Breaking: Zimmerman's Bond Revoked!

[BluesStringer]

Breaking: Zimmerman's Bond Revoked.....

Just heard a report on Fox News during Megyn Kelly's show within the last couple of minutes. No link yet. Here we go again.....

Blues

 

[Glock Fan]

Here's a link: Link Removed

 

[Shoobee]

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... due to his lying in court about his financial resources apparently.

It is really bad luck to lie to a judge.

Especially after you just shot a kid who was unarmed.

Always best not to press your luck.

Looks like the judge is really peeved now.

Just like about half the nation is too.

 

[STLRampage]

I can't believe they are revoking bail almost as much as I can't believe the charges haven't been dropped yet.

 

[Domineaux]

Bail should not be set in consideration for how much money you have anyways. This is a continuation of the witch hunt the race baiters and media have pushed and nothing else.

 

[Bighouse Doc]

The Romans had a great way to deal with prosecutors who lost their cases.

A losing prosecutor could have a large "K" branded on their forehead.

This stood for "Kalumniator" which means false accuser!

-Doc

 

[Firefighterchen]

Especially after you just shot a kid who was unarmed....

Just like about half the nation is too.

" Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’"

Just saying...from another recent story in Florida.

Half the nation? Lol, If 2 million people side with TM, that would put them at 0.006% of the nation. The majority of people I have spoken with, and have heard talking, in the great NW (Oregon/Washington) are waiting for the trial, but hold Zimmerman on the side of innocence. A very small percentage of people are in an uproar, or side with Martin. It just so happens, the loudest tantrum throwers for TM make the news.

 

[SR40c]

Haven't researched too much of this latest episode of "Working on the Railroad" but...

From what I understand, the judge is allegedly pissed about nondisclosure of the 200K Zimmerman had in a Paypal account. That money is supposedly from public donation for his defense fund. As far as I am concerned, that money belongs to his legal team, not Zimmerman personally. If this is the case, the judge is wrong. We already have government telling us how to spend our money, now what? Judges are going to tell us how we are to spend money that was donated for a specific purpose for something other than that specific purpose?

Something isn't right with this. That account was common knowledge before the bail hearing. Sounds to me like someone got to this judge. This stunt right here should be grounds for change of venue. This is just another step in a "railroad job". I can hear it now... "Mr Zimmerman, since you lied to the judge in your bail hearing, you must be lying about everything."

 

[BluesStringer]

Haven't researched too much of this latest episode of "Working on the Railroad" but...

From what I understand, the judge is allegedly pissed about nondisclosure of the 200K Zimmerman had in a Paypal account. That money is supposedly from public donation for his defense fund. As far as I am concerned, that money belongs to his legal team, not Zimmerman personally. If this is the case, the judge is wrong. We already have government telling us how to spend our money, now what? Judges are going to tell us how we are to spend money that was donated for a specific purpose for something other than that specific purpose?

Something isn't right with this. That account was common knowledge before the bail hearing. Sounds to me like someone got to this judge. This stunt right here should be grounds for change of venue. This is just another step in a "railroad job". I can hear it now... "Mr Zimmerman, since you lied to the judge in your bail hearing, you must be lying about everything."

As I understand it, Zimmerman's lawyer reported the amount of the account very shortly after the bail hearing out of an abundance of caution that it wouldn't be seen as something they purposely withheld. The account was the subject of several questions posed to Zimmerman's family members during the bail hearing. Whether it was a tactic to avoid being able to knowledgeably comment on the amount or not, they all said they didn't know what, if any, amount was in the account at the time, but you're right, the existence of the account was never in question.

It's not that the judge decided to have Zimmerman come back to explain himself about that account and the 2nd passport that bugs me, it's the language he used in making the order that concerns me. He said that Zimmerman "lied" about it. That's a crime if true. A defendant has the right to face his accuser in court. If the accuser is also his judge who has already made that legal conclusion, yep, something is terribly wrong.

Even without this new wrinkle, I think valid triggers for a change of venue is all over this case. The problem is, change to where? This guy has no chance of getting a "fair" trial anywhere in this country at this point, so polluted is the jury pool in the whole nation. I'm not positive, but I don't think there's any legal mechanism for it to be taken out of FL anyway, without it becoming a federal case, and that's the last thing that would help Zimmerman get a fair trial with Holder or any of his lackeys at the helm of the prosecution.

"Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."

Blues

 

[NavyLCDR]

Bail should not be set in consideration for how much money you have anyways. This is a continuation of the witch hunt the race baiters and media have pushed and nothing else.

Really?!? Well, let's see. Let's say I have $2 million in the bank. And let's say that Joe Schmoe has $10 in the bank. We are both facing murder charges. So, you REALLY, REALLY think our bail should be set equally? Let's say bail is set at $500,000, the purpose of which is to guarantee that the defendant will return to court. I pay my $500,000 in cash to the court and head to Brazil. Does Joe Schmoe have that opportunity?

Now, let's say Joe Schmoe, in consideration of his $10 in the bank, bail is set at $200,000. That allows Joe Schmoe to hire a bail bondsman and raise bail, with the bondsman knowing there isn't much chance of Joe Schmoe skipping bail. Judge sets my bail at $2,200,000.00. Bondsman makes me pay him $2 million, he covers the rest of the $200,000, knowing there isn't much chance of me skipping bail now.

Bail is not about the charges - it's about ensuring the person will return for their court trial, and that MUST be based on the assets of the defendant.

Zimmerman messed up, AGAIN, by him AND his wife lying to the Court. He is incredibly stupid, if nothing else.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I certainly won't donate a dime to his defense when he is trying really, really hard to lose his own case.

 

[dusterdude]

Innocent or not,he's screwed.this case has rodney king written all over it

 

[Domineaux]

Well since Seminole County, Florida has a published bail schedule listing a charge of Second Degree Murder at $15,000 I think the Judge already used more than enough "discretion" in charging $150,000 for his bail:

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Second Degree Murder {F.S. 777.04 & 782.04** $15,000

 

[Double Ought]

...Something isn't right with this. That account was common knowledge before the bail hearing....

As I understand it, Zimmerman's lawyer reported the amount of the account very shortly after the bail hearing out of an abundance of caution that it wouldn't be seen as something they purposely withheld. The account was the subject of several questions posed to Zimmerman's family members during the bail hearing. Whether it was a tactic to avoid being able to knowledgeably comment on the amount or not, they all said they didn't know what, if any, amount was in the account at the time, but you're right, the existence of the account was never in question....

...Even without this new wrinkle, I think valid triggers for a change of venue is all over this case. The problem is, change to where? This guy has no chance of getting a "fair" trial anywhere in this country at this point, so polluted is the jury pool in the whole nation....

Speaking of oddities, did anyone else notice Zimmerman's lawyer contradicted himself in the hearing on Friday? If memory serves me, at the April 27th hearing during which O'Mara reported the amount of money raised, he said that he didn't find out about the money until AFTER George was released from jail. At the Friday hearing, he said that he advised the family to use the web site proceeds to get George OUT of jail. Well, which one is it? He can't have it both ways.

Now I can't seem to find full transcripts of the hearings anywhere on the web to back me up, but that's how I recall it. In any event, George's lawyer should have known that the amount of money raised would be relevant at the bond hearing. Since the fundraising effort was public knowledge I can't see how he can play the "I didn't know" game, unless he's incompetent. He had that whole time that George sat in jail to demand documentation of the account balance from the family.

It seems the prosecutor and the judge could have demanded documentation too if they truly wanted to know the account balance at the bond hearing, and weren't just interested in playing "gotcha" on down the road. They could have just called the brother to the stand that day and likely got the answer they now seem so bent out of shape about not receiving.

Whatever happened it seems like a 28 year old junior college student, who is facing unheard of scrutiny which he has likely never experienced before, is going to bear the brunt of it for this clever manuevering by these legal beagles. At a minimum, it seems the first change George needs to make is his legal team. His current one has put forth almost no defense on his behalf, and seems to be giving him very bad advice.

 

[Tucker's Mom]

....At a minimum, it seems the first change George needs to make is his legal team. His current one has put forth almost no defense on his behalf, and seems to be giving him very bad advice.

That's what I said to my husband as soon as I heard he changed his defense team. Maybe you get what you are paying for in this case...

 

[Keykutter]

I think GZ lost a lot of support now that he has lied. It should have been full disclosure with maybe a statement of 'That Paypal fund is for my legal team, not me', and let the chips fall where they may.

He may have been able to put the whole amount forward as bail and not even have to have a bond. When he appears, he gets it all back anyway.

And lying about the 2nd Passport? That was the stupidest move he could have made.

KK

 

[Nightmare45]

Wonder if Martins family is donating money earned on his name and t-shirts to charity in the name of their son????????

 

[Double Ought]

I think GZ lost a lot of support now that he has lied. It should have been full disclosure with maybe a statement of 'That Paypal fund is for my legal team, not me', and let the chips fall where they may.

He may have been able to put the whole amount forward as bail and not even have to have a bond. When he appears, he gets it all back anyway.

And lying about the 2nd Passport? That was the stupidest move he could have made.

KK

Though you are probably correct about the level of support, do you really believe that George is running the show? Having never been in a situation like that, we can't say whose advice we might mistakenly listen to while under that degree of duress. Not to get technical, but I'm not sure he actually lied to anyone, are you?

 

[NavyLCDR]

it seems the first change George needs to make is his legal team. His current one has put forth almost no defense on his behalf, and seems to be giving him very bad advice.

Zimmerman hasn't listened to his lawyer's advice in the past:
Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman's Attorneys Quit, Say Client 'Disappeared'

Zimmerman is an all around 100% tool.

Even without this new wrinkle, I think valid triggers for a change of venue is all over this case. The problem is, change to where? This guy has no chance of getting a "fair" trial anywhere in this country at this point, so polluted is the jury pool in the whole nation.

Blues

I am sure there are probably 100's of thousands of people who just don't care enough about this to really follow it or have an opinion. However, it seems like those who have formed opinions are absolutely 100% convinced he is guilty or absolutely 100% convinced he is innocent.

Well since Seminole County, Florida has a published bail schedule listing a charge of Second Degree Murder at $15,000 I think the Judge already used more than enough "discretion" in charging $150,000 for his bail:

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Second Degree Murder {F.S. 777.04 & 782.04** $15,000

Did you even read what you posted? Let me point out a few flaws in your assumption that bail should be limited to $15,000. From the document that you posted:

"Bail is an essential part of the criminal justice system, and the following bail schedule is
established so that law enforcement officers and booking officers can set bond on arrests prior to first
appearance. This schedule is not binding upon first appearance judges, who have the responsibility to
review arrests at first appearance and set conditions of release pursuant to Rule 3.131."

The $15,000 bail amount only applies to police and booking officers prior to first appearance before the judge. The judge was completely 100% within his authority to assign $150,000 bail:

"The "first appearance judge" is any judge who presides over daily first
appearances. Except as provided in paragraph (c) below, the first appearance
judge may decrease or increase the amount of bail or set other
conditions of release as authorized by the Rules of
Criminal Procedure, except bail set upon a capias, from the date of initial first
appearance and during any first appearance hearings thereafter until the
scheduled arraignment date."

 

[Domineaux]

The $15,000 bail amount only applies to police and booking officers prior to first appearance before the judge. The judge was completely 100% within his authority to assign $150,000 bail:

Yes I did read that and understand that the bond judge had the right to use discretion in setting the bond amount. My point was that setting the bond amount to 10x the listed amount in the bail schedule already shows that he wasn't going light on the bond amount so revoking it because the prosecution makes a big deal out of money that was donated for his defense does not seem fair and impartial.