Bad news for CT gun owners

[scottb908]

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Connecticut Bill Introduced to
Ban Possession of All Magazines Over 10 Rounds
State Police Prepared to Confiscate Magazines from Homes if Passed
A bill introduced in the Connecticut General Assembly (Raised Bill Number 1094) by anti-gun state Sen. Martin Looney (D) would ban the possession of any magazine (rifle, pistol or shotgun) capable of holding more than 10 rounds. If this bill passes, law-abiding gun owners will have to begin surrendering their magazines by July, or face confiscation by the state police and a felony charge. Again, this proposal would not only ban the sale of these magazines, but would make simple possession a felony. Any gun owner found in possession of any magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds will be in violation of this proposed law, regardless of whether it was legally purchased.

This draconian measure will also affect non-gun owners as all Connecticut tax payers will be forced to foot the bill for the extraordinary process of having police confiscate -- from law-abiding citizens -- the millions of magazines already in the state.

Making matters worse, manufacturers including Colt, C Products, Mec-Gar, OKAY Industries and Metalform will be directly affected by this legislation. That means a loss of jobs and tax revenue to the state.

Arbitrarily limiting magazine capacity and threatening law-abiding gun owners with confiscation and felony charges is beyond the pale. These magazines are utilized every day for home defense and the shooting sports. As part of the 1994 "Assault Weapons" ban, the production of higher capacity magazines was halted. This gun-control strategy soon proved to be a failure. A comprehensive study by the Centers for Disease Control -- hardly a pro-gun entity -- looked at the full panoply of gun-control measures, including this ban, and concluded that none could be proven to reduce crime. Another study, commissioned by Congress, found that bans were not effective since "the banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders."

NSSF is encouraging all gun owners, sportsmen and hunters to contact their state representative, senator and all members of the Judiciary Committee immediately and urge them to oppose Sen. Looney's magazine ban.

To find your legislator, click here.

To contact the Joint Committee on the Judiciary, click here

 

[S&W645]

During the gun ban era, the box magazines were still produced. Those were marked "Military and Law Enforcement only" or such.


And it's stupid to limit capacity as you change them out fast enough on most guns to not even notice the break.

 

[bigrebnc1861]

How will they get around those fiorearms such as some SKS's that have a 20 round fixed magazine

 

[scottb908]

They wonder why the state is so broke, its cause they have to sit there and draft crap like this... I am sure the bad guys will gladly turn in all their illegal mags. Its a knee jerk reaction to what happened in AZ. Yes it was tragic but with this law I only be able to kill 10 people instead of more with having to reload... I mean come on really? Also the state police are prepared to confiscate them... They have just as many as the citizens do. Will they have to turn in their private weapons. Who is going to pay the OT for the troopers to go around and collect all these? To top it all off if your caught with it... A CLASS D FELONY!! If it wasnt for work Id move out of this crummy state.:angry::angry:

 

[Combat]

They wonder why the state is so broke, its cause they have to sit there and draft crap like this... I am sure the bad guys will gladly turn in all their illegal mags. Its a knee jerk reaction to what happened in AZ. Yes it was tragic but with this law I only be able to kill 10 people instead of more with having to reload... I mean come on really? Also the state police are prepared to confiscate them... They have just as many as the citizens do. Will they have to turn in their private weapons. Who is going to pay the OT for the troopers to go around and collect all these? To top it all off if your caught with it... A CLASS D FELONY!! If it wasnt for work Id move out of this crummy state.:angry::angry:

As attractive as moving away sounds, we need as many pro gun peeps there as possible to keep **** like this from passing.

 

[bigrebnc1861]

I hope some lawyer will take notice of Summary of U.S. v. Emerson
Summary of U.S. v. Emerson
The court noted:

"Although, as we have held, the Second Amendment does
protect individual rights, that does not mean that those rights may
never be made subject to any limited, narrowly tailored specific
exceptions or restrictions for particular cases that are reasonable and
not inconsistent with the right of Americans generally to individually
keep and bear their private arms as historically understood in this
country."
Historically understood, would be to keep and bear arms to bear arms being a military term.

If you restrict the magazine capacity you are restricting the effectiveness of the militia

 

[6shootercarry]

Another gift from the Liberal Left... The entire east coast has become a cesspool of mindless progressive liberals who will not stop until they can get their signatures on the new Standard Operating Procedure for Subjects of the US...

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"There will be no more high capacity magazines in Sombertown"..

 

[6shootercarry]

We are trying to avoid that in SC. However I think just because of this thread I am going to buy some more magazines for my Glock. Maybe even some of the 22 round 40S&W magazines. :biggrin:

Yup... Grabbed a few factory Colt 30rd AR mags at the last gun show here. Picked a few Beretta 15 rd mags for the 92FS..

It is getting 4King ridiculous. Time to stand ground and make a point, loudly...

 

[scottb908]

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[CapGun]

I just love this great news. Everyday there is someone out there bent on infringing our rights at the least, at most denying us our rights. Guess this falls under "reasonable". It's "reasonable" they won't stop there.
I am not from Ct. Do you have to register your gun purchases there? How would they know what mags you have? They going to tear your house down to find what you gave away or sold?
That will surely make this end of gun violence tactic:fie: efficient, effective and interesting to say the least.

 

[phoenixjim]

How will they get around those firearms such as some SKS's that have a 10 round fixed magazine

There - fixed that for you... A 20 round fixed mag (and some kludged removable ones of from 5 rounds and up) have been made "after market", but are not standard.

Perhaps you are thinking of something like the AK or AR platform, both of which routinely come with I think 30 round mags? Of course, smaller capacity mags are available for those as well, just not the default.

As a current NY (upstate several hours away from NYC) resident, I've been cursed with such a limitation my entire time here. 10 round limit, and registration of each and every pistol (NYC even requires permits for long guns). According to the FBI statistics, we can see just how successful that has been though. And all of this in spite of the fact that Article 2, section 4 of NYS Civil Rights Law states, in part "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms can not be infringed". More laws are on the way, though - so I may be forced to move...

 

[bigrebnc1861]

There - fixed that for you... A 20 round fixed mag (and some kludged removable ones of from 5 rounds and up) have been made "after market", but are not standard.

Perhaps you are thinking of something like the AK or AR platform, both of which routinely come with I think 30 round mags? Of course, smaller capacity mags are available for those as well, just not the default.

As a current NY (upstate several hours away from NYC) resident, I've been cursed with such a limitation my entire time here. 10 round limit, and registration of each and every pistol (NYC even requires permits for long guns). According to the FBI statistics, we can see just how successful that has been though. And all of this in spite of the fact that Article 2, section 4 of NYS Civil Rights Law states, in part "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms can not be infringed". More laws are on the way, though - so I may be forced to move...

no some SKS's have a fixed 20 round magazine

Top pic is of a fixed 20 round magazine

Standard fix 10 round magazine

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[phoenixjim]

no some SKS's have a fixed 20 round magazine

Top pic is of a fixed 20 round magazine

Standard fix 10 round magazine

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My apologies - seems as though I was misinformed? Is that top pic a chinese variant? I have zero familiarity with anything from that People's republic Also seems I forgot the so-called sks-d and sks-m variants, designed from the factory to take removable mags...

Regardless, if we are talking about the "Guvment" here, they'll just do what they always do and when there's any question at all (even if only in their own tiny minds) they will confiscate...

 

[bigrebnc1861]

My apologies - seems as though I was misinformed? Is that top pic a chinese variant? I have zero familiarity with anything from that People's republic Also seems I forgot the so-called sks-d and sks-m variants, designed from the factory to take removable mags...

Regardless, if we are talking about the "Guvment" here, they'll just do what they always do and when there's any question at all (even if only in their own tiny minds) they will confiscate...

That would be a violation of the second amendment wouldn't you say?

 

[bigrebnc1861]

Let me be clear about this issue to the people of Connecticut



I have already mentioned that some SKS semi automatic rifles have a fixed 20 round magazine as, meaning it cannot be removed without making alterations to it. If that happens according to the law would make that rifle illegal unless you make it 992r compliant, under Federal law. I think even if you are replacing the 20 round fixed magazine to a 10 round fixed magazine you will be altering the rifle into something other than it's original state that it was created as. This new legislation if passed would be violating the second amendment and the recently supreme court ruling Heller vs. D.C. and McDonald vs. Chicago.

 

[S&W645]

Let me be clear about this issue to the people of Connecticut



I have already mentioned that some SKS semi automatic rifles have a fixed 20 round magazine as, meaning it cannot be removed without making alterations to it. If that happens according to the law would make that rifle illegal unless you make it 992r compliant, under Federal law. I think even if you are replacing the 20 round fixed magazine to a 10 round fixed magazine you will be altering the rifle into something other than it's original state that it was created as. This new legislation if passed would be violating the second amendment and the recently supreme court ruling Heller vs. D.C. and McDonald vs. Chicago.

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

Now what you have to define is what is "in common use at the time." AKs with fixed magazines, AKs with 30 round clips, AKs with drums, or only handguns for self-defense? One of the guns that always seem to make it under the radar are .22s with tubular mags due to being hard to convert so the AKs with fixed capacities might make it.

 

[bigrebnc1861]

Now what you have to define is what is "in common use at the time." AKs with fixed magazines, AKs with 30 round clips, AKs with drums, or only handguns for self-defense? One of the guns that always seem to make it under the radar are .22s with tubular mags due to being hard to convert so the AKs with fixed capacities might make it.

The only thing I would like to address is this part of your reply, because you make a valid point about the tublar fed 22

Now what you have to define is what is "in common use at the time."

To bear arms is a military term, and is talking about military grade weapons.
Summary of U.S. v. Emerson

The court noted:

"Although, as we have held, the Second Amendment does
protect individual rights, that does not mean that those rights may
never be made subject to any limited, narrowly tailored specific
exceptions or restrictions for particular cases that are reasonable and
not inconsistent with the right of Americans generally to individually
keep and bear their private arms as historically understood in this
country."
Summary of U.S. v. Emerson
Historically understood, would be to keep and bear arms to bear arms being a military term and talking about military grade weapons

 

[S&W645]

The only thing I would like to address is this part of your reply, because you make a valid point about the tublar fed 22


To bear arms is a military term, and is talking about military grade weapons.
Summary of U.S. v. Emerson

The court noted:

"Although, as we have held, the Second Amendment does
protect individual rights, that does not mean that those rights may
never be made subject to any limited, narrowly tailored specific
exceptions or restrictions for particular cases that are reasonable and
not inconsistent with the right of Americans generally to individually
keep and bear their private arms as historically understood in this
country."
Summary of U.S. v. Emerson
Historically understood, would be to keep and bear arms to bear arms being a military term and talking about military grade weapons

At the time of this country's founding, the citizens owned the military grade weapons. They brought their weapons to the fight. In fact, the citizen soldiers had better weapons than the British soldiers. The Army was designed to be disbanded within 2 years of peace breaking out. That is written into the Constitution by limiting Army budgets to 2 years. The militia is not the National Guard even though the gov't would like ( like you ) to think so. The true militias scare the daylights out of the gov't because the gov't does not control them. Citizens do.

 

[bigrebnc1861]

At the time of this country's founding, the citizens owned the military grade weapons. They brought their weapons to the fight. In fact, the citizen soldiers had better weapons than the British soldiers. The Army was designed to be disbanded within 2 years of peace breaking out. That is written into the Constitution by limiting Army budgets to 2 years. The militia is not the National Guard even though the gov't would like ( like you ) to think so. The true militias scare the daylights out of the gov't because the gov't does not control them. Citizens do.

That is true because the framers did not say "A Militia well regulated by the Congress, being necessary to the security of a free State"

They said A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State; because a militia so regulated might not be separate enough from, or free enough from, the national government, in the sense of both physical and operational control, to preserve the "security of a free State."