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Uh, Pilgrims - 1620?
And every Western movement of our so-called civilisation on this continent thereafter?
Ya think?
Can Muslims be good Americans?
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And every Western movement of our so-called civilisation on this continent thereafter?
Ya think?
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handgonnetoter
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Its almost like the Constitution itself is being destroyed by itself. Then I think about it and I see that it is not the Constitution, but the people using and twisting it in strange ways, just like some will use religion for that purpose, and as a result they bring about the distruction of the document (and its protection) themselves. I am an American and a Christian, but I watch how I use either the Constitution or the Bible to address problems in Society. Both are hard to decipher at times and I may be interpreting things wrongly. Any one can be a good American if they believe in our Constitution and do their best to uphold its principles. I don't believe religion, or lack thereof, makes us good or bad for the country - in the end it is about our Constitution. After all, why do you think there are so many in government trying to get rid of it? They don't want to abide by its guidlines. Just my thoughts.
We usually differ, but on this I agree with you.
Unfettered Might
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At least they had the guts (for the most part), to take it face to face instead of like a thief in the night. The pilgrims came here with the intentions of a life without oppression, they didn't come to oppress the indigenous people (in the long run). The pilgrims didn't come here with the ulterior motive to take over every culture in the world through deceit. Muslims are doing it. Its not the same thing, it's not an accurate comparison.
I'm sure if you would like to try someone else's "so called civilization", there are those of us here who would buy you a plane ticket. Sound good?
I'll chip in.
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handgonnetoter
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Well, I don't think that I am smart enough to sum up this whole thing into one neat answer, but I do feel that the rest of the world does not like us Americans and never really have. Sometimes, its easy for me to see someone with things I don't have and think to myself that that SOB should not have that, but the truth is I don't know for sure if he got that stuff by honest work or by dishonest deeds. I think the world envy of the U.S. is one that we don't deserve what we have made over a 200+ year history. In some cases they are right, but in most cases they are wrong. As a country, we have pulled our fair share of crap, but what country hasn't? One thing for sure is a historical fact though, and that is that we have done more to help other peoples than we have to hurt or occupy them. What have we got in return? SCORN AND HATE! We do need to protect ourselves from those who wish to use our own Constitution against us to bring us down or change us into what they want us to be. The hard part is trying to see where those things they are doing begin, and where they end.
You first, as to the things supposedly done in the name of Christianity, part American Indian here if that is what you are referencing, atrocities were done in the name of greed not religion...
Crusades??? Go read 'The politically incorrect guide to ISLAM and the crusades" then you can comment on that part of history....
Have a look at the you tube video's they posted, there was no harassment, maybe false arrest, false police report, public streets being closed and used for a private religious festival, but harassment, only to those that were arrested....
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It's actually a very good analogy, and a complete refutation of mclureb's righteous conclusion in a wholly prejudiced self-asked/answered judgement.
Sorry you just can't see it with the Christian blinders on.
Please give an example of how your (or others) freedoms, in the US, have been infringed upon as a result of Islam, or any other religion you don't agree with.
I think your thinking that I'm trying to defend Islam as morally superior to Christianity... Actually, someone (maybe you don't remember) implied, or stated, that Christians were somehow morally superior to non-Christians. Thus my comment about all the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity, the Christian god, whatever.
I was not defending Islam as morally superior to Christianity. I don't defend any religion, their all BS to me (I'm an Atheist). Islam is a particularly horrific religion, but read the Bible and you'll find that Christianity is pretty barbaric as well. However, I understand that not all Christians will do as the Bible says and stone people who work on Sunday. I also understand that their are Muslims that don't believe that the US is satin an should be destroyed. Neither Christianity, nor Islam have anything to offer, in my option, to morality.
What I do defend is people's right to practice the religion of their choosing, or not. So long as they do not try to force it on others, and it does not cause harm, then I'm a live and let live kinda guy. Now, be clear about what I just said - as long as it does not cause harm - obviously Islam can cause harm, look at the way they treat women. But any ideology can be harmful, even Christianity.
Pilgrims
Evidently you didn’t read my first post carefully so I’ll go a little slower. I wrote “people of a different "faith" would immigrate to nations”. First there was no nation, no United States when the Pilgrims migrated, no national government of laws only a north American continent. They did not settle in cities among other people and cultures with established laws.
As opposed to the Muslims that are moving into nations and attempting to subvert the culture and established laws. Europe provides many examples as does the city of Dearborn, MI which is called by many Muslims who live there “Hezbollah City” or “Hezbollah USA”
My statement was not “wholly prejudiced self-asked/answered judgement” but an analysis supported by fact.
Evidently you didn’t read my first post carefully so I’ll go a little slower. I wrote “people of a different "faith" would immigrate to nations”. First there was no nation, no United States when the Pilgrims migrated, no national government of laws only a north American continent. They did not settle in cities among other people and cultures with established laws.
As opposed to the Muslims that are moving into nations and attempting to subvert the culture and established laws. Europe provides many examples as does the city of Dearborn, MI which is called by many Muslims who live there “Hezbollah City” or “Hezbollah USA”
My statement was not “wholly prejudiced self-asked/answered judgement” but an analysis supported by fact.
father-of-three
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I see that no matter what I say, there will be disagreement here. That's kind of sad because what I said was factual and of concern, although sometimes in life those facts are hard facts. I can't defend the acts of all people who are affiliated with certain religious groups, as you are unable to defend the acts of all those not affiliated with certain religious groups. I believe this is called a "Red Herring" arguement.
I am happy to say that my rights as a United States Citizen have not been directly infringed by "Islam." This may not be the case when it comes to healthcare in the Unted States. I, like most others, am now mandated to purchase health insurance, whereas certain religious groups, including Muslims, are exempt from the legislation. Government mandated inequality? A violation of my rights? Well, I guess it depends on one's opinion. I'm not here to change opinions, just to give the facts.
mappow
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Ahhhh, lets start with this thing called 911. How bout the BILLONS of tax dollars being spent on DHS. THEY have effected every American Tax payer. (Or at least the ones that actually pay taxes). The freedom of me to spend the fruits of my labor has been infringed upon in the name of the Islam.
As has our right to freely travel about our own country without "big brother" reaching down our pants.
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As long as you're at it you could also admit to being a religiously intolerant bigot and get that out of the way as well.
C'mon HK - JayJay did it, now jump on that bandwagon, why dont'cha? :sarcastic:
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JSDinTexas
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+1 HK4U
And let me add to MY intolerance: I can be prejudice, one-way, black and white, right over wrong, light not darkness, good not evil, et cetera, et cetera ...
mappow
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Not sure of the moniker "Intolerant". Just because someone has a belief in something and another does not believe in that belief, one would then be in disagreement.
Intolerant as defined is showing an unwillingness or refusal to accept people who are different from you, or views, beliefs, or lifestyles that differ from your own.
A point could be made that yes, I am intolerant but another point could be made that I will not tolerate those that wish to make me believe their ways or be killed because of it. The Jews were intolerant of the Germans, the Cambodian people were intolerant of the Khmer Rouge. The genocide in Darfur.
Many examples of people being intolerant but being slaughtered. I also failed to find "intolerant or tolerance" in the Bill of Rights or US Constitution.
The only thing SOME people cling on is the word INTOLERANCE. It's whipped out like a CC weapon you may have. 'BY GOD" they don't believe in what I am or saying or my behavior........."YOU MUST BE A BIGOT OR AT LEAST A PIECE OF INTOLERANT TRASH"
Just not any power in that word anymore, at least for me. BUT please feel free to use it anytime. It justifies ones perversion of the truth and or facts.
6shootercarry
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I'm intolerant as well. Intolerant of pathetic liberal losers sitting in the high country with no religious beliefs, telling everyone how it should be and how we should feel about a religion that is more like a cult. How the country would be so much better off by allowing the muslims to come and make this country comfortable for their way of life. We have our opinions and will stick to them to the end. You won't like my opinions and I care little for yours...
Liberalism is a sickness that requires strong meds to rid this country of it....
The high country is a chemically induced state of mind huh?
