Carrying in a Movie Theater (in michigan)

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jim.kubinski

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Alright-so in Michigan one of the Pistol Free Zones is an "entertainment facility that is known to seat at least 2500 or more individuals, or that the licensee SHOULD KNOW seats 2500 or more people". From what I've heard, most people consider movie theater's to fall into this realm. However, I have a nearby theater that I was just at a few days ago. There was no sign state the capacity of the facility, but at each theater there was. I was in one of the bigger ones and it only seated 127 people. This theater has 16 theaters, and most only seat I believe 67. They have nice leather recliners. So I should be alright to carry in there then-right?

Also, second question-what are the legal ramifications for carrying into a place that posts a sign stating 'no weapons'? God forbid something did happen, what kind of legal consequences could there be? Is this something that the Castle Doctrine addresses?

Thanks!
 
What? And people pick on NY? There's no such crazy laws here. The only place one can't carry is a school or public library (defined as a school under state education law).
 
In Michigan, the seating capacity is that of the entire facility not just the individual theater. If a complex has 15 theaters with each theater having a capacity of 200 people, then the total seating capacity for the purpose of the gun restriction would be 3000 people.

If a building isn't listed in the Michigan statute as a place where you are forbidden to carry, then any posted signs are only notifying you that the management of that building doesn't want you carrying in their facility. If you're "caught" in such a place and a representative of the facility asks you to leave or to remove your gun from the premises, you need to comply or be guilty of criminal trespass. If you leave as requested then there is no violation.

Since IANAL* , you should look up the Michigan Firearm Laws (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf) for yourself.

www.mcrgo.org has a lot of good info concerning concealed carry in Michigan. Also, Link Removed is a great resource for checking on the various carry lwas within the U.S.

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jim.kubinski said:
Alright-so in Michigan one of the Pistol Free Zones is an "entertainment facility that is known to seat at least 2500 or more individuals, or that the licensee SHOULD KNOW seats 2500 or more people". From what I've heard, most people consider movie theater's to fall into this realm. However, I have a nearby theater that I was just at a few days ago. There was no sign state the capacity of the facility, but at each theater there was. I was in one of the bigger ones and it only seated 127 people. This theater has 16 theaters, and most only seat I believe 67. They have nice leather recliners. So I should be alright to carry in there then-right?

Also, second question-what are the legal ramifications for carrying into a place that posts a sign stating 'no weapons'? God forbid something did happen, what kind of legal consequences could there be? Is this something that the Castle Doctrine addresses?

Thanks!
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Jim, you have a carry permit right? you know how to safely handle a gun right, and you conceal carry, and it is well concealed? unless you have loose lips, there should be no problem.....and last but certainly not least, what if god forbid something did happen and just for the sake of argument it was against the rules to carry a weapon and you left your's in the car, and a BG come in and starts shooting, at that moment what would rather do whip out your cell phone and try to call 911 while dodgeing bullits or shoot back???........I preach this over and over, if you have a permit to legaly carry in your state, and there is a choice to open or conceal, and some business or shop, or restaurant has a sign on the door saying no guns, 99% on the time the sign has no weight of law, all the owner can do is ask you to leave, at this point you should leave, however if you conceal and conceal well and keep quiet concerning your gun then there should be no issue
 
BC1 said:
What? And people pick on NY? There's no such crazy laws here. The only place one can't carry is a school or public library (defined as a school under state education law).
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At least Michigan is a "shall issue" state that allows open-carry. You can respectfully have your NY.
 
topgun47 said:
At least Michigan is a "shall issue" state that allows open-carry. You can respectfully have your NY.
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A shall-issue state where you can't carry your gun in... how many places? NY may not arbitrarily deny anyone a permit, thus the reason there's over 1 million CCW permits in the upstate population of 9 million people. The numbers apparently don't agree with your take on shall-issue. I never understood this. People believe their in a constitutional carry state and then we find the list of places they can't carry their gun are precisely where they need it. 1 million of us in upstate NY don't have that problem. Never have. 1 in 9 people is a lot of CCW permits.
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Respectfully, you can keep your OC. I have zero interest in OC'ing a gun.
 
longslide10 said:
So how would they know that one is carrying concealed? Do they have TSA pat downs or metal detectors?
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They can ask you to leave if they see your gun, and if you don't leave, it's possible you'll be charged with trespassing, in the unlikely event the cops would show up. Trespassing is near the bottom of their priority list, so response time can be measured with a calendar. Still not planning to visit NY any time soon, even though it's getting a recommendation here. :)
 
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They can ask you to leave if they see your gun, and if you don't leave, it's possible you'll be charged with trespassing, in the unlikely event the cops would show up. Trespassing is near the bottom of their priority list, so response time can be measured with a calendar. Still not planning to visit NY any time soon, even though it's getting a recommendation here. :)
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That's why it's called concealed carry, no one knows you have one. If one is careless enough to carry where it can easily be seen (such as a light colored thin shirt draped over it) then it defeats the purpose and yes I agree if they notice and asked one to leave they better do so. "Man with a gun" will draw cops faster than free donuts no matter if it is just trespassing. Just so you know I have nothing to do with NY, I live in PA and would never relocate anywhere north or east of my current state.
 
UrsusMedius said:
In Michigan, the seating capacity is that of the entire facility not just the individual theater. If a complex has 15 theaters with each theater having a capacity of 200 people, then the total seating capacity for the purpose of the gun restriction would be 3000 people.

If a building isn't listed in the Michigan statute as a place where you are forbidden to carry, then any posted signs are only notifying you that the management of that building doesn't want you carrying in their facility. If you're "caught" in such a place and a representative of the facility asks you to leave or to remove your gun from the premises, you need to comply or be guilty of criminal trespass. If you leave as requested then there is no violation.

Since IANAL* , you should look up the Michigan Firearm Laws (http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf) for yourself.

www.mcrgo.org has a lot of good info concerning concealed carry in Michigan. Also, Link Removed is a great resource for checking on the various carry lwas within the U.S.

* I Am Not A Lawyer

Edit: MCRGO doesn't seem to be working today. Try it again some other time.
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Almost correct. Failure to leave when asked is MISDEMEANOR trespass, not criminal tresspass. I refer you to MSP Legal Update 86, which stipulates that it constitutes a civil infraction. http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf
 
Fun fact about Michigan
Everyplace it is illegal to CC in while having CPL - you can legally OC in. So if your tucked.. Untuck and continue about your day at the movies.. (obviously unless they have the stupid signs - then just avoid those places)

There was supposed to be a law change about OC/CC - but it got vetoed due to poor wording/etc. (last I heard on it anyway)

Only place I see those stupid signs, are places id never go to anyway unless I had no choice (like court buildings / Sec state office / etc)

I have on 2 occasions walked into a place, seen no evidence of a (proper) sign on the door (in proper locations / of proper height / width / etc) and not until past the main doors / secondary doors seen a stupid sign (generally slightly bigger then a postcard) and just ignored it.. IF the sign isn't properly displayed, I will ignore it..

I am still looking forward to the redoing of the CPL laws, to change them to a more free carry anywhere/anyplace type thing.. (though im sure they will still be banned in courts/gubberment buildings)
 
Dunewolf said:
Fun fact about Michigan
Everyplace it is illegal to CC in while having CPL - you can legally OC in. So if your tucked.. Untuck and continue about your day at the movies.. (obviously unless they have the stupid signs - then just avoid those places)

There was supposed to be a law change about OC/CC - but it got vetoed due to poor wording/etc. (last I heard on it anyway)

Only place I see those stupid signs, are places id never go to anyway unless I had no choice (like court buildings / Sec state office / etc)

I have on 2 occasions walked into a place, seen no evidence of a (proper) sign on the door (in proper locations / of proper height / width / etc) and not until past the main doors / secondary doors seen a stupid sign (generally slightly bigger then a postcard) and just ignored it.. IF the sign isn't properly displayed, I will ignore it..

I am still looking forward to the redoing of the CPL laws, to change them to a more free carry anywhere/anyplace type thing.. (though im sure they will still be banned in courts/gubberment buildings)
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The only government facility in which they are banned in MI is courthouses. If you want, you can carry your firearm right out onto the floor of the state legislature. There are some police facilities that are trying to turn themselves into "pistol free" zones (like the Grand Rapids Police Dept.), but the fact is that MI law does not list them as carry free zones.

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BCI 1 how many permits in New York City and can any law abiding citizen get one oh and what if your mag holds more than 10 rounds oh and what if you have more than 7 rounds in your gun


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mooosie said:
BCI 1 how many permits in New York City and can any law abiding citizen get one oh and what if your mag holds more than 10 rounds oh and what if you have more than 7 rounds in your gun


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He's gonna tear you a new one...:-)

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mooosie said:
BCI 1 how many permits in New York City and can any law abiding citizen get one oh and what if your mag holds more than 10 rounds oh and what if you have more than 7 rounds in your gun


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You don't want to go there, it's horribe. NYC is not part of the NY state permit system. NYC has it's own permit and it's own laws outside of the state. Persons with CCW permits in NYC may not carry outside of the city. Persons with NY state permits may not carry in NYC. For years I had both a NYC and NYS CCW permit.
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The state permit requires a two-page application, a background check and interview. No training is required by law. Although not codified into law, most counties want applicants to take the 4-hour NRA Firwt Steps class. No shooting or qualifier is required. Costs about $120. And yes, any law-abiding citizen can get one, thus roughly 1 million permits in the upstate population of 9 million. That's 1 in 9 people. And since about 2.5 million of the 9 million are kids, that's about 1 in every 7 adults upstate have a CCW permit. Don't believe me, just check the stats. There are no restrictions on where you can carry other than a school. OK in banks, churches, funerals, parades, restaurants, bars, theaters, stadiums, etc. 10 rounds is the limit just like a number of other states (the 7 round law has been struck by the fed courts). And if you need more than 10 that's a hell of a fight. The democrats keep focusing on legal gun owners and aren't bright enough to see it doesn't reduce crime. Then again I have a lot of liberal friends who carry 24/7.
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The city permit cost me a lot of money and was renewed. I let it lapse because I don't go there much and it's not worth the cost. And yes, any law-abiding citizen can get a permit but CCW is rare in the city.
 
I have always felt New York City and LA were the armpits of the country and Chicago was the crotch I no there are a lot of good people who live in these city's for various reasons I just feel fortunate that I don't have to


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mooosie said:
I have always felt New York City and LA were the armpits of the country and Chicago was the crotch I no there are a lot of good people who live in these city's for various reasons I just feel fortunate that I don't have to


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Yeah, while NYS is no cake-walk, NYC is an outright violator of our rights.
 
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