Boberg Arms XR45

Saw a guy with one of these at the range... it did something very interesting. The odd way it feeds rounds... it took one round, pulled the bullet out and put it back in the casing, backwards. If I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes, I would never have believed it happened. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
 
Pretty much! Doesn't get much more major without an explosion. I'm never shooting one, much less buying one.
 
telpinaro said:
Saw a guy with one of these at the range... it did something very interesting. The odd way it feeds rounds... it took one round, pulled the bullet out and put it back in the casing, backwards. If I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes, I would never have believed it happened. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
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I don't follow this. It doesn't separate the bullet from the casing and put 'em back together as you said. What it does is during recoil the extractor pulls the cartridge from the magazine, knocks the spent casing out and insert the cartridge when the slide goes back to the breech.
 
Tea Man said:
I don't follow this. It doesn't separate the bullet from the casing and put 'em back together as you said. What it does is during recoil the extractor pulls the cartridge from the magazine, knocks the spent casing out and insert the cartridge when the slide goes back to the breech.
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It's not what it's supposed to do, but that's what this one did. I know how unlikely it sounds... like I said, if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it happened.

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I've heard of separation that happened but it's not supposed to do that so I get what you're saying
 
This is how it operates. There were some early issues of bullet separation, but apparently not an issue with good quality ammo. It's a neat weapon and I love that it's the made by "The Little Guy". I hope they get enough production soon to be able to drop the price a little, but it is very good quality and that will not be the cheapest, especially on such a small scale production.

 
There is a known issue with ammo in the mag having the bullet pulled out of the case when it is picked up my the holder/extractor. The issue is a poor or missing crimp on the round. There is an extensive list of ammo that does not suffer from this poor construction on the Boberg web site. I don't know if there are .45s on the list yet. If you have a problem or not, it would be helpful if you post the results on the ammo thread.

As you can see from the video above, the bolt head extracts the round from the magazine while it is moving backwards in the recoil cycle. It is doing this at a rather high speed and inertia of the bullet is the root cause of the issue. Since this is the only firearm (production) that uses this approach, people don't notice a problem with ammo. I suspect that in reality, the poorly crimped ammo may allow the bullet a bit of backward and forward movement in a normal mechanism. That could cause performance differences because it will effectively change the volume of the combustion space. But probably not noticeable. The closing bolt it probably going slower in most cases than the opening bolt in the Boberg. I don't know this; just hypothesizing.

The gun is worth being a little careful what you buy to feed it. In both it's current calibers it has very noticeably less felt recoil. Quicker to get back on target. And you get to grin at the guy next to you on the range and tell him that "no, I am inserting the rounds in the mag in the right direction".
 
I have both the Boberg XR9-s and the XR45-s. The Boberg forum maintains a list of ammo that other user have had problems with and ammo that has been used with no problems.

I have yet to have any of bullet pulling despite multiple range visits, and some pretty generic **** ammo. The only problems I had with either pistol were more likely caused by hard primers not firing then anything to do with the gun itself as my friend had the same problems that day with his Glock .45 using shared ammo.

I carry the XR9-s as my concealed gun with 100% confidence in it. I load it with Hornady Critical Defense. I have shot five boxes of HCD out of it that were purchased at different times, from different dealers, with different lot number with no problems at all.

The Boberg fits beautifully into my hand and my groups are as good as I can get them. Good, but not Olympic medal winning either.
 
Hedrin, you have a XR9-s and a XR45-s, and the 9 is your concealed carry gun. Do you carry the 9 instead of the 45 only because the 9 is a tad smaller or for another reason? How do you use the XR45-s? Have you ever tried using the 45 concealed? I ask because the Boberg 45 is just about the smallest 45 out there.
 
The XR9-s I have is a used pistol. The original owner filled out the warranty card, but never mailed it. I contacted them and they told me they had put about 1000 rounds through it.

The XR45-s I have is new from the factory. I have only had the chance to put 150 rounds through it.

Conventional wisdom on the Boberg is to give it at least 500 rounds before you can consider it "broken in". After that happens, I will reconsider the 45 over the 9. The fact is that as small as they are, neither is exactly "light", but with the exception of my Grandfather's 1930's S&W Colt Outdoorsman, no other gun I have ever shot seemed to want to hit exactly where I aimed it more than my Bobergs. This "trust" is why I have it as my concealed carry. But I have to admit, the hole at the front of the XR45-s appears HUGE at the front of such a little gun.

Below is about an hours worth of collecting info on some of the popular cc guns. This info is gleaned off various websites and "SHOULD" be pretty accurate. Your mileage may vary. Sorry if I left your favorite gun off the list.

Listed from heaviest to lightest
Beretta Px4 Storm SubCompact 26.1 oz. 13+1, 9mm - 10+1, 40 S&W
Springfield XD 26.0 oz. 13+1, 9mm - 9+1, 40 S&W
Ruger SP101 revolver 2.25" barrel 25.0 oz. 5, .357 magnum
Kimber Ultra Carry II 25.0 oz. 7+1, .45 ACP
Boberg XR45-s 22.5 oz. 6+1, .45 ACP
Walther CCP 22.4 oz. 8+1, 9mm
Glock 30s 20.3 oz. 10+1, .45 ACP
Taurus 605PLY 20.2 oz. 5, .357 magnum
Beretta BU9 Nano 19.8 oz. 6+1, 9mm
Taurus 709 20.0 oz. 7+1, 9mm
Kahr PM40 17.7 oz. 5+1, 40 S&W
Boberg XR9-s 17.4 oz. 7+1, 9mm
Kimber Solo Carry DC 17.0 oz. 6+1, 9mm
Ruger LCR revolver 17.2 oz. 5, 9mm - 5, .357 magnum
Sig Sauer P238 15.2 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
Ruger LCR revolver 13.5 oz. 5, 38 Special +P
S&W M&P Bodyguard 12.0 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
Beretta 21a “Bobcat” 11.8 oz. 6+1, .22 LR
Colt Mustang 11.5 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
Beretta Pico 11.5 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
Kahr CW380 10.2 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
Ruger LCP 09.7 oz. 6+1, .380 ACP
 
Thank you for your speedy reply...and the cc gun weight stats. I have a Sig P238, but I've yet to feel truly comfortable with an external safety. The Boberg 9-s looks like something I could really enjoy carrying. Good luck on deciding--some day--whether to carry the 9 or the 45! ��
 
I've never fired one, but I had the chance to hold a P238 at a dealers shop. Just didn't feel right in my hand. I'm not knocking the Sig, but it just wasn't the gun for me.
 
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