Car carry

The initial collision that forced the suspects off the road caused some unforeseen problems for the agents, as the FBI vehicles sustained damage from the heavier, older car driven by Matix.[7] Just prior to ramming the Monte Carlo, Manauzzi had pulled out his service revolver and placed it on the seat in anticipation of a shootout,[7] but the force of the collision flung open his door and sent his weapon flying. Hanlon lost his .357 Magnum service revolver during the initial collision, though he was still able to fight with his Smith & Wesson Model 36 backup gun. The collision knocked off Grogan's eye glasses, and there is speculation his vision was so bad that he was unable to see clearly enough to be effective. (A claim disputed by the FBI's Medical Director, who stated that Grogan's vision was "not that bad".) Grogan, however, is credited with landing the first hit of the gunfight, wounding Matix in the forearm as he leaned out of the Monte Carlo to fire the shotgun at Grogan & Dove.[8]

1986 FBI Miami shootout

Keep it on you.
 
I have a Serpa holster that mounts to a quick disconnect on the side of my center console. I typically will only use it on long trips and the gun is always on me when I leave the vehicle. Accessing the gun is just as fast, if not faster, than it is from the holster on my body. I do this more often now due to an old injury causing me problems. I fell down a flight of stairs about 10 years ago and injured the sacroiliac joint in my right hip, right where I've always worn my IWB holster. It's been hurting a lot more the last few months. I'm not sure why, but I see the doctor again next week. Since I have difficulty holstering any of my guns in front, I'm relegated to a hip holster. Other than the fact that it's much harder to conceal there, it also digs into me uncomfortably because it's right where my seat belt and shoulder belt meet at the buckle. That's why I use the console holster when I'm on more than just short trips around town. It's still a fast draw, it can't fly around and it's never unattended. I'll add another benefit that I think is also important. Since the holster is on a quick disconnect mount, there's no visible clue to potential thieves that there might be a gun somewhere in the truck.
 
NavyLCDR said:
Well, let's see - right now you've got 57 posts and 7 likes to your posts. Not bad. That's about 1 like every 8 posts. I've got 5580+ posts over 5 1/4 years and 5930 likes on my posts. Hmmmm...... seems like people prefer my five year old cartoon responses a lot more than your same opinion expressed over and over again. Like I said in another thread - you might have better luck with Moms Demand Action. If you don't annoy the crap out of them first.
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This is my favorite response on this forum.

"I have more posts than you so my opinion carries more weight" or "I have more likes than you do so stop trying to argue with me."

You are Obama's Campaign manager. You are a pathetic politician who guides his posting behavior based on feedback. You and your fake forum friends like each other's posts and direct each other into party speak.

You are a minor Cuban Communist Party member. You try to use propaganda and ridicule and cartoons to sway others to your opinion.

Get back to your Rubber Ducky Flotilla. Or start reading and using reason.
 
JustTheFacts said:
This is my favorite response on this forum.

"I have more posts than you so my opinion carries more weight" or "I have more likes than you do so stop trying to argue with me."
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That isn't what he said, but I think you know that. He was merely pointing out that he's been here long enough and has posted enough quality material to garner himself a reputation far surpassing the juvenile label you attempted to apply to him. He's correct in that regard. You're perfectly free to disagree with him of course. Everyone has that right. He was just pointing out to you that hurling insults wasn't going to get you anywhere. He's correct in that regard too.
 
Rhino said:
That isn't what he said, but I think you know that. He was merely pointing out that he's been here long enough and has posted enough quality material to garner himself a reputation far surpassing the juvenile label you attempted to apply to him. He's correct in that regard. You're perfectly free to disagree with him of course. Everyone has that right. He was just pointing out to you that hurling insults wasn't going to get you anywhere. He's correct in that regard too.
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Check out his posts that get the most likes. Cartoons. Insults. Vehement overblown arguments. Is that the quality material of which you write?

Likes indicating agreement among a small group of like-minded people indicate conformity, not prowess.

My statements stand. It is at least part of what he was saying. You know it.
 
Banjarmon said:
I'm thinking of mounting the shell of an AG holster inside the car to keep the weapon handy and safe.
Any ideas and suggestions are welcome
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For long trips I carry in De Santis Kingston where the holster is under my right knee. Otherwise I carry AIWB all the time.
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,

Why?

Let's say you have your handgun in its holster that's mounted in your car an you stop at the gas station for gas.

Your filler tube is on the passenger's side so you have to walk around to access it.

Meanwhile, 2 young gangbangers approach you in a standard pinching move ( that's one from your right and one from your left with you between them and your vehicle ).

How long do you think it will take you to reach your gun?

My bet would be waaaaaay to long.

I'm not a fan of "car carry" and what I posted above is just one of the reasons why.

Paul
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I don't think he said he wasn't going to carry on him. He didn't say he was either but giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think it's a great idea. I carry a gun on my person at all times. I am right handed. So in a car driving down the road, my seatbelt blocks my gun. So I keep a gun in my glove box as well as in my hip so that one or the other is always quickly accessible whether in or out of the vehicle. My recommendation, if you are like me and carry a single stack gun that only holds 6 or 7 or 8, I would keep a double stack, high capacity gun in the center console along with a few extra mags.
 
JustTheFacts said:
Check out his posts that get the most likes. Cartoons. Insults. Vehement overblown arguments. Is that the quality material of which you write?
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Forgive me if I have some small doubt that you went through more than 5,000 posts.
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Likes indicating agreement among a small group of like-minded people indicate conformity, not prowess.
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Point taken. That is indeed a possibility, but I've seen enough of his posts to know that isn't the case.
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My statements stand.
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What statements? The post I responded to was just a series of petty and gratuitous insults. And now you're doing more of it.
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It is at least part of what he was saying. You know it.
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I think you know it wasn't, and I think that's part of what's really bugging you about this. Basically he's saying that he doesn't care what you think of him. But what's really bothering you is that he's got enough of a reputation here that your insults aren't going to hold water, particularly in light of the fact that you're a relative newcomer. He's absolutely right about that, and when you think about it, it makes sense. It's perfectly logical that an established veteran on a forum is going to have more credibility than a newcomer. I think you'd like if he had posted those remarks because he was boasting in some way because you think that would somehow give you the moral high ground, but it's bugging you because that isn't what he was doing. And I'll add a personal note in here that I think it hurts your case the more you keep slinging the insults without cause.
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And just as an FYI, he doesn't post cartoons very often.
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,



Wow wolf_fire! I agree with you too!

Yep, if it's not easily accessible you are unarmed. If it is more than an arm's length away,
your unarmed.

I've never understood the "it's too uncomfortable to carry a gun!" statement. I have a friend that's 6' 4" 270lbs and claims that even a small pocket pistol is too heavy and bulky for him to carry. I just don't get it.

After having eye surgery I've been shooting a lot lately with my Glock 23 w/ a Ciener .22LR conversion kit so I have switched to a different EDC gun. I've been rotating from a Glock 20 10mm, a Glock 35 .40S&W, a steel framed Norinco 1911A1 .45acp and a Taurus PT 845 .45acp. Mainly I've been carrying the Taurus .45 which is a full size 12-shot double stack DA/SA semi-auto pistol and even after carrying all day long including driving over 100 miles round trip, having lunch with the Wife, shopping at Sam's, Bed, Bath and Beyond, Lowe's, Tractor Supply, WalMart, and Petco, I never once said "I wish I had worn a smaller, lighter gun."

Paul
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Okay, being new I don't know, what's EDC?
 
JustTheFacts said:
This is my favorite response on this forum.

"I have more posts than you so my opinion carries more weight" or "I have more likes than you do so stop trying to argue with me."

You are Obama's campaign manager. You are a pathetic politician who guides his posting behavior based on feedback. You and your fake forum friends like each other's posts and direct each other into party speak.

You are a minor Cuban Communist Party member. You try to use propaganda and ridicule and cartoons to sway others to your opinion.
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Thank you, Rhino, for your response to the above. You seem to be a nice guy who does good research and reasons his way through things. I hope you read this.

The above are not intended only as insults - they are appropriate analogies for what NavyBoy and others do on this forum on a regular basis. If a newb enters the forum, asks appropriate questions, shows appropriate respect, and posts along the party line, no problem. But when somebody challenges the way things have been, the propagandist pugilism begins. The attacks come hard and fast. Here is the perfect example:

Positive Interaction with LEO (USAcarry thread)

That man hadn't been around enough to know what he was getting into. He didn't choose his words carefully in the first post and the attacks started immediately on post #2 with NavyLCDR. Wolf_Fire joined in. Then CharlesMorrison, BluesStringer, FireFigherChen, et al. Seriously, click the link and read through it. Do you think that was necessary? Should you be sitting silent on the sidelines as that kind of bullying happens?

And read carefully also for the multiple posts in which SexyDrummer was encouraged to leave the forum and never come back (same thing happened to me). Watch for who likes what - you'll notice a pattern.

And NavyBoy? He used the same "I have more posts and more likes than you" argument there. Wolf and Blues have both used the same argument elsewhere. NavyLCDR posted two cartoons on the thread that garnered 6 likes and a repetition of one in a later quote - yes, he posts cartoons often. Often the most liked posts are the most argumentative or the most cartoonish - controversy gets noticed.

It really bothers me - doesn't that kind of rhetoric annoy a thinking man like yourself? I guess if you sit around the pigsty enough, the smell become sweet perfume. Ever been part of a gang? Or a middle school clique of girls? I haven't either, but I hear the same behavior happens there.



As to the topic of this thread - I just leave the pistol in my pocket when I drive. (Wait for it ......)
 
I took two neodynium magnets, epoxied them to a narrow sheet of metal, drilled holes in them, wrapped them in cloth that was about the same tan color as my interior plastic, and screwed it to the plastic near my right foot. Without a small gun attached, it's all but invisible. I only carry that way when I'm going from one non-permissive place straight to another.

If you want to carry an automatic larger than an LCP, use three magnets.
 
JustTheFacts said:
Thank you, Rhino, for your response to the above. You seem to be a nice guy who does good research and reasons his way through things. I hope you read this.

The above are not intended only as insults - they are appropriate analogies for what NavyBoy and others do on this forum on a regular basis. If a newb enters the forum, asks appropriate questions, shows appropriate respect, and posts along the party line, no problem. But when somebody challenges the way things have been, the propagandist pugilism begins. The attacks come hard and fast. Here is the perfect example:

Positive Interaction with LEO (USAcarry thread)

That man hadn't been around enough to know what he was getting into. He didn't choose his words carefully in the first post and the attacks started immediately.......
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You bring up a very good point, and it's one I've mentioned here before too. That's a problem on most internet forums, and I try to get people to lighten up when I see them doing that. Most of them could probably tell you that. That isn't what was going on here though. However, what happened here has already been analyzed to death, and trying to continue analyzing it probably won't help much. I think it's probably time to come to the realization that some people will simply not agree with each other on some topics, and quit beating the dead horse. You've both made your points. There isn't going to be a winner or loser, except maybe the membership overall being a winner when the argument finally stops.
 
gundaddypv said:
I took two neodynium magnets, epoxied them to a narrow sheet of metal, drilled holes in them, wrapped them in cloth that was about the same tan color as my interior plastic, and screwed it to the plastic near my right foot. Without a small gun attached, it's all but invisible. I only carry that way when I'm going from one non-permissive place straight to another.

If you want to carry an automatic larger than an LCP, use three magnets.
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How big are the magnets? Do they hold pretty solid?

I've seen holsters like that for desks and beds...Do you feel confident they will hold the firearm in a crash?

Sent from my HTCONE using USA Carry mobile app
 
Stengun said:
Howdy,

Why?

Let's say you have your handgun in its holster that's mounted in your car an you stop at the gas station for gas.

Your filler tube is on the passenger's side so you have to walk around to access it.

Meanwhile, 2 young gangbangers approach you in a standard pinching move ( that's one from your right and one from your left with you between them and your vehicle ).

How long do you think it will take you to reach your gun?

My bet would be waaaaaay to long.

I'm not a fan of "car carry" and what I posted above is just one of the reasons why.

Paul
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Good point, however for about 8 or 9 years now I am NEVER EVER unarmed, some may call it excessive but if I'm in my own car, there be a Glock 31 in the consol, a AK with two 30rd mags in a compartment in the back and I generaly have my Kimber compact 45 on my hip, a TCP in my pocket, and if I have motorcycle boots on sometimes a NAA 22 mag in my boot, mamas car skip the AK, the motorcycle the AKs in a saddle bag, and the NAA is in a little compartment on the dash, strange car naturaly skip what might be in the car
 
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