Breaking: Zimmerman's Bond Revoked!

[Keykutter]

Though you are probably correct about the level of support, do you really believe that George is running the show? Having never been in a situation like that, we can't say whose advice we might mistakenly listen to while under that degree of duress. Not to get technical, but I'm not sure he actually lied to anyone, are you?

Well, who know's. We are all just commenting on the little we hear, what 'They' want us to hear

I surely can't believe someone told him to keep his second Passport hidden, especially someone he should have taken advice from. Taking bad advice from someone you should not is still your own fault. Now, if his lawyer told him to do that, which I'd put money on that he did not, that would be different and I would have a little more compassion.

KK

 

[buckey01]

The judge seems to be trying to make Zimmerman look bad and help an incompetent prosecutor. She overcharged on this case and will not likely be able to prove second degree murder. It appears she was trying to appease those trying to raise racial tensions. Even Lawrence Tribe, liberal Harvard professor and one of Obama's teachers, said that the charges were racially motivated and should have been no more than manslaughter. A change in venue is most certainty justified in this case. Unless, the motive for the trial is to appease black trouble makers and get the " stand your ground " law repealed and discredited.

 

[Timiche]

oops

Turns out he and his wife lied about their finances at the bond hearing.....not smart

 

[festus]

It is not Zimmerman's money. It is the legal defense fund. A trust of sorts to pay his legal bills. He can't touch it until after he is exonerated in the courts...So, no not a lie just a failure of the powers that be to understand the situation.

 

[BluesStringer]

I'm in the middle of recovering my laptop from a malware attack that I got nailed with yesterday, and don't have time to watch/listen to the whole 2:15 hrs. of the bond hearing, but if anyone wants to know if the account was mentioned, and to what extent it was detailed if it was, here's a link from a news station that still has it hosted on their site:

George Zimmerman bond hearing :: WRAL.com

Blues

 

[NavyLCDR]

It is not Zimmerman's money. It is the legal defense fund. A trust of sorts to pay his legal bills. He can't touch it until after he is exonerated in the courts...So, no not a lie just a failure of the powers that be to understand the situation.

or a failure on the defendant's part to adequately explain the situation. Still, how about the 2nd passport?

 

[Double Ought]

...I surely can't believe someone told him to keep his second Passport hidden, especially someone he should have taken advice from. Taking bad advice from someone you should not is still your own fault. Now, if his lawyer told him to do that, which I'd put money on that he did not, that would be different and I would have a little more compassion...

At the hearing on Friday, his lawyer described it as a lost and found situation. Years ago George thought he lost his passport and applied for a new one. Somewhere along the way, the lost passport was found. Amidst all the chaos, one was turned in at the bond hearing and, mistakenly, the other was not. When the mistake was realized, the extra passport was turned over to George's lawyer. The lawyer lost it in a stack of papers for the past month, and notified the prosecution when it was found. The judge didn't seem particularly concerned about it.

Like you said, "who knows" what the truth is behind much of this stuff. But, come on, where exactly is George going to go? The whole country, world even, knows his face and name. What good is his passport going to do him?

What I do know is his lawyer threw him under the bus again today at a press conference. It seems he either didn't spend enough time with George while he was in jail the first time explaining the ramifications of failing to fully, completely, and openly disclose all of the web site proceeds at his bond hearing, or he advised this path that has landed George back in jail. Now, at a press conference today, he says something along the lines of: well, it's gonna be up to George to rehabilitate his own character. Ahhhh!! What kind of defense is this? Seems more like George has the prosecutor working for him.

 

[NavyLCDR]

At the hearing on Friday, his lawyer described it as a lost and found situation. Years ago George thought he lost his passport and applied for a new one. Somewhere along the way, the lost passport was found. Amidst all the chaos, one was turned in at the bond hearing and, mistakenly, the other was not. When the mistake was realized, the extra passport was turned over to George's lawyer. The lawyer lost it in a stack of papers for the past month, and notified the prosecution when it was found. The judge didn't seem particularly concerned about it.

Ummm, yeah. I have this bridge in my back yard, if anyone is interested in buying it.....

 

[S&W645]

Boats go to and from the Bahamas all the time. It wouldn't be that hard to get out of the country. Except I believe he has to wear a tracking device 24/7.

 

[Keykutter]

Boats go to and from the Bahamas all the time. It wouldn't be that hard to get out of the country. Except I believe he has to wear a tracking device 24/7.

How far could you get, after cutting your tracking device off, before someone came looking for you? I'll bet it's far enough away to lose the authorities.

If your gonna flee, why worry about what will happen after you cut your device off?

KK

 

[Double Ought]

Boats go to and from the Bahamas all the time. It wouldn't be that hard to get out of the country. Except I believe he has to wear a tracking device 24/7.

The tracking device is definitely problematic for him if he wants to flee, but beyond that most EVERYBODY knows his face and/or name. Anywhere that he could go that would require a passport, at least one person is likely to recognize his face or name and alert the authorities.

From the web site of a company that offers ferry service to the Bahamas:

Check- in

...Please note that due to high security measures you may encounter some traffic delays upon entering the port...Passengers should allow for at least 1 hour *(a one-hour) customs clearance at Port Everglades.

Even if he somehow managed to make it to the Bahamas without being noticed by fellow passengers, ferry company employees, or U.S. Customs; he'd still have to check-in with a customs officer there too. And contrary to popular belief, they will extradite criminals to the United States.

Now if you're talking about smuggling him out of the country on a private boat or something like that... Well, that's a whole other ball of wax, but I can't imagine his passport is going to do him much good in such a situation. Who exactly would he be showing it to?

 

[Tucker's Mom]

The tracking device is definitely problematic for him if he wants to flee, but beyond that most EVERYBODY knows his face and/or name. Anywhere that he could go that would require a passport, at least one person is likely to recognize his face or name and alert the authorities.

From the web site of a company that offers ferry service to the Bahamas:


Even if he somehow managed to make it to the Bahamas without being noticed by fellow passengers, ferry company employees, or U.S. Customs; he'd still have to check-in with a customs officer there too. And contrary to popular belief, they will extradite criminals to the United States.

Now if you're talking about smuggling him out of the country on a private boat or something like that... Well, that's a whole other ball of wax, but I can't imagine his passport is going to do him much good in such a situation. Who exactly would he be showing it to?

Even in a private plane when we go to the Bahamas we still have to pass through a special entrance area and show our passports....quicker than going through the commercial plane passengers area.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Even if he somehow managed to make it to the Bahamas without being noticed by fellow passengers, ferry company employees, or U.S. Customs; he'd still have to check-in with a customs officer there too. And contrary to popular belief, they will extradite criminals to the United States.

Now if you're talking about smuggling him out of the country on a private boat or something like that... Well, that's a whole other ball of wax, but I can't imagine his passport is going to do him much good in such a situation. Who exactly would he be showing it to?

Not every customs official in every country throughout the world knows about every criminal that might be fleeing from justice. It would be very easy for George Zimmerman to enter a foreign country using his own passport with his own name and photo on it. There are billions of people left in this world who have never heard mention of the name George Zimmerman, probably millions of people in the U.S.

 

[BC1]

It is not Zimmerman's money. It is the legal defense fund. A trust of sorts to pay his legal bills. He can't touch it until after he is exonerated in the courts...So, no not a lie just a failure of the powers that be to understand the situation.

Well, hold on a minute. Who's tax ID is on the account to where the money was deposited? That's who owns the money. Unless there has been a company, trust or foundation of sorts specifically opened to manage his case (with a unique tax ID) then the money likely belongs to Z or a family member. If it's a family member other than his wife it would seem out of reach. If the donations are to an individual account then the donations are also taxable under the IRS code.

 

[Double Ought]

Not every customs official in every country throughout the world knows about every criminal that might be fleeing from justice. It would be very easy for George Zimmerman to enter a foreign country using his own passport with his own name and photo on it. There are billions of people left in this world who have never heard mention of the name George Zimmerman, probably millions of people in the U.S.

Oh, come on now, you're just being argumentative. You do know he's been living in hiding because he's so widely recognized and in fear for his life, right? I wasn't talking about every customs official or every criminal. We're talking about the guy who's been plastered all over the TV for the last 3 months. It only takes him coming in contact with one person (not every) who recognizes him or his name and calls the police.

As soon as he cut the tracking device, the police would be all over him considering the pressure they're under. The media would be moments behind them with his face all over TV. Even if he did manage to evade that and all of the other people I previously mentioned on his public ferry ride to the Bahamas, he'd have to be one lucky guy to bump in to a customs official in that tiny country right next door to Florida who hasn't heard of him. They tend to work in groups too, so if one officer didn't recognize him another might. George doesn't seem very lucky to me, you?

Even still, the second that device was cut there would be a fugitive alert placed on his passport if there isn't one on it already. As soon as his passport was run through the computer, he'd be under arrest. As a rational person, I would think you could at least give me that it's highly unlikely that George is leaving the country using his own passport any time soon.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Oh, come on now, you're just being argumentative. You do know he's been living in hiding because he's so widely recognized and in fear for his life, right? I wasn't talking about every customs official or every criminal. We're talking about the guy who's been plastered all over the TV for the last 3 months. It only takes him coming in contact with one person (not every) who recognizes him or his name and calls the police.

As soon as he cut the tracking device, the police would be all over him considering the pressure they're under. The media would be moments behind them with his face all over TV. Even if he did manage to evade that and all of the other people I previously mentioned on his public ferry ride to the Bahamas, he'd have to be one lucky guy to bump in to a customs official in that tiny country right next door to Florida who hasn't heard of him. They tend to work in groups too, so if one officer didn't recognize him another might. George doesn't seem very lucky to me, you?

Even still, the second that device was cut there would be a fugitive alert placed on his passport if there isn't one on it already. As soon as his passport was run through the computer, he'd be under arrest. As a rational person, I would think you could at least give me that it's highly unlikely that George is leaving the country using his own passport any time soon.

You are sadly misguided if you think the government can keep 100% track of anybody that wants to escape badly enough. And it's not like Zimmerman is publice enemy #1. He's one guy wanted for 2nd degree murder. Big deal.

 

[Double Ought]

You are sadly misguided if you think the government can keep 100% track of anybody that wants to escape badly enough. And it's not like Zimmerman is publice enemy #1. He's one guy wanted for 2nd degree murder. Big deal.

Again, I'm not talking about anybody. I'm talking about the guy whose actions have been the genesis for nationwide protests. I'm also not talking escape at any cost. I'm talking about the usefulness of his passport to him in that endeavour. You think murder isn't a big deal, try to get in to Canada with a misdeameanor DUI on your record years in your past. They check, and they'll send you packin'.

Here's a story about that Canadian freak wanted for murder, captured in GERMANY today. He took off before he was wearing a GPS tracker or was even a wanted or well-known person. There was also much less publicity surrounding his case, maybe a couple of mentions on CNN, versus months of coverage of George. Here's what the German police said:

...someone at the cafe recognized Magnotta and called authorities, who took him into custody....

A Canadian, in Germany. It's a small world.

Anyway, I think I've beat this dead horse enough. Take care.

 

[BluesStringer]

He's one guy wanted for 2nd degree murder.....

....Who has already turned himself in, surrendered his second passport, and is asking for a hearing to try to explain how this all (admittedly stupidly) came about.

This fugitive from justice argument was made moot yesterday afternoon when he turned himself in.

I think the guy has proven himself to be a bumbling idiot in more than one regard. That doesn't necessarily make any of his actions on the night Trayvon Martin was killed illegal. Even bumbling idiots have the right of self-defense. Whether he's guilty or not of contempt of court or perjury concerning the passport and the PayPal account, that doesn't change what the prosecutor has to prove as far as 2nd degree murder goes, and if it gets to a jury, it shouldn't be part of his trial on those charges. It might be valid justification to deny him bail at this point, but that's between him and the judge. It has nothing to do with the facts of the night in question, and the jury should not be exposed to it. Which just means, as far as I'm concerned, that the jury pool is even further polluted now that his bail revocation has been plastered on the TV for three or four days, and shows no signs of dwindling at this point.

Blues

 

[Shoobee]

You are sadly misguided if you think the government can keep 100% track of anybody that wants to escape badly enough. And it's not like Zimmerman is publice enemy #1. He's one guy wanted for 2nd degree murder. Big deal.

Actually right now by his own bumbling default Zimmerman probably is Public Enemy #1, due to the imminent rioting and property damage and further deaths that may result from however this trial ends. The networks get that, so this is why they are focusing their coverage on him. Any news about Z is riviting, not by coincidence.

 

[Bttbbob]

He walks at the immunity hearing if the judge has any balls at all. We talked about this on my radio talk show this week........He is not indicted for lying, he is indicted for second degree murder. And quite honestly there is no case. He is not being tried for stupidity, cause it just ain't against the law. I had Jon Gutmacher, attorny and auther, former prosecutor who is the authority on gun laws in Florida on the show last night. He said, hands down he would rather have the defenses job than the prosecutors.