Broken tail light

[ozarkgunner]

I was pulled over a couple weeknights ago on my way home from work. I work second shift. I got pulled over just a couple miles from home. Police officer takes my DL and ins. Takes quite a while, computer must have been slow. The officer comes back and explains the situation about my broken tail light. I told him I slipped on the ice a short while back and hit a baricade, just hadn't had a chance to fix it. He says just get it fixed and starts to let me go. Just before he walks away he asks me if I am going to get my CCW permit renewed. I said yes, just waiting on an original of my birth certificate, state laws changed here. He says, "right on." and have a good nite.
As I was on my way home, and tired, I had completely forgotted about my carry piece in my EDC bag. He never asked if I had a weapon in the vehicle or anything. I know a few PD and Sherrifs officers in the area, and along with a few times being pulled over for speeding, never ticketed, none have ever shown a concern about my permit or weather or not I was carrying. Not sure if all of Missouri is like this or just the Springfield area, but LEO's in our area are pretty laid back about weapons, CCW's or not.

 

[barrygray0]

YOU MUST BE WELL KNOWN OR WELL LIKED ! ! ! i was always trained when pulled over the first thing you say to officer is "I AM LEGALLY LICENCED TO CARRY A FIRE ARM AND IT IS _______________" than let them decide what to do .........................................................

 

[VT Patriot]

Good on ya, wish all the LEO's were as sharp as this one. We have no paperwork here as we have 'constitutional carry', so I've found the best thing to do is to keep hands on the wheel, and inform the officer that I'm carrying and what should I do next. Most are respectful, and don't give any hassle, most say "thank you for letting me know". Minimizes the 'surprise factor'.

 

[Pitbull11]

I was one of the first to get my CCW in Christian county. I think Missouri now has the best, one of the most nationally reconinized CCW.

 

[IDMooseMan]

I haven't been "pulled over" in quite some time now. The last I was "speaking with" an Idaho LEO, I did as mentioned above:

Kept my hands on the wheel.
Spoke respectfully to the officer.
Made no quick, jerky movements.
Remained calm. (I'm actually surprised by people when they say they don't like talking to cops. Why is that? Cops are great and they have VERY interesting stories to tell.)
If they ask me for "license, registration, and proof of insurance" or whatever, BEFORE I move my hands, I calmly and clearly state, "I am legally carrying a concealed weapon and have my CCW in my wallet. My wallet is in my back, left pocket, and my weapon is on my right hip at approximately 4 o'clock."

After I make these statements, I then ask the officer, "Do I have your permission to move my hands and shift position to obtain my wallet?"

At this point, the officer generally looks amused, smiles, and says, "Go ahead" or something similar. Sometimes the officer laughs and says, "I've never heard it announced that way before. What's your carry-gun?" That leads to an entirely different conversation, but you get the idea.

You get what you give in any situation. Act and speak respectfully, and you'll receive the same. Act like a knucklehead and your night will end badly.

BTW, I am the son of a retired California Highway Patrolman and I was a CHP Cadet until my back gave out during training at the CHP Academy. Maybe my experiences with LEO are different, but that's we share things like this with the community.

 

[wolf_fire]

YOU MUST BE WELL KNOWN OR WELL LIKED ! ! ! i was always trained when pulled over the first thing you say to officer is "I AM LEGALLY LICENCED TO CARRY A FIRE ARM AND IT IS _______________" than let them decide what to do .........................................................

I was trained the same way until I had a routine traffic stop. I said something very similar to what you said and the cop looked at me and asked if I was planning on using it on him. I laughed and said "no" then he said, "then why did you mention it".

From that point on, unless I'm in a state that requires me to inform, I don't.

 

[apvbguy]

YOU MUST BE WELL KNOWN OR WELL LIKED ! ! ! i was always trained when pulled over the first thing you say to officer is "I AM LEGALLY LICENCED TO CARRY A FIRE ARM AND IT IS _______________" than let them decide what to do .........................................................

this has been discussed to death in other threads and I don't want to ignite any wars but it has to be said that many people do not share your views on this. The only time I would inform that I was carrying is if I was in a state the requires informing the officer. YMMV

 

[duke7595]

I was pulled over a couple weeknights ago on my way home from work. I work second shift. I got pulled over just a couple miles from home. Police officer takes my DL and ins. Takes quite a while, computer must have been slow. The officer comes back and explains the situation about my broken tail light. I told him I slipped on the ice a short while back and hit a baricade, just hadn't had a chance to fix it. He says just get it fixed and starts to let me go. Just before he walks away he asks me if I am going to get my CCW permit renewed. I said yes, just waiting on an original of my birth certificate, state laws changed here. He says, "right on." and have a good nite.
As I was on my way home, and tired, I had completely forgotted about my carry piece in my EDC bag. He never asked if I had a weapon in the vehicle or anything. I know a few PD and Sherrifs officers in the area, and along with a few times being pulled over for speeding, never ticketed, none have ever shown a concern about my permit or weather or not I was carrying. Not sure if all of Missouri is like this or just the Springfield area, but LEO's in our area are pretty laid back about weapons, CCW's or not.

All I will say is that you have been very lucky not receiving any tickets. But remember, don't let these incidents give you a false sense of security.
It's not a good idea to break the speed limit, and you should keep your vehicles operating lights in working order, and leaving a weapon in your vehicle, unattended
is never a good idea.
If you are stopped by the wrong guy things might not work out as they have in the past. Glad to hear you have respect for police officers, it can be a difficult
and dangerous job, and yes, cops like to be treated like human beings , and in return they usually will respond the same.

 

[gspa2000]

you are lucky here

Here in Ohio there is a sheriff (and ex-Marine) that when he knows you have a ccw, when he pulls you over he deliberately interrupts you so that you cant tell him you have your ccw and gun. And when you finally tell him he starts screeming in your face and threatening to kill you for NOT Telling him! I say it is deliberate on his part because, in Ohio when you have a ccw, and they run your vehicle lic plate, a red flag pops up and informs the officer about your ccw status. I know this sheriff does this because he was caught on dash cam doing this a ccw motorist. He even goes on to tell the motorist that he doesnt believe civilian should be allowed to own guns! SO this punk sheriff on the Akron-Canton sheriffs dept knew this guy had a ccw and was trying to goad him into a confrontation. Now while this guy is no longer on the A-C sheriff's dept, the Patrolman's union got him a job on another Ohio Sheriff's dept. This punk should never be allowed to have a badge ever, at all! And he is an embarrassment to the Marine Corps. What's really sad for the police and law enforcement is they dont get that WE the Lic CCW's, we are really their FIRST BEST BACKUP! If Sh** hits the fan and there back isnt there yet, but you or I am, that makes us there best BackUp! Period! And to be honest, since they put this jack ass back on the force somewhere her in Ohio, being there back up is now something I may think twice about. Maybe I'll just be a witness at the thug's murder trial, or maybe as the sh** goes down, I'll just turn my back and walk away. After all if I get involved and pull my firearm, and use it, I'll probably be arrested in the interim period til they decide weather to prosecute me or not.

I was pulled over a couple weeknights ago on my way home from work. I work second shift. I got pulled over just a couple miles from home. Police officer takes my DL and ins. Takes quite a while, computer must have been slow. The officer comes back and explains the situation about my broken tail light. I told him I slipped on the ice a short while back and hit a baricade, just hadn't had a chance to fix it. He says just get it fixed and starts to let me go. Just before he walks away he asks me if I am going to get my CCW permit renewed. I said yes, just waiting on an original of my birth certificate, state laws changed here. He says, "right on." and have a good nite.
As I was on my way home, and tired, I had completely forgotted about my carry piece in my EDC bag. He never asked if I had a weapon in the vehicle or anything. I know a few PD and Sherrifs officers in the area, and along with a few times being pulled over for speeding, never ticketed, none have ever shown a concern about my permit or weather or not I was carrying. Not sure if all of Missouri is like this or just the Springfield area, but LEO's in our area are pretty laid back about weapons, CCW's or not.

 

[Pitbull11]

this has been discussed to death in other threads and I don't want to ignite any wars but it has to be said that many people do not share your views on this. The only time I would inform that I was carrying is if I was in a state the requires informing the officer. YMMV

Agree!! Just because you have a CCW does not mean you are carrying concealed at that moment and if I am and they ask me to get out of the vehicle then maybe?

 

[apvbguy]

if I am and they ask me to get out of the vehicle then maybe?

the last time I actually informed was when I was driving a rental truck across country and in FLA while I was at an agricultural inspection station the inspector (law enforcement)actually demanded that he be allowed to view the contents of the "box". not wanting to get into a legal issue about an illegal search I got out of the driver's seat to go to the rear and open the thing up, and before I stretched to open the "box" I thought it would be a good idea to inform him just in case the gun became exposed.
While I had no obligation to inform I didn't need some kiddie cop getting flustered at the sight of my fiveSeven.
YMMV

 

[Pitbull11]

the last time I actually informed was when I was driving a rental truck across country and in FLA I was at an agricultural inspection station where the inspector (law enforcement)actually demanded that he be allowed to view the contents of the "box" not wanting to get into a legal issue about an illegal search so I got out of the driver's seat, and before I stretched to open the "box" I thought it would be a good idea to inform him just in case the gun became exposed.
While I had no obligation to inform I didn't need some kiddie cop getting flustered at the sight of my fiveSeven.
YMMV

Excellent! That is a perfect example where using common sense works.

 

[duke7595]

the last time I actually informed was when I was driving a rental truck across country and in FLA while I was at an agricultural inspection station the inspector (law enforcement)actually demanded that he be allowed to view the contents of the "box". not wanting to get into a legal issue about an illegal search I got out of the driver's seat to go to the rear and open the thing up, and before I stretched to open the "box" I thought it would be a good idea to inform him just in case the gun became exposed.
While I had no obligation to inform I didn't need some kiddie cop getting flustered at the sight of my fiveSeven.
YMMV

YOU WERE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO COMPLY: This guy violated your 4th amendment rights big time. He should have known better, and probably did. But when allowed to get away
with this sort of illegal search it only makes it harder for the next guy. But I know where your'e coming from, sometimes it's just not worth the hassle/

 

[jcreek]

YOU MUST BE WELL KNOWN OR WELL LIKED ! ! ! i was always trained when pulled over the first thing you say to officer is "I AM LEGALLY LICENCED TO CARRY A FIRE ARM AND IT IS _______________" than let them decide what to do .........................................................

Unlike some of the others, I don't mind starting debates. Why should inform the officer if I'm not required to by law? It's jut an invitation for him to confiscate the weapon for the remainder of the stop and mistreat it or even endanger me. I've seen a video where a cop took a revolver off a CCWer and then proceeded to wave it all over the place, including pointing it directly at the owner, trying to figure out how to unload it. He had never touched a revolver before. Eventually he had to give it back to the CCWer and have HIM UNLOAD IT. Now, if you feel threatened to point having to secure the weapon from the CCWer, why the hell would you hand him back a loaded weapon? Obviously it just made the cop feel macho to exert his authority over the CCWer and he never actually felt threatened. I have no desire to have to put up with that crap.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I was one of the first to get my CCW in Christian county. I think Missouri now has the best, one of the most nationally reconinized CCW.

Cool! Your Government Permission Slip to be ALLOWED to carry must look sooooo neat!

When I get pulled over and the officer asks me if I have any weapons on me, I always reply with "why? What do you need).
Ah, good times, good times for all!


(Sarcasm off!)

Sent from behind enemy lines.

 

[Firefighterchen]

YOU WERE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO COMPLY: This guy violated your 4th amendment rights big time. He should have known better, and probably did. But when allowed to get away
with this sort of illegal search it only makes it harder for the next guy. But I know where your'e coming from, sometimes it's just not worth the hassle/

I believe this is the reason so many of our Rights have died away. There should never be a time our Right's are not worth the hassle, ever. Saddening you know?

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I believe this is the reason so many of our Rights have died away. There should never be a time our Right's are not worth the hassle, ever. Saddening you know?

Damn straight! You wanna look in my car? Get a friggin warrant!
You wanna look in my home?
Gera friggin warrant!
That little piece of tin on your shirt don't buy you no free lunch with me.
Just because you wear that tin on your shirt doesn't earn you automatic respect from me either.
Respect has to be earned, never given freely.
Respect given freely, without being earned is called fear.


Sent from behind enemy lines.

 

[Pitbull11]

Cool! Your Government Permission Slip to be ALLOWED to carry must look sooooo neat!

When I get pulled over and the officer asks me if I have any weapons on me, I always reply with "why? What do you need).
Ah, good times, good times for all!


(Sarcasm off!)

Sent from behind enemy lines.

Very cool, just wondering what the cop says when you don't have one of the government permission slips that states you are allowed to drive a car? (Sarcasm on!)

Sent from America the beautiful Semper Fi

 

[BC1]

Similar experience. Pulled over on my way home from a board meeting. 10:30 on a Monday night. Stopped for a brake light. LEO asks if I have any guns, drugs or nukes in the car. Advised him I had a licensed, registered, loaded handgun on my right hip. He asked for my CCW permit, looked at it and tossed it back to me. Advised me to fix the light so someone doesn't rear-end me and left.
.
Hey wait, this is NYS. I'm supposed to be arrested right?

 

[BC1]

YOU MUST BE WELL KNOWN OR WELL LIKED ! ! ! i was always trained when pulled over the first thing you say to officer is "I AM LEGALLY LICENCED TO CARRY A FIRE ARM AND IT IS _______________" than let them decide what to do .........................................................

Don't notify unless required by law or if specifically asked. Never volunteer information as you might talk your way right into those handcuffs.