carrying at work....

[swmp]

this is a general question not specifically aimed at concealed carry all the time...

i have 6 months then i can get my concealed carry... in the mean time i usually carry in my vehicle... i recently took a job where i travel a lot and stay in rooms a lot, not to mention i carry expensive equitment for work so naturally i carry if its legal...

i came across this in the employee handbook...

• Possession of firearms or any other dangerous weapon on company property, in a vehicle being used on company business or at a work-related function.

this kinda confuses me...

i can understand them not wanting you to carry when actually on company time but this sounds like they dont want you to have it at all even if your 300 miles away from where u will be working and traveling to the room you will be staying.. not to mention its perfectly legal to carry in your vehicle its your property... or maybe its so pose to mean company vehicle...

this is my dream job and i dont want to do anything to risk losing it yet on the other hand i feel safer with my handgun... and in this day and age you cant be to careful...


anyone ever come across anything like this before?

 

[sig1014]

Is it a Company vehicle or your private vehicle? If it is a company truck, some policies don't allow firearms in their vehicles. (It's USUALLY an insurance thing! )

 

[MadMAF]

Consider it this way. Your life is more important than your job, even a dream job. If it's your vehicle, carry in it. Hopefully the need to use it never arises, and odds are that the company will never know you have a gun in your vehicle. If ever you DO need to use it, survival trumps disciplinary action from work any day of the week. Also, in such a circumstance, if the company DID hit you with punitive action, you most likely will have legal recourse. Not so much if you're just a statistic.

 

[swmp]

Is it a Company vehicle or your private vehicle? If it is a company truck, some policies don't allow firearms in their vehicles. (It's USUALLY an insurance thing! )

it is my personal vehicle that i use to travel.. not sure what that line in the handbook reference to ie company or personal... lol and not going to ask my manager

 

[Firefighterchen]

My opinion on your company handbook:

In any vehicle, company or personal, if you're on the clock, they don't want you to possess a firearm.

Do whatever you want, just know the consequences of your actions if you get caught by your company. They pay you, they make the rules, you can choose another job.

The other option to trump their rules, is that some states have laws that deny companies that authority. What does your state laws say?

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[Pir8fan]

it is my personal vehicle that i use to travel.. not sure what that line in the handbook reference to ie company or personal... lol and not going to ask my manager

If it's your personal vehicle, I'd carry. Period.

 

[Paul_of_TX]

You need to know what your state law says about carrying in your vehicle. In Texas the state law says you can't carry at on school premises, at church or at work if your employer has a policy against it. The TS state law goes on to define school premises as only the building not the parking lot. A Church must inform you that they do not allow CC otherwise it is not against the law. Also your vehicle is an extension of your home and you can carry in your vehicle even with out a permit and your employer can't tell you that you can't keep a gun in your car even if you park on their property.

Carefully reread your employe handbook. I think my employee handbook says we can't carry or store firearms in our vehicle while parked in the company parking lot. You almost miss the part they threw in about unless allowed by state law. Basically the company tells me I can't keep a gun in my car unless it is allowed by state law. Like AndyF said above some companies do this for insurance purposes and are not really out to be anti-gun.

Get a small auto safe with a sturdy cable and keep your gun in there and then never tell anyone about it.

 

[jcreek]

it is my personal vehicle that i use to travel.. not sure what that line in the handbook reference to ie company or personal... lol and not going to ask my manager

It said a vehicle being used on company business. If all you're doing is travel to and from work in it that's not company business. Unless you're like a delivery driver and you use your own personal vehicle for deliveries, chances are you're not using your vehicle for company business. With that said, what they don't know won't hurt em. Carried for 2 years working in construction, boss never had a clue.

 

[wolf_fire]

this is a general question not specifically aimed at concealed carry all the time...

i have 6 months then i can get my concealed carry... in the mean time i usually carry in my vehicle... i recently took a job where i travel a lot and stay in rooms a lot, not to mention i carry expensive equitment for work so naturally i carry if its legal...

i came across this in the employee handbook...

• Possession of firearms or any other dangerous weapon on company property, in a vehicle being used on company business or at a work-related function.

this kinda confuses me...

i can understand them not wanting you to carry when actually on company time but this sounds like they dont want you to have it at all even if your 300 miles away from where u will be working and traveling to the room you will be staying.. not to mention its perfectly legal to carry in your vehicle its your property... or maybe its so pose to mean company vehicle...

this is my dream job and i dont want to do anything to risk losing it yet on the other hand i feel safer with my handgun... and in this day and age you cant be to careful...


anyone ever come across anything like this before?

Here's the deal. You don't mention which state you are from, so no one on this forum can give you a straight answer as to whether you are within your rights or not in your car or at your work place.

What is true is that if someone that owns private property has told you that they do not want you on their property with firearms, and you don't leave, you are criminally trespassing. Add this to a work site, then you could easily be up for termination.

Without knowing where you hail or what your state's laws are, the straight scoop is this: some people ignore the law and carry concealed on themselves because they subscribe to a higher moral code and having protection is more important than following a civil mandate.... some people follow the law and this puts them in situations like you are in. Case and point: do what you will, but know you will have to deal with any repercussions of your actions if/when you get caught with a firearm where you aren't to have one OR get caught in a situation where you need a firearm and don't have one because you were following the law.

Since you are a new poster, please let us know where you are from since each state's laws are different.

 

[Cowbilly32]

When on business in your personal vehicle do you turn in mileage for reimbursement of your expenses? If you do, then it is the same as a company vehicle during the times you are on company business. If you don't, I don't see how the company's policy can apply. Just my 2 cents... for actual legal advice, consult a lawyer; and if you do, let the rest of us know what he/she said.

 

[Paul_of_TX]

I was also wondering if he got reimbursed for using his vehicle. I'm not sure if that matters or not. You could argue that since they reimburse him for using his vehicle they are acknowledging that the vehicle belongs to him and not the company. Since it is his vehicle he can do what he wants with the vehicle. A company vehicle or a vehicle that the company gives you money to help with the cost of leasing the vehicle would be a different story.

 

[swmp]

Here's the deal. You don't mention which state you are from, so no one on this forum can give you a straight answer as to whether you are within your rights or not in your car or at your work place.

What is true is that if someone that owns private property has told you that they do not want you on their property with firearms, and you don't leave, you are criminally trespassing. Add this to a work site, then you could easily be up for termination.

Without knowing where you hail or what your state's laws are, the straight scoop is this: some people ignore the law and carry concealed on themselves because they subscribe to a higher moral code and having protection is more important than following a civil mandate.... some people follow the law and this puts them in situations like you are in. Case and point: do what you will, but know you will have to deal with any repercussions of your actions if/when you get caught with a firearm where you aren't to have one OR get caught in a situation where you need a firearm and don't have one because you were following the law.

Since you are a new poster, please let us know where you are from since each state's laws are different.

sorry, from new mexico usa. the law does consider my vehicle an extension of my home

 

[swmp]

I was also wondering if he got reimbursed for using his vehicle. I'm not sure if that matters or not. You could argue that since they reimburse him for using his vehicle they are acknowledging that the vehicle belongs to him and not the company. Since it is his vehicle he can do what he wants with the vehicle. A company vehicle or a vehicle that the company gives you money to help with the cost of leasing the vehicle would be a different story.

i do get paid for reimbursement.. thats a good point that you made too.

 

[Paul_of_TX]

i do get paid for reimbursement.. thats a good point that you made too.

I'm no lawyer so I have no idea if that makes any difference if they pay you reimbursement while you use your vehicle while on the job. I think a lot of companies make rules that go a little beyond the law and then go on to say that state laws will prevail. Most importantly you need to know what the law says about it.

 

[Pir8fan]

I carry at my office. Of course, I own the company too. Glad I don't have to deal with anti-gun companies (although most of this is really coming from their insurance companies)

 

[swmp]

I'm no lawyer so I have no idea if that makes any difference if they pay you reimbursement while you use your vehicle while on the job. I think a lot of companies make rules that go a little beyond the law and then go on to say that state laws will prevail. Most importantly you need to know what the law says about it.

im not sure if there are any laws that say what a company can or cant do... I know the law states your vehicle is a extension of your home and you can open carry or conceal carry in vehicle. businesses can post no gun signs but i dont really go into a HQ or office.. i travel with the equipment to a location for a few days to a week or so then on to the next location.

 

[wolf_fire]

Ok, what I'm about to say needs reminding that I'm not a lawyer and you should not get your legal advice from a forum, so check everything I say and what everyone else says as well.

You mention that you are in NM and don't yet currently have a permit/license but you will. You also mention that NM considers your vehicle an extension of your home, therefore you carry in your car currently. You also mention that the company acknowledges that you use YOUR car for company business by reimbursing you. Therefore, that payment acknowledges two very important things: one) it is definitely your car, and two) you are definitely using it for company business or else they would not pay you.

Now, reading what you said your company's employee handbook says, you may not have possession of your weapon on property or in a vehicle on company business. The gray area here is that the vehicle is mentioned in the same sentence and directly after company property. Now a good lawyer can dissect that sentence to mean a company vehicle on business or a personal vehicle on company business.

The question you need to ask yourself is: Do I investigate as to the very meaning of the wording of this line in the handbook, and if I do, to whom do I ask the question? If you do investigate it, I personally would not go to anyone that works in the company, because you will get their interpretation. So that leaves two other choices, the company lawyer, or your own.

The other question you need to ask is: Even if I found out that the employee handbook means I cannot carry in my car on company business, do I still carry in order to protect myself? That, my friend, is a decision that no one can answer for you.

The last question you need to have answered: Do the NM statutes trump company rule on this issue? That you will need to research by going through NM law on firearms carry.

 

[kelcarry]

Many replies with different takes on situation. Bottom line--company says no--if you like your job and everything leads to company no--you agree or take your chances or leave. Certainly makes sense to ask company, as a point of information, based on your concerns--just say it right.