BOO ARmalite!

blarg

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Well, a couple of days ago I was happy to post MidwayUSA's response to all the ban fever going around...but for every Midway, there's an Armalite.

Apparently, they have released a convoluted and misleading statement which attempts to sound like they're opposed to these bans, but ultimately says that they will continue to sell their products to law enforcement in states where civilians are not allowed to own their products. The owner feels that as a former police officer, he is somehow absolved of the hypocracy he's enaging in.

Of course ARmalite is a private company and they have the right to conduct business any way they choose, but as a consumer, we should all be aware of their agenda - in this case make a quick buck at the cost of compromising the principles that are eroding the very Constitutional right that allows them to do business.

the letter basically says "they will not sell their product in states where it is restricted by law....except to those that are exempt from that law" so...yeah - way to take a stand.

feel free to post this on other gun forums.

I know I won't be buying their products....

the following is copied from another forum:


Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.

I think a bit of clarification is in order.

The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.

My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?

ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:

1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.

2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.

We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.

3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.

Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.

In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.

As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.

But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.

Respectfully,

Mark Westrom
President,
ArmaLite Inc.

AR10T.com :: Topic: For Clarification Armalite President Responds (1/1)
 
What more do you want? Are you suggesting they shouldn't sell to a to an individual that happens to be a LEO? Maybe I'm reading the response wrong, but I see it as him saying they're not selling to police forces of those subject areas.
 
Good for Armalite. They clearly have the common sense to realize if they stop selling their products because of politics, they will go out of business.

Armalite is a company. Companies need to sell products or services to stay in business.
 
What more do you want? Are you suggesting they shouldn't sell to a to an individual that happens to be a LEO? Maybe I'm reading the response wrong, but I see it as him saying they're not selling to police forces of those subject areas.

what ARmalite is saying is that they will continue to sell "banned" products to law enforcement and pretty much anyone exempt from the law while regular citizens cannot access the same products. So...while the rest of us can't get 30 round mags in NY, cops, politicians, and anyone with money and political connections can. This is EXACTLY what the bans are trying to establish - a political class that's better-armed than its citizens.

Midway on the other hand has said that they will not sell "banned" products (products that the average citizen doesn't have access to) to ANYONE on that state, police, God, or otherwise. THIS is the approach of a pro 2A company. If you're going to keep your citizens from having these things, then you can't have them either.

Besides, now that they have their ban in place the police can rest easy knowing that criminals won't load more than 7 rounds in their "magazine clips" since it's not illegal for them to do it, and these restrictions WORK, right?

The only way to ever get these bans rolled back is to make sure those that are enforcing them have to live under the same rules. Cops and politicians aren't above the law. ARmalite doesn't seem to care - they just want to sell their product to anyone with a buck in their hand. Hey, it's a free country, and they're allowed - but just keep that in mind when you purchase from them.

although they said they won't sell to police departments, they WILL sell to police officers....who are generally reimbursed for their on-duty gun purchases - so in effect it's setting up a straw purchase.

They may not sell to organizations of jackbooted forces, but they'll sell to jackbooted members of that force. A distinction without a difference.
 
Good for Armalite. They clearly have the common sense to realize if they stop selling their products because of politics, they will go out of business.

Armalite is a company. Companies need to sell products or services to stay in business.

You're right, I'm sure that the inequalities they're supporting won't destroy the 2A until LONG after the owners are gone, and in the mean time.....cha-ching!
 
If a company just stops selling their products, the Obama anti-firearm bunch wins.

no....if the company continues selling to those keeping the rest of us from having their product, Obama wins. His goal isn't to get rid of ALL guns, just the ones we have. One of the ways we can fight him is to deny HIS side the things they would deny us.
 
When are you guys gonna realize that principals will never get in the way of profits. No one cares if a prog-gun group boycotts their business. Principals don't feed the bulldog.
 
I'm reading this thread and wondering and I smell something FISHY. It just doesn't sound right!!!!! If I was a LEO I definetly wouldn't see a problem. I gues it's whose back your scratching....I guess the Constitution should say We the People.......... The Congress, Selected Officials, Law Inforcement please see PART B.........
 
what ARmalite is saying is that they will continue to sell "banned" products to law enforcement and pretty much anyone exempt from the law while regular citizens cannot access the same products. So...while the rest of us can't get 30 round mags in NY, cops, politicians, and anyone with money and political connections can. This is EXACTLY what the bans are trying to establish - a political class that's better-armed than its citizens.

Midway on the other hand has said that they will not sell "banned" products (products that the average citizen doesn't have access to) to ANYONE on that state, police, God, or otherwise. THIS is the approach of a pro 2A company. If you're going to keep your citizens from having these things, then you can't have them either.
Besides, now that they have their ban in place the police can rest easy knowing that criminals won't load more than 7 rounds in their "magazine clips" since it's not illegal for them to do it, and these restrictions WORK, right?

The only way to ever get these bans rolled back is to make sure those that are enforcing them have to live under the same rules. Cops and politicians aren't above the law. ARmalite doesn't seem to care - they just want to sell their product to anyone with a buck in their hand. Hey, it's a free country, and they're allowed - but just keep that in mind when you purchase from them.

although they said they won't sell to police departments, they WILL sell to police officers....who are generally reimbursed for their on-duty gun purchases - so in effect it's setting up a straw purchase.

They may not sell to organizations of jackbooted forces, but they'll sell to jackbooted members of that force. A distinction without a difference.

"Midway on the other hand has said that they will not sell "banned" products (products that the average citizen doesn't have access to) to ANYONE on that state, police, God, or otherwise. THIS is the approach of a pro 2A company. If you're going to keep your citizens from having these things, then you can't have them either."

Right on Blarg!
 
What this policy tells me is that when the local LEOs start showing up in force to do 'inspections' for banned guns, or kicking in doors to do confiscations, they will be armed with the same weapons they are planning to steal from you. Nothing more, except that ARmalite will be making a profit from helping to create that distinction.

Yet, if they simply refused sales to LEOs on the basis of the bans, the LEOs might instead put some pressure on the state legislators to let citizens have those guns and instead increase penalties for felons using guns. And if the local LEOs don't think we should have one of those guns, then I don't think they deserve to have them either as I don't believe that Anti-Constitution traitors should be armed at all. So my money won't be going to ARmalite no matter where I live or what product I want, unless they change that policy. (And yes, I know they don't care about 'my' lost business, but if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything).
 
What this policy tells me is that when the local LEOs start showing up in force to do 'inspections' for banned guns, or kicking in doors to do confiscations, they will be armed with the same weapons they are planning to steal from you. Nothing more, except that ARmalite will be making a profit from helping to create that distinction.

Yet, if they simply refused sales to LEOs on the basis of the bans, the LEOs might instead put some pressure on the state legislators to let citizens have those guns and instead increase penalties for felons using guns. And if the local LEOs don't think we should have one of those guns, then I don't think they deserve to have them either as I don't believe that Anti-Constitution traitors should be armed at all. So my money won't be going to ARmalite no matter where I live or what product I want, unless they change that policy. (And yes, I know they don't care about 'my' lost business, but if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything).

unfortunately, I think they'll go the way of Colt - they do so much business with the government they'll eventually say "screw the civilian market" and just sell to the "privileged class".
 
Stand togther or we all stand alone

I hope our tax dollars spent with Armalite by our so called protectors that do not trust us with firearms is enough to keep them afloat. Good luck gaining any public trust either in the future. Remember these Govt agencies are saying all of us, former soldiers, present soldiers former law enforcement and our families are not to be trusted with an AR or other weapons!
 
Selling to cops and not regular citizens

I still believe you are being hypocritical. If regular citizens ar not allowed to buy and use your products cops should not be allowed either. By selling to the system, even cops that support law abiding citizens and the 2nd amendment, you are still being hypocrites. The only way to get the message across that you support the 2nd amendment is to get all law enforcement out there respecting the 2nd amendment and as long as they can get the firearm they want they will not do that. I will not buy one sing armalite product, and will push everyone i know to boycott armalite until they push everyone into protecting the 2nd amendment.

Well, a couple of days ago I was happy to post MidwayUSA's response to all the ban fever going around...but for every Midway, there's an Armalite.

Apparently, they have released a convoluted and misleading statement which attempts to sound like they're opposed to these bans, but ultimately says that they will continue to sell their products to law enforcement in states where civilians are not allowed to own their products. The owner feels that as a former police officer, he is somehow absolved of the hypocracy he's enaging in.

Of course ARmalite is a private company and they have the right to conduct business any way they choose, but as a consumer, we should all be aware of their agenda - in this case make a quick buck at the cost of compromising the principles that are eroding the very Constitutional right that allows them to do business.

the letter basically says "they will not sell their product in states where it is restricted by law....except to those that are exempt from that law" so...yeah - way to take a stand.

feel free to post this on other gun forums.

I know I won't be buying their products....

the following is copied from another forum:


Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.

I think a bit of clarification is in order.

The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.

My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?

ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:

1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.

2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.

We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.

3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.

Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.

In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.

As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.

But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.

Respectfully,

Mark Westrom
President,
ArmaLite Inc.

AR10T.com :: Topic: For Clarification Armalite President Responds (1/1)
 
I have to agree with Rev. Dave and the others. Excusing Armalite's attempt to take advantage of a "loophole" by using the excuse that they are only selling to individuals is completely incorrect. They are NOT supporting the 2A and are, as I understand it, actually breaking the law as are the LEOs who are making "personal" purchases. Armalite is quite simply still selling their products to those agencies despite the citizens in their areas not being allowed access to those products. LEOs are NOT some kind of elite and those exemptions are NOT intended to apply to PERSONAL/INDIVIDUAL purchases by personnel who just happen to belong to those agencies which have been declared to be exempt but to equipment provided by those agencies to their personnel. LEOs, when considered individuals, are STILL citizens in whatever municipality they currently live in so... as individuals... they are not technically allowed to possess or privately purchase weapons banned in their areas... Which means, as I understand it, that Armalite, by selling to them, is actually breaking the law by doing so just as those "individual" LEOs are breaking the law by deliberately purchasing weapons they KNOW are banned in the areas where they live. And, just like others before me in this thread have said, just because you are a LEO does not make you somehow special. If a LEO supposedly needs a weapon that is banned for everyone else (and you KNOW the crooks must have access to them too otherwise why would the law enforcement agencies have been screaming that they are "outgunned" for years?) where the hell do you think that leaves Mom and Pop victim statistic ### while they have to deal with criminals while waiting for the police to arrive on-scene? Armalite is trying to have their cake and eat it too but what they are actually doing is attempting to show that they support the 2A but still somehow appear to be nobly supporting LEOs. It doesn't work that way. If the citizens in a particular area are banned from having a particular product then NO ONE IN THAT AREA SHOULD HAVE THAT PRODUCT NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE.
 
if liberals are right and these bans work and actually reduce criminal use of the banned firearms then cops shouldn't need the banned guns either.
 
What is to keep those LEO-purchased state-banned products from "walking" into civilian ownership? Even LEO retire, quit, get fired, die of non job-related causes, lose things, are burgularized, etc.. I'm not in favor of companies selling state-banned products to that states LE Agencies. They want a 30-round AR mag, ship them three 10s. That's three times as many mags as they wanted, they should be thrilled.
 
well, I guess i wont be buying armalite. i will just have to stick with larue tactical, olympic arms, york arms, and similarly minded companies.
 
Seems another case where LEOs, whether former ones who are selling products, or current ones, are setting themselves apart and above the people. Never been a rabid LEO basher, but this Armalite justification does not pass the BS test. It creates a special class of people and a second class. It is Orwellian double-speak. We are ALL the People.
 
I'm reading this thread and wondering and I smell something FISHY. It just doesn't sound right!!!!!

The whole email makes no sense. It contradicts itself every other line.
I am copying it and sending it to Armalite. I have a feeling this whole thing is BS.
 

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