carrying conceal at store.

[gwhitegm60]

Well after listening to the Sheriff's from around the country asking the citizens to arm them selves. I have taken their advice and carried concealed tonight to and from the store. Since it is getting dark earlier I am not taking any chances.

Gregg

 

[phillip69]

Well after listening to the Sheriff's from around the country asking the citizens to arm them selves. I have taken their advice and carried concealed tonight to and from the store. Since it is getting dark earlier I am not taking any chances.

Gregg

Welcome! And great first step!

Next start going to the range and practicing with that thing so you become safe with it. Hope you can get to the point of never leaving the house without it in the future.

 

[Wild Dog]

Forget concealed, go open carry. Walking around without a weapon in sight is like blood in the water, and the sharks will come and have themselves a real good meal.

 

[ccwaz]

Wild Dog, non offense but your post makes no sense to me. I personally do open carry pretty regularly because I live in AZ and nobody here seems to care. But methinks it works the opposite of what you say. Carrying open is like inviting the Sharks - to take you out first, since they can see the piece and recognize you as a threat. We're usually better off going concealed, unless we have eyes in the back of our head so we spot them first and avoid being taken by surprise.

 

[ccwaz]

Besides, our friend here is new to the idea of carry. We should encourage him to get more training, not scare the pants off of him!

 

[phillip69]

Besides, our friend here is new to the idea of carry. We should encourage him to get more training, not scare the pants off of him!

ccwaz nice replies to both! I hope if ever I ask for suggestions I get you to reply in such positive ways!

 

[NavyLCDR]

But methinks it works the opposite of what you say. Carrying open is like inviting the Sharks - to take you out first, since they can see the piece and recognize you as a threat. We're usually better off going concealed, unless we have eyes in the back of our head so we spot them first and avoid being taken by surprise.

So, you will be able to provide examples that your theory is true in real life? I'll wait. I've been waiting for years for examples of "you'll get shot first".

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Captain Jerry Quan, the Commander for Precinct One, where the Wafflehouse is located, confirmed Matt Brannan's story as one in which the open display of a pistol deterred a well armed robbery crew.

Gun Owner Saves Lives In The Richmond VA Golden Market Shooting

Open carry was an advantage in this case because in the video I saw just how fast the GO managed to draw his gun and begin to return fire. You always hear about how open carry is so bad tactically – you’ll be the first one shot, etc. Oh, yeah? The GO had a HUGE gun in plain sight and he was NOT shot. Who got shot first? An unarmed store owner.

I don't care if someone open carries or conceals - but the "you'll get shot first" theory just doesn't happen in real life - more than once or twice per year, and most of those examples are very dubious, like, "I was standing outside the motel at 2am smoking a cigarette when...."


Openly displaying flower pots on your front porch apparently makes you a target:
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Peter Cukor, 67, had been beaten to death with a flower pot. The suspect, 23-year-old Daniel Dewitt, was taken into custody and will be arraigned on Wednesday.

 

[indyyy]

Welcome to the forum Gregg. I joined the forum about a year and a half ago and most in here probably still know more about guns, and carrying, and rights and such than I do. I would just say that if you keep coming and bringing up topics and asking questions you can learn alot about guns, rifies, calibers, concealed vs open carry, etc. The bit Navy just posted about how much faster it is to draw open vs concealed is something I've been thinking about lately. I generally carry with a tshirt or sweat shirt covering my gun that's easy to pull over the gun while drawing, but as the cold weather comes having to draw from under a coat is a bit more cumbersome and time consuming.

It's likely I will never have to use my gun for self defense, but we never know and my reason for carrying is to have a chance if I do come up against someone who wants to shoot me. How quickly I can get to my gun if that happens is critical.

I open carry out in my yard because there are alot of big dogs in my neighborhood, but still conceal in public. Right now I am looking into how I can conceal with a coat on and still have easy access.

 

[Philrozzi]

Great! I carry everywhere I go also. You just never know when some punk will target the "No CCW" areas thinking no one is carrying in those places.

 

[DavidWhite]

Great! I carry everywhere I go also. You just never know when some punk will target the "No CCW" areas thinking no one is carrying in those places.

So, you are saying, in an online gun forum, that you violate the no ccw areas in your state?
Is this correct?


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[unicusys]

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Welcome to the forum Gregg. I joined the forum about a year and a half ago and most in here probably still know more about guns, and carrying, and rights and such than I do. I would just say that if you keep coming and bringing up topics and asking questions you can learn alot about guns, rifies, calibers, concealed vs open carry, etc. The bit Navy just posted about how much faster it is to draw open vs concealed is something I've been thinking about lately. I generally carry with a tshirt or sweat shirt covering my gun that's easy to pull over the gun while drawing, but as the cold weather comes having to draw from under a coat is a bit more cumbersome and time consuming.

It's likely I will never have to use my gun for self defense, but we never know and my reason for carrying is to have a chance if I do come up against someone who wants to shoot me. How quickly I can get to my gun if that happens is critical.

I open carry out in my yard because there are alot of big dogs in my neighborhood, but still conceal in public. Right now I am looking into how I can conceal with a coat on and still have easy access.

Have you considered a shoulder harness?

 

[BillG174]

So, you are saying, in an online gun forum, that you violate the no ccw areas in your state?
Is this correct?


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I live and carry concealed in Kansas. In the state of Kansas the no gun signs (a posted business) does not carry the force of law.

 

[DavidWhite]

I live and carry concealed in Kansas. In the state of Kansas the no gun signs (a posted business) does not carry the force of law.

It does carry the charge of trespassing.

 

[Hatchetman]

It does carry the charge of trespassing.

So? I carry EVERYWHERE there isnt a metal detector, in any state regardless of the "laws" or degrees of "the force of law" Are you saying you FOLLOW all unconstitutional "laws"?

BTW, I dont give a rats behind if I post the truth like this on a public forum on the internet, I am not afraid of oathbreakers or govt minions... (I am also NOT stupid so I keep it concealed when breaking those unconstitutional laws...., I have no desire for ANY confrontations with any type of criminal, govt or private)

 

[BillG174]

It does carry the charge of trespassing.

Only criminal trespassing if you do not leave the store if asked to do so. But as they say Concealed is Concealed. If you conceal and act correctly they will never know. As I said, in my state and many other states the no gun signs do not carry the force of the law.

 

[DavidWhite]

Isn't Trespassing on marked property against the law?

Yes or no. It's a simple question.


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[DavidWhite]

So? I carry EVERYWHERE there isnt a metal detector, in any state regardless of the "laws" or degrees of "the force of law" Are you saying you FOLLOW all unconstitutional "laws"?

BTW, I dont give a rats behind if I post the truth like this on a public forum on the internet, I am not afraid of oathbreakers or govt minions... (I am also NOT stupid so I keep it concealed when breaking those unconstitutional laws...., I have no desire for ANY confrontations with any type of criminal, govt or private)

So.

You carry a firearm, in any state of your choosing with no permission slip everywhere you go...at all times.

Correct?


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[BillG174]

Isn't Trespassing on marked property against the law?

Yes or no. It's a simple question.


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David, let me try this again. In the state that I live in an Attorney General approved no gun sign posted at the entrance to a private business does not carry the force of law so I usually enter the store, etc. carrying concealed. According to the laws in my state entering a posted business is not considered trespassing. It turns into trespassing only if a store representative asks me to leave and I do not leave. This has never happened to me but if I was asked to leave the premise I would certainly do so immediately without making a fuss, etc. Some conceal carriers choose not to shop at a posted business because they don't want to give the business their money. I do not share that thought process. If I want to shop at a posted business I will do so.

 

[DavidWhite]

It is the force of law if you can be charged, no?
See, the property owner posts a "do not" sign, letting YOU know that your gun is not welcome there.
This is done so that the property owner doesn't have to "greet" everyone at the door, his feelings are made known by the sign.

By YOU continuing on past the sign, while armed, makes you a trespasser.
Period.
Now once you are caught, the property owner may call the police on you as it his right to do so.

So now, you're caught, the police are called and you become the fodder for future anti-gun rights news.

Nice job.

 

[Hatchetman]

It is the force of law if you can be charged, no?
See, the property owner posts a "do not" sign, letting YOU know that your gun is not welcome there.
This is done so that the property owner doesn't have to "greet" everyone at the door, his feelings are made known by the sign.

By YOU continuing on past the sign, while armed, makes you a trespasser.
Period.
Now once you are caught, the property owner may call the police on you as it his right to do so.

So now, you're caught, the police are called and you become the fodder for future anti-gun rights news.

Nice job.

yep, nice job (not meant sarcastically like your comment was) he stood up for his constitutional rights, and YOU made fun of/ mocked him on a forum.... WHO is the one who practiced what they preached? certainly not YOU david..... No-one, EVER represents ME unless I SAY THEY DO... if someone goes on a shooting rampage, do they represent YOU? didnt think so, they dont represent me either... So WHY do you think someone who gets gigged for trespassing represents you? get a clue david... you are much better than this. And BTW..... it is only trespassing if you refuse to leave after being found out you are ignoring their rules....