Best choice for a new permit?

[Ryanbigame]

Hey everyone,

Just joined. I live in NY, and where I'm from I get the cock of justice & high taxes in my ass everyday. Here in NY, it's hard to get a concealed carry, only doctors, gunsmiths, or LEO can have a concealed, I have been alive for 22 years and never knew a person who had a concealed. You can't even hold a handgun in NY(legally) without.

So aplied for my permit, have to wait six months, background check.. Tons of $.. Blah blah..

I just bought an AR-15 bushmaster carbon 15, first real gun. Trying to get into the gun world. I see a lot of people rag on the carbon 15's.. But got it with a bushnell red-dot. Had a lot of fun with it.

My question is, what do you guys think a good first handgun is? I love Glocks and would love to get one as my first, what ammo do you guys recommend and such? New to the gun world so I can't tell **** ammo from good.

Thanks guy.
-ry

 

[bob steadman]

Well I say if ya like Glock go Glock. It all depends on what yr budget is, are ya looking for a good investment gun, gun that will last a life time etc. As far as ammo lawman speer is great. You don't mention if ya live in apt, house etc.? They make ammo that wont go too far through walls (great for apt's) but is still effective defense round. All name brand ammo makes good stuff. As far as caliber that is also personal preference. Do you plan on shooting it a lot? if so 9mm is the cheapest and all calibers rise in price by roughly $10 each from there. If you plan on traveling out of the state much you can look into a multi-state CCW permit. My site www.tacticalegeinstitute.com, as well as this site, has some of the easiest ones to obtain that I recommend to my students. If ya have any more detailed questions you can contact me at [email protected]

 

[revmedic]

If it's your first handgun and you hope to carry it someday, I'd probably go with a slightly more safe pistol than Glock, which has no external safety's, only a trigger safety. Ruger SR9/SR9C is a good choice.

As far as ammo, you can go cheap on the range ammo as long as it's factory/name brand (don't use Jo-Bob at the range to give you his "special hand loads"), but for carry, spend some money on the best self defense hollowpoints you can find. The above poster has some great suggestions.

 

[Oram Security Consultants]

Ryan, going by your post, I assume that you live in the great county of Westchester. In NY, each county is different when it comes to how permits are issued. Some counties do issue unrestricted permits to those who apply for them. Westchester is not one of them.

Now as for your first pistol. There are many answers and no single one is wrong. Glock does a great job, but you do have to be even more safety conscious. As revmedic said, the Ruger is good as well. The thing to remember, or at least take into consideration, is that you will not be using this as a carry firearm. This means I would recommend that you should look at a full size pistol, one that fits your hand correctly. Now when it comes to the caliber. Please look at the 9mm. It does not have the "cool" factor of the .40 or .45 but it does have one great advantage. It costs less. For a first pistol, you want something that economically will not hold you back from going to the range.

If you are in Westchester, feel free to Message me about some other ideas of what you can do to choose the right firearm. If you cross to CT you can use pistols of someone else to "try out" and see what works best for you.

 

[~OtisM~]

If it's your first handgun and you hope to carry it someday, I'd probably go with a slightly more safe pistol than Glock, which has no external safety's, only a trigger safety. Ruger SR9/SR9C is a good choice.

As far as ammo, you can go cheap on the range ammo as long as it's factory/name brand (don't use Jo-Bob at the range to give you his "special hand loads"), but for carry, spend some money on the best self defense hollowpoints you can find. The above poster has some great suggestions.

I agree, until glock enters the 21st century and puts a safety on their pistols, they are just plain dangerous. Mine went off for no reason sitting on top of the mantel. I'm afraid to load it. Accident waiting to happen with no way to engage a safety.

 

[JohnD13]

Ryan, I understand your frustration, I've been here a long time myself. One thing you may be missing here is the fact that aside from a premise permit, which is worthless, the permit you will receive is a concealed carry permit. NY does not allow open carry, except during hunting season, and then only in the field, definitely not once you are back in "civilization". You definitely don't want to be "flashing" your sidearm, great way to loose your permit, and possibly face legal problems. The judge issuing your permit may put restrictions on it, such as "Hunting and Target shooting", or for "Work" if you are in security or some related field. Your profession really doesn't have anything to do with your getting an unrestricted carry permit. In some places, it is getting to be as simple as having your permit for a year, and taking an advanced pistol course, to have your restrictions removed. Other counties are simply issuing unrestricted carry permits from the start.

I'd have to agree with an earlier post about buying what feels best to you. You'll shoot better if you are comfortable with the gun. And it is a pain in the butt waiting to go handgun shopping until your permit gets here. On the other hand, your a young guy, and there are a lot of more gun friendly places to be! Good luck to you.

 

[Firefighterchen]

you can't go wrong with a glock, there are over 2.5 million being used world wide today. Thumb safety or not, complacency is the enemy, safety should be the priority, so stay mindful whether it be a glock or a 1911 or an m&p/xd/Sr etc.

 

[SR40c]

A big fan of Ruger SR series pistols as well. But the best thing you can do is take your time, fondle a variety of different choices, get one that feels like it's a part of your hand. Had a real nice pistol for a first one, an XDm 40. A great gun. But found it to be a little bulky for my hand. It just wasn't for me. Sold it to a pal of mine who has a little bit larger hands and he just loves it. Another thing, if possible, handle them with a full magazine. One might feel comfortable empty, then not so comfy loaded up.

 

[Kalamity023]

Try to not listen to the Glock critics out there. The Glock is as safe as any gun when following the basics of gun safety. Now I can't help much with the NY permit issue; but for a first Handgun anything 9mm will be well suited. As was said before it's cheap, reliable, and effective. My suggestion is try a few out before you buy to see what you like. If you are close to CT there is a range fairly close to the NY border called "Shooters" it's in New Milford and about 20-30 mins from Rt684. They rent guns there and are reasonable for range time. Having shot there it's a good place to practice. I will say that the triggers on the Glocks are something to get used to, they are very consistent, however, almost mechanical feeling under finger.

 

[Mousedaddy]

Well for a carry weapon I carry a SIG P226 in 9mm and use Remington hollow points it's a great carry weapon it's all metal (don't like plastic guns) obviously heavier than a Glock but it's 100% reliable and once you have emptied yr mags you can club them with it. But no on a serious point try lots of different ones because it all comes down to what YOU are comfortable with.

 

[BC1]

I agree, until glock enters the 21st century and puts a safety on their pistols, they are just plain dangerous. Mine went off for no reason sitting on top of the mantel. I'm afraid to load it. Accident waiting to happen with no way to engage a safety.

Otis, now you're polluting an instructor's forum. Your Glock DID NOT just go off while sitting on a mantle. What did the wind blow? Your Glock contains THREE internal safety's that prevent it from firing if dropped, thrown or used to crack some sense into your hard-head. I'm a certified Glock armorer so don't even begin this crap here. I periodically gave you the benefit of the doubt on some posts. Now I believe your sole purpose on this forum is to spew this crap. Get this into that brain... Glocks don't just "go off." People pull the trigger.

Otis, if you really do have a gun and permit I honestly believe you're exactly the reason why the anti-gun movement exists.

 

[Kerzhan]

If it's your first handgun and you hope to carry it someday, I'd probably go with a slightly more safe pistol than Glock, which has no external safety's, only a trigger safety..

Why do people keep saying that? Dude, have you even handled a Glock or taken it apart? The safeties are internal, and the best safety is always the "brain/trigger finger" combination anyway. I suppose all newbies need to stay away from revolvers as well?

 

[BC1]

Hey everyone,

Just joined. I live in NY, and where I'm from I get the cock of justice & high taxes in my ass everyday. Here in NY, it's hard to get a concealed carry, only doctors, gunsmiths, or LEO can have a concealed, I have been alive for 22 years and never knew a person who had a concealed. You can't even hold a handgun in NY(legally) without.

So aplied for my permit, have to wait six months, background check.. Tons of $.. Blah blah..

I just bought an AR-15 bushmaster carbon 15, first real gun. Trying to get into the gun world. I see a lot of people rag on the carbon 15's.. But got it with a bushnell red-dot. Had a lot of fun with it.

My question is, what do you guys think a good first handgun is? I love Glocks and would love to get one as my first, what ammo do you guys recommend and such? New to the gun world so I can't tell **** ammo from good.

Thanks guy.
-ry

First off you need to forget this myth people have put in your head. It's not hard to get a concealed carry permit. There are over 1 million of them in this state. You don't need to be a doctor, gunsmith or LEO. My wife wanted an unrestricted permit for convenience in Orange county. Judge smiled and handed it to her. At 22 years old you'll get some extra scrutiny and the cooments about what you're getting in the ass won't fly well at your interview.

NY offers a premise permit or a concealed-carry permit. The standard of good behavior for each is exactly the same so apply for the CCW permit. In Westchester, Rockland or Long Island everyone gets a hard time with unrestricted carry, but they still get the permit with some restrictions. Counties like Orange Dutchess & Ulster hand out unrestricted permits. But at 22 years old you might expect to have some initial restrictions such as hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, carrying large sums of money, business, etc.

There's no grand conspiracy. There's no crazy costs. $75 for NRA Basic Pistol and about $115 for the license is not much more than anywhere else. You'll never need to renew the permit so that's all you'll spend for a lifetime.

 

[NCIC105]

Hey everyone,

Just joined. I live in NY, and where I'm from I get the cock of justice & high taxes in my ass everyday. Here in NY, it's hard to get a concealed carry, only doctors, gunsmiths, or LEO can have a concealed, I have been alive for 22 years and never knew a person who had a concealed. You can't even hold a handgun in NY(legally) without.

So aplied for my permit, have to wait six months, background check.. Tons of $.. Blah blah..

I just bought an AR-15 bushmaster carbon 15, first real gun. Trying to get into the gun world. I see a lot of people rag on the carbon 15's.. But got it with a bushnell red-dot. Had a lot of fun with it.

My question is, what do you guys think a good first handgun is? I love Glocks and would love to get one as my first, what ammo do you guys recommend and such? New to the gun world so I can't tell **** ammo from good.

Thanks guy.
-ry

Glocks are good guns...I think they are the most reliable..(Some will argue with this)..But I like S&W's Colts and Para Ordinance...

I know sometimes it may be out of your control but I would seek to move my family to a gun friendly state......Wish you well in your quest!

I carry a Glock 27 and Para Warthog.

 

[Oram Security Consultants]

NY offers a premise permit or a concealed-carry permit. The standard of good behavior for each is exactly the same so apply for the CCW permit. In Westchester, Rockland or Long Island everyone gets a hard time with unrestricted carry, but they still get the permit with some restrictions. Counties like Orange Dutchess & Ulster hand out unrestricted permits. But at 22 years old you might expect to have some initial restrictions such as hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, carrying large sums of money, business, etc.

There's no grand conspiracy. There's no crazy costs. $75 for NRA Basic Pistol and about $115 for the license is not much more than anywhere else. You'll never need to renew the permit so that's all you'll spend for a lifetime.

The county can adjust some costs. In Westchester County there is a mandatory "Recertification" of your permit every 5 years. There is a $10 fee each time. Westchester at this time is almost imposable to get an unrestricted permit. The county has actually been sued due to this. The only amendment they are doing right now is for work carry. Also, have you called to set up your appointment yet? If not, then do so Monday. Right now, they are setting up appointments in January.

 

[BC1]

The county can adjust some costs. In Westchester County there is a mandatory "Recertification" of your permit every 5 years. There is a $10 fee each time. Westchester at this time is almost imposable to get an unrestricted permit. The county has actually been sued due to this. The only amendment they are doing right now is for work carry. Also, have you called to set up your appointment yet? If not, then do so Monday. Right now, they are setting up appointments in January.

What I find unfair to Westchester residents is that they can't prohibit those of us from nearby counties from carrying in-county unless they codify it into PL Article 400. Outsiders have more rights in Westchester than their own residents. It's a damn shame.

 

[joatesiii]

I agree, until glock enters the 21st century and puts a safety on their pistols, they are just plain dangerous. Mine went off for no reason sitting on top of the mantel. I'm afraid to load it. Accident waiting to happen with no way to engage a safety.

Wow Otis...I have been looking for an event like this...I think that you have the only self-firing pistol on the planet...

 

[kerb]

It's top seekrit new Glock mind reading technology. However, in the initial design they didn't consider cases where there might not be brain activity.
Otis exposed the flaw in the system.

LOL

 

[Numenor]

If it's your first handgun and you hope to carry it someday, I'd probably go with a slightly more safe pistol than Glock, which has no external safety's, only a trigger safety.

Ummm... given the fact that Glocks have one of the best safety records of all pistol designs I think you're pissing into the wind here.

That said, I didn't get a Glock because I did want a secondary external safety aside from the trigger (in case the trigger got caught on something)... well that and the grip angle just sucks on them, but that's just me and what I feel comfortable with. I went with a Springfield XD which has a grip safety in addition to the trigger safety. That way I didn't have to worry about flicking a switch, it's point and pull trigger as with the Glock.

 

[titaniumman]

I agree, until glock enters the 21st century and puts a safety on their pistols, they are just plain dangerous. Mine went off for no reason sitting on top of the mantel. I'm afraid to load it. Accident waiting to happen with no way to engage a safety.

Ryan...Pay no mind to otis, the carbon monoxide in mommy's basement has gone to his head. The chance that he even owns a gun, let alone a GLOCK that shoots by itself are pretty slim. About as slim as him posting something worth reading. He is simply here trolling. A quick look thru his posting history will confirm this. I own 2 GLOCKS and one or the other is loaded 24-7, and neither of them have fired unless I wanted it too.
I agree with the previous members that recommend a 9mm, which ever model feels right to you. Once you start shooting, a box of rounds can disappear pretty quickly, and 9mm is half the cost of 45. And obviously .22 is dirt cheap and fun to shoot but not a very effective ccw round. I have a G19 and I love it. The trigger is stiff enough that it requires a conscious effort to engage, it is also easy to conceal when you get your restrictions lifted. And I practice enough to not put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to shoot so the gun is very safe. Good luck with the permit process, it takes a while but in the end, it is so worth the effort.