Car travel from SC thru and in MD, PA, NY and NJ


kelcarry

New member
Sorry for probably asking redundant question on gun carry. Will travel by car thru several states that do not, according to CC map, allow any reciprocating CCWP with my SC permit; these states are MD, PA, NJ and NY, including NY City. Am I allowed to have loaded firearm (secure in glove compartment or middle console) as I travel thru or remain in these states? If I should have an imminent possibilty of great bodily injury in those states, what are the very real problems, legal/LEO, if I actually retrieve firearm for protection? Other states including NC, VA and DE seem to be ok. Any comments most welcome. Thank you
 

CLM1911

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Before you get to the border of MD. You will have to stop and secure your weapon. Weapon in a case (locked preferably), then put in the trunk, and ammo in the front of your vehicle (glove compartment). When you get into DE., do not bother to go through the process of re-arming yourself, because you will be in New Jersikstan within twenty minutes. Please do not even entertain the idea of traveling through any of the aforementioned states with a loaded weapon. They will put you in jail, no ifs, ands, or buts. I assure you that I am not trying to be an alarmist, but I am from N.J., and I live in S.C. now (for obvious reasons). I know what they are about, and that is to keep the law abiding citizen unarmed and the criminal in charge. Also keep in mind of your final destination, if it is one of these states, then whomever you are staying with, when you arrive, immediately stow your weapon and all your accompaniment to the weapon. And if you happen to get pulled over, dummy up, Yes sir/No sir, Thank you officer,etc., because if you give them a millimeter, they will use it against you in a heartbeat. Again, not being an alarmist, but please use your best judgement and extreme caution.
 

kelcarry

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Thanks CLM for answer. Kind of knew what the answer would be, particularly in NY/NJ. Not worth it for me. If it isn't loaded and I will have a problem, it is a useless exercise in responsible self defense. I only go "north" because I have to (niece's wedding). I guess situational awareness will be my self defense and then get back to SC where citizens can stil defend themselves responsibly without nanny hypocritical politicians telling me otherwise. Just wonder how many NJ/NY politicos have permission to CC but are fully behind the rest of us having to fend for ourselves in their state hellholes
 

Curmudgeon

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Before you get to the border of MD. You will have to stop and secure your weapon. Weapon in a case (locked preferably), then put in the trunk, and ammo in the front of your vehicle (glove compartment). When you get into DE., do not bother to go through the process of re-arming yourself, because you will be in New Jersikstan within twenty minutes. Please do not even entertain the idea of traveling through any of the aforementioned states with a loaded weapon. They will put you in jail, no ifs, ands, or buts. I assure you that I am not trying to be an alarmist, but I am from N.J., and I live in S.C. now (for obvious reasons). I know what they are about, and that is to keep the law abiding citizen unarmed and the criminal in charge. Also keep in mind of your final destination, if it is one of these states, then whomever you are staying with, when you arrive, immediately stow your weapon and all your accompaniment to the weapon. And if you happen to get pulled over, dummy up, Yes sir/No sir, Thank you officer,etc., because if you give them a millimeter, they will use it against you in a heartbeat. Again, not being an alarmist, but please use your best judgement and extreme caution.


^ This, especially the bolded.

Here is a site you should study carefully... Link Removed ...there is a lot of good info there. Additionally, although SC and PA do not have formal reciprocity, you are OK in PA...


18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license

(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

...

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

So... in PA, with your SC permit, you may CC, you may OC (since no permit is required for OC in PA) and you may carry open or concealed, and loaded, in your car.

My son and his family live in SC, I have looked in to this before.

As to calling the LEO in each state for information, I would also verify EVERYTHING on my own. If a LEO happens to be clueless as to the laws and gives you bad info you can still get into trouble. Checking with LEO will not save you. Know the laws yourself.
 

Throttleup

New member
If New York is your final destination, no method of carry or storage is legal. McClure-Volkmer requires that the firearm be legal where you are coming from and legal where you are going to in order to be considered legal while enroute. The latest info I have from Pa. is that they do not honor SC's CWP, so no concealed carry. You can get a Pa Permit for $26 by stopping at any County Sheriff's office. They used to accept applications by mail but stopped it this year. Bill
 

BC1

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Sorry for probably asking redundant question on gun carry. Will travel by car thru several states that do not, according to CC map, allow any reciprocating CCWP with my SC permit; these states are MD, PA, NJ and NY, including NY City. Am I allowed to have loaded firearm (secure in glove compartment or middle console) as I travel thru or remain in these states? If I should have an imminent possibilty of great bodily injury in those states, what are the very real problems, legal/LEO, if I actually retrieve firearm for protection? Other states including NC, VA and DE seem to be ok. Any comments most welcome. Thank you
Kelcarry, you're OK traveling through NYS as long as the gun is locked up and unloaded. Don't carry through NYC under any circumstances. They will absolutely arrest you if caught. In orer to transport through NYC one must first get written permission from the comissioner of police.
 

mrjam2jab

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If New York is your final destination, no method of carry or storage is legal. McClure-Volkmer requires that the firearm be legal where you are coming from and legal where you are going to in order to be considered legal while enroute. The latest info I have from Pa. is that they do not honor SC's CWP, so no concealed carry. You can get a Pa Permit for $26 by stopping at any County Sheriff's office. They used to accept applications by mail but stopped it this year. Bill

as mentioned in Post #5, driving thru PA with ANY permit is legal.

Kelcarry, you're OK traveling through NYS as long as the gun is locked up and unloaded. Don't carry through NYC under any circumstances. They will absolutely arrest you if caught. In orer to transport through NYC one must first get written permission from the comissioner of police.

Special permission to transport THRU? never heard that before.
 

Swinokur

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Other than PA, you could not have picked any more gun unfriendly states. Add DC and it's all of them.

Even if you decide to , never never consent to a search of your vehicle.

never
 

BC1

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as mentioned in Post #5, driving thru PA with ANY permit is legal.

Special permission to transport THRU? never heard that before.
Exactly. NYC is screwed up. Federal law should pre-empt this law but it exists. There was a lengthy post recently about a guy who landed at a NYC airport, intending to transport his gun through the state. He was arrested at the airport. The disposition of his case was an unfair decision against him. I believe he had to cop-out to a charge. To those of us upstate, NYC is another country. As NYS residents, WE are afraid to transport through without permission. We have "gun-grabber" NYC Mayor Michael Bloomburg to thank for this.

Crazy, but here it is:

NYS Penal Law S400.00(6)

6. License: validity. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall be valid notwithstanding the provisions of any local law or ordinance. No license shall be transferable to any other person or premises. A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver, not otherwise limited as to place or time of possession, shall be effective throughout the state, except that the same shall not be valid within the city of New York unless a special permit granting validity is issued by the police commissioner of that city. Such license to carry or possess shall be valid within the city of New York in the absence of a permit issued by the police commissioner of that city, provided that (a) the firearms covered by such license have been purchased from a licensed dealer within the city of New York and are being transported out of said city forthwith and immediately from said dealer by the licensee in a locked container during a continuous and uninterrupted trip; or provided that (b) the firearms covered by such license are being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted; or provided that (c) the firearms covered by such license are carried by armored car security guards transporting money or other valuables, in, to, or from motor vehicles commonly known as armored cars, during the course of their employment; or provided that (d) the licensee is a retired police officer as police officer is defined pursuant to subdivision thirty-four of section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law or a retired federal law enforcement officer, as defined in section 2.15 of the criminal procedure law, who has been issued a license by an authorized licensing officer as defined in subdivision ten of section 265.00 of this chapter; provided, further, however, that if such license was not issued in the city of New York it must be marked "Retired Police Officer" or "Retired Federal Law Enforcement Officer", as the case may be, and, in the case of a retired officer the license shall be deemed to permit only police or federal law enforcement regulations weapons; or provided that (e) the licensee is a peace officer described in subdivision four of section 2.10 of the criminal procedure law and the license, if issued by other than the city of New York, is marked "New York State Tax Department Peace Officer" and in such case the exemption shall apply only to the firearm issued to such licensee by the department of taxation and finance. A license as gunsmith or dealer in firearms shall not be valid outside the city or county, as the case may be, where issued.

This law pertain to NYS residents and NY does not provide reciprocity with other states. Nor does it allow for a non-resident permit. Although the law allows the uninterrupted transport, it is routinely disregarded by NYC authorities as the law is vague regarding out-of-state residents. Police don't really know what to do. There have been lots of arrests for just transporting. The same has occurred in NJ repeatedly. I travel to NJ for training and I'm always nervous despite being in compliance with their state law.
 

mrjam2jab

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6. License: validity. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall be valid notwithstanding the provisions of any local law or ordinance. No license shall be transferable to any other person or premises. A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver, not otherwise limited as to place or time of possession, shall be effective throughout the state, except that the same shall not be valid within the city of New York unless a special permit granting validity is issued by the police commissioner of that city. Such license to carry or possess shall be valid within the city of New York in the absence of a permit issued by the police commissioner of that city, provided that (a) the firearms covered by such license have been purchased from a licensed dealer within the city of New York and are being transported out of said city forthwith and immediately from said dealer by the licensee in a locked container during a continuous and uninterrupted trip; or provided that (b) the firearms covered by such license are being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted; .


I don't see that as "needing special permission" to transport thru NYC. I read it as your permit as issued by your county in NYS is not valid in NYC without the NYC endorsement. I as a PA resident passing thru would not need to get the NYC endorsement.
 

twogunwilly

American
I don't see that as "needing special permission" to transport thru NYC. I read it as your permit as issued by your county in NYS is not valid in NYC without the NYC endorsement. I as a PA resident passing thru would not need to get the NYC endorsement.
Maybe not but don't stop anywhere.
 

BC1

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I don't see that as "needing special permission" to transport thru NYC. I read it as your permit as issued by your county in NYS is not valid in NYC without the NYC endorsement. I as a PA resident passing thru would not need to get the NYC endorsement.
Exactly the point. They will still arrest you despite this. If you don't have a NYC permit, you're under arrest no matter what. They will treat you like a criminal and put you through the system at your own expense and reputation. This is one reason why we consider NYC to be another country. They will not recognize fed law unless made to do so in a court proceeding. For all intensive purposes and according to federal law, I too should be able to transport through NYC on my way to another state.

From the NRA/ILA

It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel if the person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Upstate NY treats NYC just as badly (and they deserve it). A NYC permit does not give you the right to carry the gun anywhere in the state other than NYC. Anf generally your NYC permit does not allow for a CCW but is a permit to posses. Seems that NYC and NYS are even at odds with each other. They don't recognize each other's permits.
 

dojoman

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Not in NY. And especially NYC. You better be just traveling thru the city or they will cuff you on weapons charges.Even us permit holders in NY can't step foot in NYC with a pistol in the car unless we are going to a gunsmith and leaving right after. In NY, your only allowed to have the gun in your truck or under all your luggage. Unloaded. Which according to NY Penal law means no Ammunition in the magazine period. Or any magazines for that mater. Trigger lock as well! And ammo sperate from the guns location, meaning you can't have both the gun and ammo in the same box/case/luggage/bag or w.e.
 

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