside of NYC and only a handful in the city, if that city dropped into the ocean reciprocity would become law in no time at all.

 

[S&W645]

That's a NYC thing. We have no vote upstate. NYC has more illegals and criminals than most states have total residents, thus the 8 million rsidents there are controlling the state vote on guns. The ONLY prpblem is reciprocity. I believe y'all should be free to come and go as you please. When I have out-of-state students I must supply documentation for them to keep them from trouble.

My original comment is that there is really no "shall-issue" state. Every state that issues permits has some loophole to prevent certain people from getting a permit. Many "shall-issue" and then restrict when and where so severely that it makes no sense. In fact, according to the U.S. Supreme court and numerous lower courts, the second amendment does not provide the right to carry a gun at all. that's how all these states get away with their restrictive policies.

Considering there are 1.3 million permits outside of NYC and only a handful in the city, if that city dropped into the ocean reciprocity would become law in no time at all.

So cut the island loose and maybe it would sink like some Dems thought Guam would do with a huge increase of Marines stationed there. :biggrin:

 

[warhawk77]

My church does not have any signs on carrying. And if it did I might think about finding a new church.

And from what I have read it takes more then a "no gun" sign on the door you have to fill out the paper work and get it all filled with government to be able to keep them out.

 

[rokurota]

No Virginians here, so I'll offer up that our AG is VERY pro-gun and handed us all a gift last year. Virginia code prohibits carrying in church *during worship services* (no mention of other times) without “good and sufficient reason.” Well, Ken Cuccinelli (VA's AG) said that personal protection is good and sufficient enough -- basically, he won't prosecute carrying in church. To that I say "amen!"

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