The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
'Highly Questionable' Method: Bra Searches by Lakeland Police Criticized by State Attorney.....
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Broken headlight? I'm going to search both your vehicle and your breasts!!
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gejoslin
Illegitimi non carborundu
As usual an overzealous cop overstepping his bounds and violating a citizens constitutional rights. Violates her 4th Amendment rights and the man with her rights. Gets 4 days paid vacation as while they investigate. His on backup considered his actions were wrong. It seems a little power is all it takes to turn some into little Fascists.
tricolordad
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Oh look, Lakeland florida police on another power trip. This time, they have added sexual assault to their job description. This is where I would open fire. Lakelandman, do you gamble? I can't wait till the not guilty verdict is handed down when somebody blows these assholes away and gets an all woman jury, just like Zimmerman.
Deserteagle
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Nowadays the best solution is to get a female cop to search a female suspect. If none are available, get witnesses before searching the female, although going hands on with a female always opens the door to lawsuits no matter if everything is done correctly. Other option is to have them pull their bra away from their shirt without having to go hands on with them. That method may sound weird but is far from illegitimate.
But of course the woman driving with no driver license is the victim here. Most criminals are actually victims these days.
But of course the woman driving with no driver license is the victim here. Most criminals are actually victims these days.
farsidefan1
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Broken headlight is probable cause to search for drugs? I don't think so. Making the lady bare her breasts to further search for drugs? Wow. In Utah the boyfriend would have shot the officer and the jury would have given him an award. To do that kind of search get a woman officer. No exceptions. Unless you have a drug sniffing dog available. This is just totally unbelievable. Maybe I'm old fashioned but men, even cops don't get away with that Crap out here. Not and keep their jobs (at least I hope that is the case).
Nightmare45
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Touch my wife's breast and you will be laying on the ground bleeding out.
Kalamity023
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When you read the story he did not touch her, she also had a suspended license. He had her raise her shirt, and as Deserteagle pointed out, shake her bra out. Was he overstepping his bounds and violating her constitutional rights, probably. She initially consented to a search but retracted consent during and he did not stop the search. I agree he was on a power trip and fishing for narcotics. Thing with fishing is you don't always get what you're looking for. This could have been bad had she been carrying in one of those "Flash Bang" bras, and shot him. This is a case where a citizen allowed an officer to trample her rights. I'm not trying to blame her but its an example of how the sheep will submit to authority. Anyone who understands their rights knows that. Will he be disciplined yes, but it will most likely be for leaving his audio equipment in the car, or failing to stop the search when consent no longer existed rather than a sexual assault.
Deanimator
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And she was probably dressed "slutty" too and had it coming, right?
dgifted
I Love My Rugers
Just guessing he probably thought "those can't be real" so figured she had to have something else up there. 
----As far as searching the borrowed car, how did she know her friends did not have a little something special hidden in the car. Since it was not her car and she told him as much, I don't blame her for telling him she did not give him permission to search the car. It was apparent from the article that he was so "authoritarian" that he made her do what she did not want. The fact she had a suspended or expired DL would have already made her feel vulnerable before the LE acted like Rambo. Just ny .02.
----As far as searching the borrowed car, how did she know her friends did not have a little something special hidden in the car. Since it was not her car and she told him as much, I don't blame her for telling him she did not give him permission to search the car. It was apparent from the article that he was so "authoritarian" that he made her do what she did not want. The fact she had a suspended or expired DL would have already made her feel vulnerable before the LE acted like Rambo. Just ny .02.
Deanimator
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I wouldn't care if I just drove a car straight off the assembly line at the Lordstown Chrysler plant. I would NEVER consent to a police search under ANY circumstances.
BC1
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In all fairness to the cop, he did need to know if her headlights were "on" :lol:
Riverkilt
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Tangent...sort of. Might relate to the original stop. About 20 years ago I was doing DUI treatment groups in one of Arizona's DUI prisons. To start each new group of guys I'd go around the group and ask each person why the cops pulled them over. Many reasons of course but the most common was a bad light. Headlight, taillight, brake light, even bad license plate lights. Of course the inmates thought it was pretty chicken of the cops to pull them over for a little thing like that. Not probable cause.
My little brother was a motor cop at the time and so I asked him why cops were so chicken about bad running lights. He cracked up laughing...couldn't stop laughing for a long time. When he could speak again he said because cops know that alcoholics and drug addicts are too lazy to check their running lights and too cheap to buy new ones even if they know they have a bad light. So to a cop - a car with a bad light has a high probability of being driven by a drunk or an addict.
Just sayin'
My little brother was a motor cop at the time and so I asked him why cops were so chicken about bad running lights. He cracked up laughing...couldn't stop laughing for a long time. When he could speak again he said because cops know that alcoholics and drug addicts are too lazy to check their running lights and too cheap to buy new ones even if they know they have a bad light. So to a cop - a car with a bad light has a high probability of being driven by a drunk or an addict.
Just sayin'
fstroupe
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No doubt he believes that. I really wonder if he would be honest and tell how many times he stopped someone with a bad light who was not otherwise offending compared to the times that they were.
The truth is that most people don't have a clue if they have a light out, stoner, drunk, or not.
jcreek
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Unless its a headlight, which you usually notice after a while, how would you know? I don't know anybody that does a walk around of their car everyday to check their lights..
Riverkilt
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Don't know little brother's mindset. Know he's one of the mellowest human's I ever met. Didn't even like being called a cop. "I'm not a cop, I'm a motor" he'd say. Anyhow, retired now - to Maui. That experience did get me to checking my running lights on a regular basis. Easiest at night in front of a store plate glass window from an empty parking lot.
Never met anyone who couldn't spot an impaired driver in a split second. One wobble of the wheel and we're on guard. Ain't a cop thing as much as a driver thing.
Never met anyone who couldn't spot an impaired driver in a split second. One wobble of the wheel and we're on guard. Ain't a cop thing as much as a driver thing.
whodat2710
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There is also a dashcam video of this going around, and he did not "bare" her breasts or touch her. What he did was a reasonable method for a man to perform a serach on a woman if there is no female officer available.
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The problem is that it is a search, and probable cause must be substantiated. I don't know the area, but if it was a known "crack neighborhood" and the people were behaving suspiciously and there was a good chance they had purchased drugs then MAYBE! For a regular traffic stop for a light being out it is purely a fishing expedition and completely unconstitutional. Even if a kilo of meth had tumbled out of her bra a good lawyer would have been able to get it tossed out.
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It would be exactly the same if it was a man that had a light out, and the cop had him get out and frisked him. The method is not what should be in question, it is the search itself.
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The problem is that it is a search, and probable cause must be substantiated. I don't know the area, but if it was a known "crack neighborhood" and the people were behaving suspiciously and there was a good chance they had purchased drugs then MAYBE! For a regular traffic stop for a light being out it is purely a fishing expedition and completely unconstitutional. Even if a kilo of meth had tumbled out of her bra a good lawyer would have been able to get it tossed out.
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It would be exactly the same if it was a man that had a light out, and the cop had him get out and frisked him. The method is not what should be in question, it is the search itself.
I do, same as my motorcycle. Lights & tires every day. Only takes a couple minutes to check the lights. Headlights are easy as stated. Brake lights easy to see in the mirror off the wall or garage door behind. Same with turn signals.
Always amazes me to hear people say they don't check their vehicles. You just wait for the idiot lights to tell you it's too late?
But on subject, agree cop went to far, especially when she stated to end it.
MasterGadgets
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The consent to search was removed before he started the search.
Quote from the article "Brugger then relented, wanting to go home. Then she changed her mind before Fetz could start the search. But he proceeded anyway, searching the vehicle for 10 minutes, even as she shouted for him to stop........Officer Jeremy Williams, who arrived at the scene as backup, told the investigator he and Fetz heard Brugger withdraw her consent before Fetz searched the car."
Rogue cops!
The cop in question should be fired, at a minimum. I could care less about what he thinks he's doing, or about 'company policy'; whether he touched them or not, if he attempted anything like that with my wife or granddaughters, and was allowed to keep 'protecting and serving', he's going to have to face me one day.
That's far beyond their duty.
That's far beyond their duty.
