BATFE Targets CCW Holders


DarrellM5

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I thought the legislature wanted to raise the fees and the Governor threatened to veto it.
 

Bohemian

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I thought the legislature wanted to raise the fees and the Governor threatened to veto it.


NOPE: read the earlier threads...

NHPA and NSA wanted to jack up the rates through the roof, legislature said nope, unjustified...

Again this stems from the BATFE running unchecked making their own rules and saying our CCW law is deficient because of two words in the law...

the NHPA and NSA saw the opportunity to get some PORK out of a deal with the legislature...
 

DarrellM5

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Nye County Sherrif De Meo has responded favorably to my email. He stated that he supports the NICS exemption and will support the call for another audit.
 

LVLouisCyphre

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NOPE: (Not legislatures fault)

Nevada Highway Patrol and Nevada Sheriffs Associations AND THE BATFE...

NHPA & NSA arranged the deal with the BATFE so they could jack up the permit renewals and new renewals... The legislature would not go for raising the permits $100.00's of dollars...
Exactly and a fee increase will not work or ever pass because AZ, ID and UT all have NICS exemptions and are considerably less than the NV CFP. As long as three bordering States have a NICS exemption and their fee is considerably less than the NV CFP then increasing the fees to keep a NICS exemption will not work.
 

kwo51

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What happened to a government by and for the people? 70% of us work for the gov. why is it out of control.
 
BATFE's Reasoning On Nevada

Before you go off the deep end with this rhetoric, please check the following information out on why the BATFE is now requiring the checks in Nevada > > >

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/053008_nevadaffl-openletter.pdf

I am retired from the Ark. State Police and have had the honor and privilege to work with a number of BATFE agents over my 31 years of service. They are fine law enforcement officers who do their best to serve the their country with honor, integrity, and hard and dangerous work. I have a close BATFE friend of mine who was wounded at the Waco, TX camp years ago and another one, Agent Robert Williams, who was killed there. Whether you agree or not about the handling of the Waco event, those men were doing their duty to the best of their abilities for the safety of us all. The ONLY reason for the deaths there was that, in my opinion, the BATFE and others were trying to deal with extremist psychos.

Have the laws changed. Fire the bosses (President Clinton/Attn. Gen. Reyno in the above case). Elect good, honest, patriotic (oxymorons?) politicians if you can find them.
 

Bohemian

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Before you go off the deep end with this rhetoric, please check the following information out on why the BATFE is now requiring the checks in Nevada > > >

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/053008_nevadaffl-openletter.pdf

I am retired from the Ark. State Police and have had the honor and privilege to work with a number of BATFE agents over my 31 years of service. They are fine law enforcement officers who do their best to serve the their country with honor, integrity, and hard and dangerous work. I have a close BATFE friend of mine who was wounded at the Waco, TX camp years ago and another one, Agent Robert Williams, who was killed there. Whether you agree or not about the handling of the Waco event, those men were doing their duty to the best of their abilities for the safety of us all. The ONLY reason for the deaths there was that, in my opinion, the BATFE and others were trying to deal with extremist psychos.

Have the laws changed. Fire the bosses (President Clinton/Attn. Gen. Reyno in the above case). Elect good, honest, patriotic (oxymorons?) politicians if you can find them.

Actually, I have looked at the BATFE's letter which conveniently omits many pivotal details...

And I have the minutes from the State Legislature...
And the proposed amendment written and submitted by the Nevada Highway Patrol and Nevada sheriff's Associations...
Which I will post to this thread when I have a little bit more time...

I don't agree with the BATFE's actions in Waco, and I know those that died were doing their job...

Despite enforcing the willful infringement of the second amendment upon those at the Waco compound... And in my view it had NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR SAFETY...

They should not have been there to begin with... No disrespect intended...

I have nothing against those BATFE individuals, only the agency they represent...

And this thread has nothing to do with Waco...

And you should really look into the egregious shenanigans that the BATFE regularly take action in against law abiding gun dealers such as Reds Trading Post...

"Always think seizure first" is a pretty egregious motto for a government agency...
 
Nevada's BATFE Ruling

Check out the following gov. site, please.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/053008_n...openletter.pdf

It explains BATFE's reasoning behind the checks. Also, I had a good friend of mine wounded and another killed at Waco, TX, during Clinton's term and feel that you and others are being overzealous in your attacks against the BATFE. These are/were great guys and law enforcement personnel doing their jobs as directed by our government. I worked with both of these guys and many others during my 31 years with the State Police here in Arkansas and I can say they are and have been patriotic, fair and hardworking.

Give 'em a break and work on your Government...especially work on doing away with the anti-gun left wing idiots.

Larry
 

robiewan

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Check out the following gov. site, please.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/053008_n...openletter.pdf

It explains BATFE's reasoning behind the checks. Also, I had a good friend of mine wounded and another killed at Waco, TX, during Clinton's term and feel that you and others are being overzealous in your attacks against the BATFE. These are/were great guys and law enforcement personnel doing their jobs as directed by our government. I worked with both of these guys and many others during my 31 years with the State Police here in Arkansas and I can say they are and have been patriotic, fair and hardworking.

Give 'em a break and work on your Government...especially work on doing away with the anti-gun left wing idiots.

Larry

Not to be insensitive, but the whole WACO thing was a farce. The BATFE were way out of line. Reno is responsible for ordering the murder of all those men, women and children. There never was a reason for any federal involvement, and it was a fact that the charges against these people were trumped up because of fear by the government.
Crazy religion, or not, the whole affair was a sham. If your friends were injured I am sorry. But obedience to unconstitutional laws is not appropriate behavior. So, good guys or not, they had a moral obligation to object and bow out. No one had any moral turpitude here. No one has any grounds for being compliant witht he law of the land as they were disobeying it by their own presence. Koresh and his followers had the right to be unmolested on their property and their murder is and was an outrage.
That said, the BATFE IS not a lawful or legl organization and in fact, stands like OSHA as a violation of our laws and constitution.
Flame me if you will it will not matter as I know in my heart, and through research I am right.
 

Ektarr

Dedicated Infidel
These are/were great guys and law enforcement personnel doing their jobs as directed by our government.

I believe the phrase is, "I was only following orders."

Regrettably, there comes a time in many (all?) our lives when we have to stop...pause...and think, 'WTF AM I DOING?!? AND WHY??!??'

...and maybe choose the harder path, and walk away from it.

I've watched the documentary "Rules Of Engagement", a treatise about Waco and what happened, and what was said to have happened, by those involved. They make a good case.

Listen...I like Cops. Tried to get on the job when I was young. They're doing a hard job under difficult circumstances for an unappreciative public. But they still have a moral responsibility to the country, the public and - for some - the Constitution.

They're called "hard" choices for a reason.
 
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Bohemian

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Check out the following gov. site, please.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/053008_n...openletter.pdf

It explains BATFE's reasoning behind the checks. Also, I had a good friend of mine wounded and another killed at Waco, TX, during Clinton's term and feel that you and others are being overzealous in your attacks against the BATFE. These are/were great guys and law enforcement personnel doing their jobs as directed by our government. I worked with both of these guys and many others during my 31 years with the State Police here in Arkansas and I can say they are and have been patriotic, fair and hardworking.

Give 'em a break and work on your Government...especially work on doing away with the anti-gun left wing idiots.

Larry

Please re-read post #27 of this thread...

The BATFE is part of the problem, not part of the solution...

And read...
As part of its Asset Forfeiture training program for agents, the BATFE ordered 2,000 Leatherman tools inscribed with the words "Always Think Forfeiture." The program urges agents to focus on seizing private property...
http://gunowners.org/a060608.htm
And...

Time to Stop BATFE Abuses: Congress Pursues Firearm Law Reforms...
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And...

BATFE Agents Burst Into Wrong House...
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The BATFE and IRS should have been abolished a long time ago... both are back-door unconstitutional infringements imposed on U.S. Citizens without the vote of the people...
 
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Bohemian

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NEVADA: Link RemovedAs many of you have been made aware, as of Tuesday, July 1, Nevada CCW permits will no longer qualify as an alternative to a National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) through the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This action is a result of Nevada's loss of exemption due to an audit conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) in 2004 which uncovered a number of Brady Law violations. NRA has recently learned that the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association (NVSCA) will be discussing the possibility of asking BATFE for another audit of the Nevada CCW permit process prior to their scheduled July 17 quarterly meeting. According to NVSCA Executive Director Frank Adams, he believes that Nevada could pass a new audit, however, the request to BATFE must be given the green light from all seventeen sheriffs. Please take the time to contact your Sheriff immediately and ask that they join with their fellow sheriffs when this matter comes before them! The contact information for your Sheriff, as well as all seventeen, can be found on the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association website at Link Removed. For more information, please click Link Removed.

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wuzfuz

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This just confirms my feelings about the BATF, due to two cases involving people I knew in Arizona, A friend of mine applied to the BATF for an FFL, and when asked how many guns he planned on selling or trading in the following year, he responded about 20. The ATF agent inmformed him that was too small a number, that he did not need a license for that small a number of weapons, and that they would be private sales, outside the ken of the BATF. About three weeks later, ATF agents raided the home of another friend of mine and seized all the weapons in their home, and arrested them on a charge of dealing in firearms without a license. Their crime? They had sold six guns over the past six months. It took a darn good lawyer to get them out of that pickle.
 

Sheldon

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There is no NICS fee in Mi, N our AG has a letter of agreement with the ATF that all new permits do not need one, then again we have to be fingerprinted, and pass a criminal background check, along with other stuff before we get our CCW.
 

tattedupboy

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Why are Nevada CCW holders being singled out for this fee? I live in IN, and I have never seen any such fee associated with the NICS check.
 

Sheldon

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Why are Nevada CCW holders being singled out for this fee? I live in IN, and I have never seen any such fee associated with the NICS check.

I do not know for certain but I suspect that it is because they have a group of Police Chiefs that decide gun laws in their state instead of letting the legislature do it. Letting the Police make and decide how laws are interpreted is a real bad idea.:nono:
 

LVLouisCyphre

Obama is a mack daddy!
NICS checks

Some States defer NICS checks to the FBI, in which case it's free and funded by Congress. Some States like Nevada and Utah, NICS checks are done by the State. In those cases, there's a fee or Brady Tax to maintain the State computer system. The reason our NICS check was revoked is that Nevada Sheriffs have not been complying with the Brady law requirements to keep our NICS check exemption in tact.

This issue will be addressed during the NV SCA meeting next week and this next legislative session. Because Nevada is one of the most expensive States for a NICS check, it is a hot political issue as it deals with money.

Sheldon, we've gone over this several times before. The only thing the NV SCA has the authority to do under Nevada law is determine the training requirements for NV CFPs, certify instructors and what States are recognized in Nevada. They have no other authority under the law. This authority was granted to them by the State legislature. Your AG has made sure your county gun boards are complying with the Brady law requirements for NICS exemptions. If one county deviates from that (WaCo), I suspect you will go through the same issues we are having here in Nevada should BATFE discover it.
 

Bohemian

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Some States defer NICS checks to the FBI, in which case it's free and funded by Congress. Some States like Nevada and Utah, NICS checks are done by the State. In those cases, there's a fee or Brady Tax to maintain the State computer system. The reason our NICS check was revoked is that Nevada Sheriffs have not been complying with the Brady law requirements to keep our NICS check exemption in tact.

This issue will be addressed during the NV SCA meeting next week and this next legislative session. Because Nevada is one of the most expensive States for a NICS check, it is a hot political issue as it deals with money.

Sheldon, we've gone over this several times before. The only thing the NV SCA has the authority to do under Nevada law is determine the training requirements for NV CFPs, certify instructors and what States are recognized in Nevada. They have no other authority under the law. This authority was granted to them by the State legislature. Your AG has made sure your county gun boards are complying with the Brady law requirements for NICS exemptions. If one county deviates from that (WaCo), I suspect you will go through the same issues we are having here in Nevada should BATFE discover it.

Please re-read this thread...

The NV SCA and their counter part the nevada highway patrol association are lobbists for the "NEVADA COPS PET PORK PROJECTS"... pure and simple...
these guys help make the laws the cops want and actually DRAFT many of the gun laws in Nevada submitted to the legislature and elsewhere...
"ITS ON RECORD"

Basically, the reason why the BATFE revoked Nevada's NICS immunity for CCW holders was due to two words "Renewal" "New" in the application (actually missing) for CCW holders and in the Nevada State Law...

In addition, the Sheriffs, Chiefs and Highway Patrol's associations made a back door deal with the BATFE to get them not to force Nevada CCW holders to NICS fees; because they would get the Nevada Legislature to re-write the law so that it was worded the way the "BATFE" "and nobody else" says it should read... Again the BATFE imposing and writing law that they have no authority to do…

Hint, Hint, write your representatives! whether you live in Nevada or not!
NRA-ILA :: Action Center

The deal failed to go through because the Nevada Legislature and the Governor of Nevada refused to allow the Nevada Sheriff’s, Chiefs and Highway Patrol Associations to raise the fees for CCW applications; both new and renewals by over 200% (they specificlly stated it was unwaranted) they were asking for in the draft of the new law they submitted to the Nevada Legislature; read up on the shameful shenanigans of the Nevada Sheriffs, Chiefs and Highway Patrol associations under the minutes and submission, and testimonies by these cop pork lobbyists related to Nevada AB21...

So the cops were trying to bribe their way into getting more pork money for using a state NICS system for their own benefit that they could avoid all together by using the FBI NICS system for FREE... They further colluded with the BATFE to impose this on Nevada CCW Holders... under the guise of keeping the same rights to NICS exclusion that the rest of the countries CCW holders have… by simply changing two words in the law and applications for new and renewal CCW applciations....
so NEVADA COPS and the BATFE are SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL STATE OF EVENTS...

It is imperative that if you are a Nevada resident and you value the second amendment and the right-to-carry that you personally attend the following forum… (if you are out of state write a letter, make a phone call, fax, email , all of the above, you can find the contact info I previously posted, stick up for Nevada, if you don't you might be next if they get away with it!)
Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Concealed Carry Forum! Wednesday, September 10 from 1:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.
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Sheldon

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So the cops were trying to bribe their way into getting more pork money for using a state NICS system for their own benefit that they could avoid all together by using the FBI NICS system for FREE... They further colluded with the BATFE to impose this on Nevada CCW Holders... under the guise of keeping the same rights to NICS exclusion that the rest of the countries CCW holders have… by simply changing two words in the law and applications for new and renewal CCW applciations....
so NEVADA COPS and the BATFE are SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISGRACEFUL STATE OF EVENTS...

Kind of drops back to what I said, letting the police make and decide law is a real bad idea.
 

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