California AB144 Introduces to Ban Open Carry of Unloaded Handgun

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California State Assembly member Democrat Anthony J. Portantino of Los Angeles introduced AB144, see full bill here, that would ban open carry of an unloaded firearm in California. There have been a lot of protests recently were open carry advocates get together and open carry unloaded firearms so this new bill would put an end to that. Be sure to contact your representatives and we'll have to watch this one closely.
 
Ban on Unloaded Open Carry

I am sorry, but I believe that carrying an unloaded handgun out in the open is an invitation to death. Scenario: You are in a coffee shop like a good little doobie, with your Sig Saur unloaded in your holster, in plain sight. Some wild-eyed whack job has decided he is going to try to kill everyone in that coffee shop this morning. So this active shooter steps into the shop with two Glocks and a bag full of ammo and other guns. Who do you think the first person he shoots is? Right, the shnook with an empty gun in full sight. I spot the Glocks and quickly analyze the situation, go to the floor and draw my CONCEALED XD-45 and put two rounds into the gunman, saving the other patrons. It can't happen, you say? How many active shooters could be stopped by one citizen, armed and ready to defend himself and others. Active shooters usually kill or wound a bunch of people, then do themselves before the cops get there.
 
in my opinion carrying an unloaded exposed gun is not a good idea. i think that it is an invitation to theft or worse. before you have time to load the bad guy could easily have disarmed you and would have a new gun to commit crimminal acts with. im not against open carry but unloaded open carry isnt my cup of tea. the peoples republic of kalifornia needs to change but i dont see that happening anytime soon because look at who the new governor is. it is the responsibility of all of us to educate ourselves on who or what we are voting for. remember the california legislature as well as all states and congress are elected by us and if enough people wake up things can change.
 
Wuzfuz, it's not about if carrying an unloaded firearm is a bad idea.

It's about a state taking away the last vestige of a constitutional right, you should be angry about this.
 
the state has already taken away my rights by telling me that my gun has to be unloaded and carried openly under threat of jail. my post was not about the pros and cons of open carry but about UNLOADED open carry and that in addition to acting to defeat the proposed unjust law ab144 forbidding unloaded open carry the people should at the same time also tell their reprentatives they want to the right restored to have the gun loaded. why not? i believe the character rooster cogburn said "an unloaded gun is useless". do i think that kalifornia should take away unloaded open carry? of course not and i am mad that they want to take away even that. but by requiring the gun to be unloaded they have created the lousy situation law abiding gun owners find themselves in. it is ultimately up to us the people to contact our representives to let them know how we feel as lukem sugests. in my opinion this also includes removing them from office at the ballot box. but we have to make ourselves aware on how out represatives feel about the 2nd amendment. unfortunately many people in kalifornia and other places never check on the voting records of those who represent them. my thought was while trying to block ab144 the requirement of the gun being unloaded should be adressed and changed. i am grateful to lukem and the many others who constantly look out for unjust laws such as ab144 and inform others including myself. indeed it was one reason i joined this site. i am informed and i vote.
 
wuzfuz said:
I am sorry, but I believe that carrying an unloaded handgun out in the open is an invitation to death. Scenario: You are in a coffee shop like a good little doobie, with your Sig Saur unloaded in your holster, in plain sight. Some wild-eyed whack job has decided he is going to try to kill everyone in that coffee shop this morning. So this active shooter steps into the shop with two Glocks and a bag full of ammo and other guns. Who do you think the first person he shoots is? Right, the shnook with an empty gun in full sight. I spot the Glocks and quickly analyze the situation, go to the floor and draw my CONCEALED XD-45 and put two rounds into the gunman, saving the other patrons. It can't happen, you say? How many active shooters could be stopped by one citizen, armed and ready to defend himself and others. Active shooters usually kill or wound a bunch of people, then do themselves before the cops get there.
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I think you are the person they made the your better off without a gun cause it does you no good to have one it only makes you a target video. Problem with your scenario is the person is coming to kill not rob so everyone is a target not just the people with their guns out in the open. And since they all have there guns out in the open do you really think the person coming to kill them is going to say their guns are not loaded I have no reason to fear for my life.To me I am willing to bet that their guns being out in the open makes the person go else where to commit the crime.
 
santa said:
the state has already taken away my rights by telling me that my gun has to be unloaded and carried openly under threat of jail. my post was not about the pros and cons of open carry but about UNLOADED open carry and that in addition to acting to defeat the proposed unjust law ab144 forbidding unloaded open carry the people should at the same time also tell their reprentatives they want to the right restored to have the gun loaded. why not? i believe the character rooster cogburn said "an unloaded gun is useless". do i think that kalifornia should take away unloaded open carry? of course not and i am mad that they want to take away even that. but by requiring the gun to be unloaded they have created the lousy situation law abiding gun owners find themselves in. it is ultimately up to us the people to contact our representives to let them know how we feel as lukem sugests. in my opinion this also includes removing them from office at the ballot box. but we have to make ourselves aware on how out represatives feel about the 2nd amendment. unfortunately many people in kalifornia and other places never check on the voting records of those who represent them. my thought was while trying to block ab144 the requirement of the gun being unloaded should be adressed and changed. i am grateful to lukem and the many others who constantly look out for unjust laws such as ab144 and inform others including myself. indeed it was one reason i joined this site. i am informed and i vote.
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My fault santa, I did only read the first sentence you wrote and i just wrote off the response as a "me too" to wuzfuz's post.

Appropriate changes to my original post have been made.
 
no problem unfettered might. we are on the same page. mabye someday if your in eastern wa look me up. meantime lets send some polititians to the unemployment line and make sure they cant carry any guns like they demand of us. thanks lukem for the heads up and i have spread the word with friends of mine in kalifornia about ab144. great site
 
As sad as it is... I hope that they pass AB144. Before you flame me, think about all the good that can come from it (BTW… I UOC, and am very comfortable doing so. I go to the range regularly and drill on loading as well).

Under Heller & McDonald, we got the 2nd Amendment recognized as an individual right that is not limited to the home. If the idiots here in Komifornia can pass this bill and the 3rd term Governor signs it into law, we can then go back to SCOUS because they are violating our 2nd Amendment rights. One very plausible net result is that California could be forced into “shall issue” and “good cause” would have to be defined (if it survives the Constitutional Challenge). My understanding is that as long as open carry is legal, we can’t get SCOUS to take up the CCW challenge.
 
Carrying an unloaded sidearm in public (carrying=in holster or belt on your body) is dumb. An unloaded side arm is basically useless against an armed idiot trying to kill you. One of the reasons I don't travel to CA or live there.:pleasantry:
 
AB 144 will be heard 2/15, 2/22 or 3/1 in Public Safety Committee 9am room 127

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I set an action alert of what to do. It is important to get this notice of action to as many places as possible. Please participate.

I am the lobbyist who is handling this issue along with Gun Owners of CA and some of the Assemblymembers who will be assisting us. Always looking for help getting the word out.
 
if this has any referance to the topic but i find california to be too strict upon firearm laws.i, as a hunter, but under the age of 18 am challenged by authority whenever presented and in my opinion find it to be unconstitutionally immoral baring a handgun concealed or not in a public setting. the fear of weapons is derived from statistics and not actually wielding or having any knowledge of the firearm. a fear that people who carry guns kill rather the majority are people who either do not know how to use a gun or uses the gun irresponsibly. legally the states are slowly stripping us away our constitutional right to bare arms and though do understand some of the laws some do move to the extreme.
 
If you want to help STOP this bill from even passing the Public Safety Committee. Contact all members and tell them, "As soon as the Police & the Stated of California is legally responsible for the public safety, is the day I will go along with a ban on Open Carry." CA is broke and Portantino is writing these type of bills. Why not make a bill that create more jobs and less taxes. Isn't that what the public needs most of all.:fie:
 
1) inferno like heat
2) the inability to defend yourself
3) earthquakes

Do yourself a favor and move go somewhere you can actualy put bullets in your gun
 
Personally, I'd like to see it pass. Then there are full grounds for filing suit against the State for infringing on the Right to keep and bear arms. Now their excuse is you can always carry openly therefore there is no legal need for a shall issue concealed carry (lousy argument but valid to the many leftist judges in Kalifornia). So if they outlaw open carry (unloaded) then maybe our gun rights organizations can get busy and attack the state.

Last I heard unfortunately was it wasn't passing and would be carried over to next year.
 
In CA, open carry of a loaded firearm in public places was banned in 1967 by Governor Ronald Reagan.

What was left was the open carry of unloaded firearm in non-restricted areas and the open carry of a firearm in areas where you can legally discharge a firearm.

A few years ago, the CA UOC (unloaded open carry) movement started open carrying unloaded handguns in non-restricted areas as a way to protest CA's carry laws.

As a response, the CA anti-gun legislators passed a law to prevent that activity.

What Governor Jerry Brown signed into law, bans the unloaded open carry of handguns in public places.
You can still open carry unloaded long guns in non-restricted areas and open carry loaded firearms in areas where you can legally discharge a firearm.

In a recent court case, a judge ruled that CA "may issue" CCW system was legal because a non-prohibited person could open carry an unloaded handgun as an alternative to being granted a CA LTC permit.

Now that unloaded open carry has been banned, it removes that reasoning from preventing "shall issue" CCW reform in CA.
 
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