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A WATCHMAN
Israel Now Prepared For The Inevitable?- Tim Osterholm​

Bible prophecy is unfolding before our eyes, and the world is watching too. Israel and Iran are close to war. There are three major end-times prophetic events regarding war and the nation of Israel. They are Psalm 83, Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38-39. Many Christians want to know which is likely to happen first. Could we witness events of Psalm 83 before Ezekiel 38 or Isaiah 17? Some answers are here.
I believe that Israel is on the verge of a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. This strike could either initiate the Psalm 83 war or start a chain reaction of events that may quickly lead to that war. Israel has made it known that they intend to disable Iran's nuclear capabilities. Just a few days ago, Israel National News (Arutz Sheva) reported that Israel had completed the development of its Jericho 3 electromagnetic pulse (EMP) nuclear missile. Some are calling it Israel's "preemptive missile" which can be detonated 250 to 300 miles above Iran. This would effectively wipe out Iran's electrical infrastructure, disable their nuclear capabilities, prevent the ability to launch aircraft or missiles, and take down all radar and defense warning systems. Israel government-sponsored radio reported that Israel Defense Forces (IDF) now have "an attainable military option that it can implement independently, without American assistance, against Iran." Israel has also upgraded its Arrow II ballistic missile shield, designed to intercept and destroy medium range enemy rockets and missiles aimed at Israel. American intelligence officials suggested that an Israeli nuclear burst over Iran could "send Iran back to the Stone Age."

Israel isn't waiting much longer. Nuclear experts recently reported that Iran is "defiantly" stepping up its uranium enrichment program, and setting up new centrifuges in its facilities. Iranian officials continue to threaten Israel. In the month of August there were several radical statements made by Iranian leaders, who again vowed that "the Zionist entity" will soon be wiped off of the regional map. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told demonstrators at an annual anti-Israel protest in Tehran that the Jewish state was a "cancerous tumor" that will soon be excised." Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (Supreme Leader of Iran) declared that "the fake Zionist regime" will "disappear soon from the landscape of geography." He vowed that "The nations of the region will soon finish off the usurper Zionists in the Palestinian land." Those nations are identified in Psalm 83. Echoing Iran's combative talk, Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon stated, "We stand steadfast along our borders in the face of threats." Iranian military leader Brigadier General Gholamreza Jalali declared that "no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate Israel." The IDF Chief of Staff, Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz, often responds publicly to Iran's threats. His latest comment was very telling. He said, "We are hearing explicit threats over Israel's security and the wellbeing of its people, threats that demonstrate an underestimation of our capabilities." Perhaps that says it all.

So why wouldn't a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities initiate the Ezekiel 38 war? The results of an EMP strike would be devastating. Iran's ability to mobilize any kind of a military response would be nearly impossible. Attempting to put together a military alliance with Russia would be futile. Iran would have to spend months, perhaps years to rebuild. We know the events of Ezekiel 38 includes Persia (Iran) and Russia, yet Psalm 83 does not mention Persia or Russia in that coalition. If Iran is immobilized, the attack would quickly ignite a firestorm amongst other Arab nations. They would see it as an attack on Islam, setting the stage for Israel's border enemies to make their move (Psalm 83). Here is what's important to understand: Psalm 83 is about Israel’s conquest over the inner circle of the surrounding Arab populations of Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis and Egyptians. The final result of such a war is that Israel’s borders would be enlarged, prosperity would be increased, and their national stature greatly enhanced. This has to happen before Ezekiel 38-39.

Why? We know that in Ezekiel 38 there is a Russian-Iranian led coalition that will attempt to invade a militarily secure Israel. This condition of security becomes a reality only after the judgments are executed upon the surrounding Psalm 83 nations. If Iran is incapacitated (so to speak), then other Muslim nations will band together to "defeat" Israel. Psalm 83 identifies these nations who come against Israel (see below). Once the Psalm 83 war is complete, Israel will have accomplished all the prerequisites for the Ezekiel 38-39 war (war of Gog & Magog).

What about Isaiah 17? The Psalm 83 war includes the events described in Isaiah 17. Damascus (present Capital of Syria and the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world) becomes a wasteland, as if a nuclear strike had taken place. The prophecy also says that Israel is negatively impacted by this. Syria has thousands of chemical and biological warheads pointed at Israel, many of them hidden in Lebanon.

The events of the Psalm 83 set the stage for the Ezekiel 38-39 war. Note Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 are different coalitions:

Psalm 83 Coalition (nations that surround Israel today):

Edom = Palestinians (refugees from southern Jordan) and southern Jordanians (descendents of Esau)

Ishmaelites = Saudi Arabians and related groups

Moab = Palestinian refugees and central Jordanians

Hagrites = Egyptians

Gebal = Northern Lebanese

Ammon = Palestinian refugees and northern Jordanians

Amalek = Arabs living south of Israel

Philista = Palestinian refugees and Hamas of Gaza Strip

Tyre = Southern Lebanese (Hezbollah)

Assyria = Syrians and perhaps northern Iraqis

Children of Lot = Moab and Ammon

The end result of the Psalm 83 war is that Israel finally dwells peacefully with extended borders, which is the platform the Antichrist will use to confirm a seven year peace treaty with Israel and the "many" kings of the world (Daniel 9:27), eventually leading to fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38-39 war. Here is a map showing a rough estimate of Israel's land gains following the Psalm 83 war:

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Ezekiel 38-39 Coalition:

Gog = Prince of Rosh (ruler of Russia)

Magog, Rosh = Russia and former Soviet republics

Persia = Iran

Cush = Ethiopia, Sudan and possibly Eritrea

Put = Libya, possibly Algeria and Tunisia

Gomer = former western Soviet republics and the European Union (headed by Germany / NATO?)

Meshech = Russia and former Soviet republics

Tubal = Turkish-speaking peoples of Asia Minor & Central Asia

Beth-Togarmah = Turkey, Armenia, and other Turkish-speaking peoples of Asia Minor & Central Asia
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!
 
When its all said and done when we are dust and rubble, religion won't save us, its going to destroy this world. It already is, bit by bit.
 
The Bible IS the true Word of God. It's true: religion will never save us. Jesus is the saviour. Pray for Israel.
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!

Speaking of "getting real"... This is why we have an "Off Topic" section in this forum. If you don't like the topic, don't open the thread. If you want to talk about guns and gun related topics, there are obviously several to choose from.
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!

FYI...

This topic was posted in the 'Off Topic' section of the forum...
Hence the reason why the topic in question is not about firearms.

As far as 'getting real' in regards to the Bible...
One day your eyes will be opened to see that the words within the Bible are "More than Real".

~Peace~
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!

If you don't like it don't read it, or did the universe shift and it now rotates around you?

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It never ceases to amaze me why "atheists" (who claim to believe in NOTHING!), will go out of their way to open religious threads.

My thoughts are some of these people may not be as strong in their UNBELIEF has they think they are. This obvious lack of FAITH in their own unbelief system somehow compels them to come to threads like this and seek some sort of "validation" & "self-gratification".

It's either that; or GOD leads these people by his Holy Spirit to these threads; in hopes that they will see the light of HIS TRUTH and repent.

I wonder which one is closer to the truth?
Perhaps both are; they just fail to see it.

I do have my own theory on what is the real reason we see them coming to threads like this; and it's not based on "coincidence". :wink:

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Sandy Scott Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!
So you jump into the off topic part of the gun forum complaining about the off topic and then make a non gun comment. Do you have anything that might be constructive or helpful concerning the original post and our current state of affairs worldwide?

When its all said and done when we are dust and rubble, religion won't save us, its going to destroy this world. It already is, bit by bit.
Good point
But don’t blame religion for the destruction of the world just like you shouldn’t blame the gun for crime nor the spoon for Oprah being fat (LOL I borrowed that) No… it’s man and sin. Jesus is the only answer to the sin and destruction of this world.
 
I don't believe in anything , but I won't force a idea or what I think on anyone . To each is there own

Good for you jb!

That's one thing that differentiates "Christianity" from other religions; especially "Islam". Christianity is the religion that teaches "Freedom of Choice". Jesus himself taught all people were FREE to choose who they will follow.

The Bible just clarifies that your "choices" DO & WILL have eternal consequences.

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Sandy Scott Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!
So you jump into the off topic part of the gun forum complaining about the off topic and then make a non gun comment. Do you have anything that might be constructive or helpful concerning the original post and our current state of affairs worldwide?

When its all said and done when we are dust and rubble, religion won't save us, its going to destroy this world. It already is, bit by bit.
Good point
But don’t blame religion for the destruction of the world just like you shouldn’t blame the gun for crime nor the spoon for Oprah being fat (LOL I borrowed that) No… it’s man and sin. Jesus is the only answer to the sin and destruction of this world.

Certainly...and its man's definitions of what is right and wrong in relation to religious teachings. Ie: Radical Islam, radical Baptists, so on and so forth. It seems the more conservative the religious ideological views, the more extreme and radical the behaviors are of the followers...all in the name of their respective God. To destroy and/or kill in the name of God is a very powerful notion to so many in this world. As we see it, its been the Muslim world that has truely embraced it.
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!


Could it be that people also have an interest in God as well as guns? And the Off Topic forum is a very good place for one to express their views on religion as well as any other thing they find interesting and would like to pass on. As for your statement, "Get real.", that might be very good advice for you to take yourself. The information passed along by Ringo is about as real as it gets and, if you would compare world events with the passages he referenced, you will have to admit that he is right on. From reading your profile, I can see that you have been one who has had to read,... no to study instruction books very intently. If you would put some of that intensity into the Bible, you might well find it is the greatest instructional manual available for the salvation of your soul. For you to criticize the Bible as you do makes as much sense as me criticizing your flight manuals. I don't know the first thing about flying. If I were going to criticize the manual, I would at least put a little study into it so I would know what I was commenting on. And, maybe take a flight lesson, or two, to not be completely off base by my comments.
 
Obama has time for Vegas, golf, Jay-Z and Beyonce but not Mr. Netanyahu. Why don't some of these celebs tell him to get about business instead of hanging out with him?

When it comes to the defense of Israel, I will stand with the Israelis. I'm embarassed to be an American every time he turns his back.
 
Obama has time for Vegas, golf, Jay-Z and Beyonce but not Mr. Netanyahu. Why don't some of these celebs tell him to get about business instead of hanging out with him?

When it comes to the defense of Israel, I will stand with the Israelis. I'm embarrassed to be an American every time he turns his back.

We have the first Affirmative Action president. How's that working for us?
 
Obama has time for Vegas, golf, Jay-Z and Beyonce but not Mr. Netanyahu. Why don't some of these celebs tell him to get about business instead of hanging out with him?

When it comes to the defense of Israel, I will stand with the Israelis. I'm embarassed to be an American every time he turns his back.

I'm not embarrassed to be an American. But, I am embarrassed of our POSPOTUS.

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That's one thing that differentiates "Christianity" from other religions; especially "Islam". Christianity is the religion that teaches "Freedom of Choice".


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The "MAIN THING" that differentiates Christianity from other religions is the BIBLE & PROPHECY. Prophecy, which reveals God's plan in advance, is the missing element in all sacred scriptures of the world's religions, because false gods cannot provide it. Prophecy is not to be found in the Koran, the Hindu Vedas, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Book of Mormon, the sayings of Buddha, the writings of Mary Baker Eddy. In contrast, prophecy comprises about 30 percent of the Bible. Bible prophecy is not a prediction of the future, rather a promise about the future. The Bible contains hundreds of specific prophecies that have been fulfilled in specific ways, all with 100% accuracy. There is no denying that truth. Prophecies of Jesus Christ, Israel and world empires are found throughout the Old and New Testaments.

Fulfilled prophecy is one of the most powerful proofs that the Bible is truly the Word of God. Since all of the prophecies that were to be fulfilled in the first coming of Christ were fulfilled to the finest detail, we can be sure that the Bible itself is God's revelation to man since no human writer could be 100% accurate. "For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:21 Significantly, the God of the Bible identifies Himself as the One who accurately foretells the future and makes certain that it happens as He said it would. In fact, God points to prophecy as the irrefutable evidence of His existence and the authenticity of His Word: "For I am God, and there is none else. ...Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand..." (Isa:46:9-10
 
Thank you OP: Very intersting read, I even got my Bible out to follow some of the things you wrote. While reading the Bible its sometimes hard to figure out who is who, I appreciate your listing the name and what countries they relate to.
 
Why must bible hogwash be brought into a gun forum? Oh, that's right, a guidebook written hundreds of years after the alleged events by authors unknown is assuredly the best guide. Get real!

There's a lot of religious wackos in the forum, good post by you. I agree with you on all these wackos posting in here.
 

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