>Blistering 'Fact Check' of Piers Morgan's Bloviated Anti-Gun Claims<

[The_Outlaw]

Will CNN's Piers Morgan even be able to respond to this pointed & fact filled rebuke??
It's doubtful, We will have to wait and see...But considering how Swann relied upon actual statistics and not mere emotional bias' as people like Piers Morgan do, arguing with actual fact filled legitimacy could prove to be a highly-difficult task for the CNN host and his fellow like minded liberals within the mainstream media.

Local TV Anchor Delivers Blistering Fact-Check of Piers Morgan?s Anti-Gun Claims | Video | TheBlaze.com

 

[Bozz]

haha... good stuff. I wish he'd deport himself if it's so friggen great in the UK.

 

[mmckee1952]

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

By James Slack

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Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa (file picture)

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

•The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
•It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
•The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
•It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

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'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'

The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.

But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.

But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.

In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.

He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.

Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.

 

[vernsimpson]

I love how they say, "It's for the children." Then Planned Parenthood was bragging about setting a record for how many abortions they did last year. It works out to an abortion every 93 seconds. Then they also miss the fact that more people are killed on the highway each year than killed by a gun.

I believe what the anti-gun crown are about is that they do not like us and want to take away anything that we like. If we liked our Lattes they would be trying to ban them. Outlaw is right about the emotion thing with them. The left is all about emotion. Facts NEVER mean anything to them unless they work in their favor. When they don't they dismiss them or make up their own figures and facts to fit their position. As someone on this forum said, "Don't you just love how they talk out of both sets of cheeks? " But it seems to me they talk mostly out of the stinky one the most.

 

[kwimby]

Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. What's your point? From the Wiki...

The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991 from a rate per 100,000 persons of 9.8 to 4.8 in 2010, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 14,748 homicides in the United States in 2010, including non-negligent manslaughter.[32] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[33] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capita homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average annual per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (1980–2009) ranks highest of U.S. cities with average annual homicide totals among the 10 highest during the same period.[34][35] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark.​

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BigSlick]

Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. What's your point? From the Wiki...

The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991 from a rate per 100,000 persons of 9.8 to 4.8 in 2010, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 14,748 homicides in the United States in 2010, including non-negligent manslaughter.[32] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[33] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capita homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average annual per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (1980–2009) ranks highest of U.S. cities with average annual homicide totals among the 10 highest during the same period.[34][35] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark.​

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I noticed on that page they are using UK data from 2000. I guess using data that's 12 years old is ok if it supports their agenda. Frankly I don't put much stock in Wikipedia and this is a classic example of why I don't.

 

[gunnerbob]

The point is that Piers Morgan is full of sh!t and should be promptly deported back to his native land.

 

[rev. dave]

Facts don't really matter to people with distorted mental outlooks. Check out these analyses:
The Seven Varieties of Gun Control Advocate

and, Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality, By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

Anti-gun hyperventilators need psychiatric therapy and meds, not logic or reason and surely not enabling 'compassion'.

 

[sdprof]

People who support gun rights generally are people who believe in freedom and self reliance.

Two things that are anathema to the leftists.

 

[bullseye338]

I guess my question would be how many of these are drug related or gang related? Could this murder rate be curtailed far better by working on this end rather than the guns?

 

[Blackthorn]

Proves once again that Piers Morgan is willing to distort the truth to fit his agenda. He is so used to distorting the truth he can't even help himself... Wish one of ours would turn on him and start asking about how he got fired from his previous job as editor and what his motives were in creating such a calculated lie.... Call him for what he truly is.... A liar.....

 

[BluesStringer]

... Wish one of ours would turn on him and start asking about how he got fired from his previous job as editor and what his motives were in creating such a calculated lie.... Call him for what he truly is.... A liar.....

Well, Alex Jones did call him on his doctored photos, but do we really want to claim Alex Jones as "one of ours?" I sure don't.

 

[Blackthorn]

Well, Alex Jones did call him on his doctored photos, but do we really want to claim Alex Jones as "one of ours?" I sure don't.

I agree with you on that one Blues..... Alex Jones is a blowhard, but you have to give a nod to his passion...

 

[BluesStringer]

I agree with you on that one Blues..... Alex Jones is a blowhard, but you have to give a nod to his passion...

Personally, I don't think his passion is any less psychotic than Jarod Loughner, James Holmes or Adam Lanza's.

I had to have a root canal this afternoon (no, really!), and on the way home Hannity's on the radio talking about Jones' appearance on Morgan's show. He says he knows almost nothing about the guy, he's heard his name, but never looked into what he was really all about, so he did a little research last night. It's funny, but Hannity said basically the same thing you did. He may have even used the same word, "passion," but I'm not positive about that. But anyway, he definitely said the guy was "emotional" about what he believes in as he plays this clip of his show. I linked to it cued up to 1:50 out of a 3:09 clip. You can watch the first couple of minutes if you want, but think about how the last 1:00+ sounds to an anti. It doesn't look or sound "passionate," it looks/sounds like a guy, who now represents all gun-owners after going on Morgan's show in the anti's eyes, exactly like Morgan planned, whose meltdowns could just as easily manifest themselves by spraying a theater or elementary school with machine-gun fire, as to sob uncontrollably for the children (not sure which children he was referring to. the logo in the upper left-hand corner is overlaid by the YouTube user that posted the video, not Jones, so I don't know if it's an anti-abortion thing or something else.)

If that little display was about being against abortion, great, he and I share that stand, as we share the stands he blasted out like a madman at Piers Morgan. But as a spokesperson for anything I believe in, he's the last one I want speaking for me.

Sorry, instead of giving him a nod, all I can do is roll my eyes at that maniac.

Blues

 

[sdprof]

I guess my question would be how many of these are drug related or gang related? Could this murder rate be curtailed far better by working on this end rather than the guns?

Come one, one is not allowed to propose sensible answers!

I think I need to revive my sig that said "Ban gangs, not guns."

 

[Blackthorn]

Blues,
I do not listen to Hannity so I was unaware of his comments. Thank you for the link. I knew he was some type of radio personality. I have never heard his show nor knew its name. I am sure not many even knew who he was prior his appearance on Morgan's show. Jones is certainly not the best choice as a spokesman in any right. He does stand on his soapbox while many just stare at their feet...

Slightly rude to lump him in with the criminals you listed above. There is truely a fine line between psychotic and sane.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues,
I do not listen to Hannity so I was unaware of his comments. Thank you for the link. I knew he was some type of radio personality. I have never heard his show nor knew its name. I am sure not many even knew who he was prior his appearance on Morgan's show. Jones is certainly not the best choice as a spokesman in any right. He does stand on his soapbox while many just stare at their feet...

Well, yeah, you're right there. My guess is that when he does look at his feet though, he imagines a global conspiracy was behind that ingrown toenail......And that's coming from someone who is not automatically dismissive of conspiracy theories. I guess I'm a discriminating conspiracy theorist. Jones is whatever the opposite of that would be....maybe an anti-discriminating conspiracy theorist? Heck, I don't know. But I get your point.

Slightly rude to lump him in with the criminals you listed above. There is truely a fine line between psychotic and sane.

I think the clip I gave shows a guy that could land on the psychotic side of that fine line at any moment. After Sandy Hook, the main argument gun rights proponents have been using against more gun control is finding better ways to identify the mentally ill. Besides being criminals, all the people I mentioned were/are all mentally ill, and that's what I was getting at more so than their crimes, but I didn't make that clear, so point taken.

Plus, though I've never been a fan of his, I have watched and listened to at least a hundred of his videos. I find him to be dishonest, disingenuous, and one who plays on the fears of people who are law-abiding and patriotic, but still given to following snake-oil-salesmen such as himself. Of course, everyone's mileage may vary, and you may be right that I stepped over the line and was rude about him, but I just wanted to clarify that my thoughts about him are not based on just his recent media exposure, they're based on several years of scrutinizing him, and several instances where I was positive he was being dishonest.

Blues

 

[UATKP]

Facts don't really matter to people with distorted mental outlooks. Check out these analyses:
The Seven Varieties of Gun Control Advocate
and, Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality, By Sarah Thompson, M.D.
Anti-gun hyperventilators need psychiatric therapy and meds, not logic or reason and surely not enabling 'compassion'.

I like this part of the linked Sarah Thompson analysis:
Say NO to being a victim!
But no one needs to be a victim! Quite simply, it’s not very easy to victimize a person who owns and knows how to use a firearm. If most women owned and carried firearms, rapes and beating would decrease.(Lott 1998, pp. 78, 134–37.) Thugs who target the elderly and disabled would find honest work once they realized they were likely to be looking down the barrel of a pistol or shotgun. It’s nearly impossible to enslave, or herd into concentration camps, large numbers of armed people.

 

[UATKP]

Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. What's your point? From the Wiki...

The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991 from a rate per 100,000 persons of 9.8 to 4.8 in 2010, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 14,748 homicides in the United States in 2010, including non-negligent manslaughter.[32] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[33] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capita homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average annual per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (1980–2009) ranks highest of U.S. cities with average annual homicide totals among the 10 highest during the same period.[34][35] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark.​

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kwimby couldn't possibly be one of those anti-gun trolls who would adopt the task of attempting to distort the facts shown on pro-gun websites... surely not...???? Could he?

 

[escapedthematrix]

Well, yeah, you're right there. My guess is that when he does look at his feet though, he imagines a global conspiracy was behind that ingrown toenail......And that's coming from someone who is not automatically dismissive of conspiracy theories. I guess I'm a discriminating conspiracy theorist. Jones is whatever the opposite of that would be....maybe an anti-discriminating conspiracy theorist? Heck, I don't know. But I get your point.



I think the clip I gave shows a guy that could land on the psychotic side of that fine line at any moment. After Sandy Hook, the main argument gun rights proponents have been using against more gun control is finding better ways to identify the mentally ill. Besides being criminals, all the people I mentioned were/are all mentally ill, and that's what I was getting at more so than their crimes, but I didn't make that clear, so point taken.

Plus, though I've never been a fan of his, I have watched and listened to at least a hundred of his videos. I find him to be dishonest, disingenuous, and one who plays on the fears of people who are law-abiding and patriotic, but still given to following snake-oil-salesmen such as himself. Of course, everyone's mileage may vary, and you may be right that I stepped over the line and was rude about him, but I just wanted to clarify that my thoughts about him are not based on just his recent media exposure, they're based on several years of scrutinizing him, and several instances where I was positive he was being dishonest.

Blues

I would still side with Alex Jones on this. Especially when he is up against a turd, spin doctor like Piers. I mean the guy is such a sleezly pos. Your points are well taken though and there also leaves some question to the man's motives. He does run a successful media system with websites a radio show, social network and telivision programs. I would take Alex's information over CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc. Anyways, he came off ultra agressive and slightly crazy but thats ok with me and I wouldn't call that behavior psychotic nor would I expect him to go "Aurora". That said, I think we have a better proponent with Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America. He can speak for me and I believe in what he stands for. Check this Piers Morgan - Larry Pratt interview: Piers Morgan defeated by Larry Pratt in Gun Control debate ... AGAIN !!! ... Part 2 - YouTube!